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Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:12 AM

So very tired of the message America can't have a health care system

like the rest of the civilized world can. We can't afford it or we will lose elections if we try . Maybe we need someone not in or no longer in politics to come up with solutions to point out exactly where the people's tax money is going. To point out the obscene waste and graft the military spends our money on . The billions spent on corporate welfare . The trillions given to our supposed allies who's leaders keep the bulk of that spending for themselves while pissing in America's corn flakes every chance they get. Billions spent on grants to universities to research and develop drugs and medical devices only to have drug corporations take that and sell it back to us at astronomical prices . The money is fucking there to do healthcare but the desire is not because too many feathers will get ruffled . Medicare was designed to morph into a national healthcare system but money and influence derailed that so the insurance industry could get in on it somehow that's why only 80% is covered and you have to spend even more on drug coverage. People need to know these things and maybe if they did more would demand what they deserve.

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Reply So very tired of the message America can't have a health care system (Original post)
kacekwl Sep 2017 OP
dembotoz Sep 2017 #1
TCJ70 Sep 2017 #2
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #3
kacekwl Sep 2017 #4

Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:21 AM

1. yep

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:24 AM

2. The whole idea that we should talk about things or we'll lose seats is ridiculous...

...what do people who believe that expect? That we'll slip it into something else in the dead of night? Pushing the conversation is a good move right now. Part of that conversation involves prioritizing how our tax dollars are spent. Being realistic about the fact that while taxes aren't going to go away, deciding how that many is used is totally fluid.

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Response to kacekwl (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:28 AM

3. My response to those who fret about socialism

saying that care under socialized medicine is not good, you have to wait for elective surgeries, etc. etc. is to wave the flag and say to them "Sure, but this is the United States! Do you think we couldn't do it better than anybody else? We have the know-how to fix all those problems!"

BTW I remember when Medicare was being proposed and you should have seen the pearl-clutching over "socialized medicine" back then. Doctors were soiling their drawers over the possible drop in income--and now doctors can pretty much print money on Medicare.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:35 AM

4. Not to mention the fraud in billing Medicare.

Not so much by users but by providers.

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