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Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:27 AM

Ok. I am going to state an obvious fact.

The idea that the promotion of raising taxes and what you get for that is govt provided healthcare is a winning political proposition is crazy.

We will lose every time. It will never see the light of day because democrats will never have a mjaority to enact it. We will continue to lose.

It is not that I personally don't want it. I do! So don't make it about me ok.

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Reply Ok. I am going to state an obvious fact. (Original post)
boston bean Sep 2017 OP
uponit7771 Sep 2017 #1
greymattermom Sep 2017 #3
uponit7771 Sep 2017 #19
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #13
wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #2
TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #4
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #14
TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #17
LexVegas Sep 2017 #5
boston bean Sep 2017 #6
LexVegas Sep 2017 #9
ucrdem Sep 2017 #7
TCJ70 Sep 2017 #8
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #15
stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #10
Lochloosa Sep 2017 #11
aikoaiko Sep 2017 #12
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #16
aikoaiko Sep 2017 #18
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20
aikoaiko Sep 2017 #21

Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:29 AM

1. I like McCaskills public option plan suggestion even better, easier to start and more public support

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:32 AM

3. Not taxes but a buy in

with medicare for all as one of the options on the exchanges. Folks may also need a supplement plan that would cover more, just like medicare recipients do. Medicare-E E for everyone.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:25 AM

19. yeap, seems like a win win PEC can get basic coverage and buy into other parts as needed

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:17 AM

13. I agree...I like it and her.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:30 AM

2. We would need a super majority in the House and Senate and a President willing to

 

sign it into law. Then we would need a Supreme Court that would protect it.

I don't see any of that happening in my life time.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:36 AM

4. It's a sales job, and a tough one. Too many people don't get how much they are already spending...

on health care, and any tax increase will largely be offset by those savings.

But, it's worse than that-- people are afraid of change. Most people covered now accept that coverage and even the ones who don't tend to fear that anything new can be worse.

If we got the marketing geniuses at Apple, Amazon, and Tesla behind Medicare for all, everyone would be drooling over it.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:17 AM

14. It is impossible and since Hillary was defeated, we have lost the courts.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:22 AM

17. Giving up? FDR "lost the courts" but found other ways...

The point is to fight harder and smarter.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:38 AM

5. Are there people that think this whole dog and pony show is going to go anywhere? nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:40 AM

6. It is a going to lead to losses in mid terms.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:53 AM

9. Trump is trying to kill the ACA and this is where the effort should be? nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:47 AM

7. If the ACA hadn't passed I could see the point.

But now? It's utterly irresponsible or worse as it erodes confidence in the one plan that's actually become law and furthermore has gained wide acceptance. And it seems Sanders himself admitted 30 years ago that his plan wouldn't work and since then costs have increased dramatically:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029595788

I honestly can think of no good reason for raising false hopes in this way at this time.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:49 AM

8. So we should never talk about it publicly...

...otherwise we'll lose seats every time. Got it. You're cool with the status quo and trying for anything better is futile and we lose every time.

That's a great message.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:19 AM

15. I am cool with defeating the GOP...and this is a way to lose to ...infinity.

If the status quo is the ACA which leads to universal coverage...yeah that is OK with me.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:54 AM

10. K&R

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:04 AM

11. And I thought a black man would never be elected President.

Period. Forget about in my lifetime.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:14 AM

12. It's good to have this conversation about health care.


yep.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:19 AM

16. No, it will cost us the midterms and probably the ACA.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:22 AM

18. I don't recall these concerns when John Conyers presented similar bills in the House...


....every year.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:33 AM

20. He was in the House and does it every year...but I was against it even then.

I think a bill that has no chance of passing is faux legislation. Also, the Democratic Party is going to get bashed with this...already a CBO score and that stupid video of Sen. Sanders...this could cost us 18 and 20...very bad timing. Also, what about those who depend on the ACA...you think they will be fine with nothing for years and years...many will die. This is a very foolish thing to do...and I have a question for you. If Conyers does this every year...including this year...why did Sen. Sanders propose his own bill at this time? What was the point?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:43 AM

21. Why did Sanders propose his own bill? To have the Senate join the fight.



We can still work to save and improve the ACA.

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