New video of Bernie Sanders surfaces, warning against "astronomical" costs of 'Medicaid-for-All"

[Pugster]

A new video shows Bernie Sanders being very honest about the huge cost of a Single Payer system he called "Medicaid for All".
http://ntknetwork.com/flashback-sanders-if-we-do-medicaid-for-all-type-plan-it-would-bankrupt-the-nation/

Two days ago, Sanders saved the cost issue for a later date. I see why.

[JI7]

1. isn't that based on the current model ? doesn't his plan call for a different model

and he says there will be funding in a later bill.

[Pugster]

3. How are Medicaid for all and Medicare for all different concepts?

Medicaid and Medicare are the same thing but targeting different groups.

[eShirl]

7. Medicare relies more on copays and supplemental insurance paid by the covered person.

[wasupaloopa]

8. No they are not. Medicaid is insurance for poor women and children paid for by the government.

It reimburses providers 50% of costs. The other 50% comes from things like sales tax and vehicle license fees. States who adopted Medicaid expansion added poor adult males to the rolls of those eligible for Medicaid.

Medicare is paid for by payroll deductions for part A and by the insured for parts B and D. Also since Medicare does not cover 100% of costs, insured buy suplimental plans.

[eShirl]

9. Men can also qualify for Medicaid. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Yes, that's true... we're talking apples and oranges.

[JI7]

2. "unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that, he said.

he was mayor of burlington when he said that.

[Pugster]

4. Vermont tried Single Payer, and failed in 2011

If you're trying to say the 1987 comments did not apply to future dates, let me tell you that Vermont failed due to high costs 24 years after Bernie made a comment.

[JI7]

5. i'm not sure failed is the correct description . they didn't want to deal with the funding which is

still the issue now .

it's not like they actually tried to implement it and it didn't work leading to financial problems.

they never implemented a program because they ddin't want to deal with the funding.

that's the problem with Sander's bill right now. but he said he will deal with funding in another bill.

[Pugster]

6. The governor tried to implement it but couldn't because the costs were astronomical

The caption of the photo in the New England Journal of Medicine reads,

"Interview with Prof. John McDonough on Vermont’s attempt to implement a single-payer health care system — and why it failed."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1501050?query=TOC&utm_campaign=KHN%3A+Daily+Health+Policy+Report&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=17254971&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--hC-SV5xWnbS12zKBh6WxT4cvwWmnIPzz1sEfv_eYvDKifDWu514AjG_ZiBsQrCGK11crxQ8byykFH46XMi2XVMN4Hbg&_hsmi=17254971

[handmade34]

10. not true

"...Despite differing projections, all three studies showed that single payer was economically feasible... the Vermont plan was abandoned because of legitimate political considerations... the decision to withdraw the plan represented a failure of political will..."

people are afraid of change (even in Vermont) and simply can't understand something they consider so radical ??

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. Thank you for setting the record straight!

[handmade34]

11. Sanders was wrong

in not dealing directly with the cost of his proposal... but Vermont's attempt to create "single payer" was not a result of "astronomical costs"

[democrank]

12. This "new" Bernie Sanders video you're highlighting was from 1987.

Bernie was speaking about Medicaid back then, not Medicare.

Something has to be done about the cost and delivery of health care. It won't be easy, it won't be inexpensive, but something has to change. I favor a results-oriented national dialogue rather than folks carping from the sidelines.

Sanders and the other sponsors of this new bill are going to take their case to the people. I'm hoping that dialogue will produce results. It's certainly worth a try.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. I can't tell if some are purposely confusing the 2 programs to undercut Bernie or just ill-informed.

[clu]

18. both

[democrank]

23. Ditto

[LexVegas]

16. He was an inexperienced young man then. nt

[RandiFan1290]

17. You 'rec' your own post?

How adorable!

Welcome back to DU!

[UCmeNdc]

19. NTK network looks like a Russian propaganda site:

Just checking its background. Your site you picked to get this information from seems to exist just to muddy Democratic policy water.

[GaryCnf]

20. Ntk network is a right wing propaganda site

Read the TOS and please remove voluntarily.

From their twitter site:

NTK Network has the political, business, and world news that you need to know as it happens and without the liberal bias.

[melman]

24. Yet it's allowed to stay

I'd say it's unbelievable but it's really not. On this site anything goes if it bashes You Know Who.

[Pugster]

25. The video exists

Bernie videos are not right wing sites. The person who called costs astronomical is not a right-wing site. It is Bernie Sanders, who is a good man in a very liberal politician. we are analyzing his contention that the costs are astronomical.

[AJT]

26. Medicaid and Medicare are totally different.

Medicare recipients pay monthly premiums and co-pays and is self funded, Medicaid is paid for by all tax payers and is for poor people.

[demmiblue]

21. ...

[ucrdem]

22. That's revealing.

And given how medical cost increases have outstripped inflation it's even more true now than then.

[DemocraticWing]

27. They cut out the next part of the video about why single payer works.

Here's the deal, Medicare and Medicaid cost more per person now than they would under the Medicare for All plan. How is that possible, you say?! Well, a large single payer can negotiate reduced costs with providers, drug companies, etc.

What Bernie is doing is making a rhetorical point: if you expand Medicaid based on the current cost per person to everyone, yes that would be really expensive. But if you expand, the cost per person will GO DOWN!

In the next part of the interview this is explained. Instead, the right wing site cut it out and you posted it because you agree with them.

Anyway, you're either for single payer or for Trump.

[QC]

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