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Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:40 PM

OK, every day I am asked to serve on a jury about:

The last Democratic primary. Every day. I have been participating but wonder how long we are going to spend time on this??

I am a big fan of realizing that you cannot go back and change what happened, so it is best to move forward.

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Reply OK, every day I am asked to serve on a jury about: (Original post)
TNNurse Sep 2017 OP
femmocrat Sep 2017 #1
sagesnow Sep 2017 #21
left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #45
Shrike47 Sep 2017 #2
Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #36
padfun Sep 2017 #43
renate Sep 2017 #67
Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #68
Warpy Sep 2017 #3
procon Sep 2017 #10
Warpy Sep 2017 #12
NCjack Sep 2017 #4
MFM008 Sep 2017 #5
Stuart G Sep 2017 #29
TNNurse Sep 2017 #6
Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #7
berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #8
PoiBoy Sep 2017 #22
berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #24
PoiBoy Sep 2017 #27
joet67 Sep 2017 #9
Leith Sep 2017 #11
A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2017 #13
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64
7wo7rees Sep 2017 #14
trof Sep 2017 #15
7wo7rees Sep 2017 #19
DownriverDem Sep 2017 #16
TNNurse Sep 2017 #23
Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #41
Stonepounder Sep 2017 #17
Javaman Sep 2017 #18
moda253 Sep 2017 #20
LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #42
JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #25
Leith Sep 2017 #28
JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #31
Demit Sep 2017 #52
Justice Sep 2017 #37
JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #38
Justice Sep 2017 #40
Crunchy Frog Sep 2017 #26
kstewart33 Sep 2017 #32
Justice Sep 2017 #39
LisaM Sep 2017 #30
Trust Buster Sep 2017 #33
Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #34
get the red out Sep 2017 #35
juxtaposed Sep 2017 #44
Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #46
OldHippieChick Sep 2017 #51
emulatorloo Sep 2017 #47
left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #48
ck4829 Sep 2017 #50
ck4829 Sep 2017 #49
alittlelark Sep 2017 #53
ZX86 Sep 2017 #54
applegrove Sep 2017 #55
kentuck Sep 2017 #56
treestar Sep 2017 #57
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58
yardwork Sep 2017 #59
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61
yardwork Sep 2017 #62
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63
yardwork Sep 2017 #65
Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66
aikoaiko Sep 2017 #60

Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:43 PM

1. Same here. It's tiresome.

Sometimes I don't feel like reading through all the bickering, so I just opt out.

Like Elsa said, "Let it go" already! 2016 is not coming back for a re-do.

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:50 PM

21. The Trash Can feature is your friend

If you don't want to see Bernie or Hillary threads, go to My Account and open the Trash can thread. Then put in all variations of Bernie, Hlllary, BERNIE, CLINTON, and all possible variations in the entry fields. Also put in Bernie, or Hillary with the comma after it or some posts will get through. Blocking these repetitive posts saves a lot of needless irritation.

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:30 PM

45. Thank you !

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:43 PM

2. Oh god, me too. It is so tiresome.

Guys, we're on the same side. Let's move on.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:16 PM

36. I'm not sure that is true anymore

 

There is a schism here and it's growing. The Republicans have their own too. Our stupid political dichotomy is breaking down.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:25 PM

43. I agree.

There are really about six political factions in this country.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 01:25 PM

67. I suspect that it's more Russian interference

It probably was at the time, and it's probably still true, IMHO.

Whose purposes does it suit for Democrats to be fighting amongst themselves, this long after an election?

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Response to renate (Reply #67)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 07:11 PM

68. Is it Russian interference in every other country on earth?

 

Most Western countries have explicit political spectrums from with a communist party on one end and an ethno-nationalist fascist party on the other with half a dozen or more in-between.

The coalition within approach in the United States has been slowly eroding since the mid-sixties, but we're at the point now that Democrats and Republicans alike are willing to attack the character of legitimacy of their fellow Democrats and Republicans.

That is what terrifies me about 2020, since I am pretty sure our primaries will consist of Booker supporters accusing Gillibrand supporters of being white nationalists, Gillibrand supporters accusing Booker supporters of being misogynists and "Booker Bros" as all the while the leftists accuse both of them of being Mitt Romney.

It is going to be awesome.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:45 PM

3. Cultists on both sides just can't let it go

and it's annoying as hell, especially when you know damned full well it's something picked up from trolls on Farcebook and Twitter. If it's not a cherrypicked sentence from Clinton's book, it's something Sanders said, taken out of context.

I'm as sick of it as you are. I trash threads but then they pop up as jury requests.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:15 PM

10. Oh noes... not the "both sides" equivocation. nt

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Response to procon (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:26 PM

12. I see it but it does look worse on one side

especially over the last week with dueling cherrypicked quotes.

I'm sick of this shit. Neither are plaster saints and neither are saviors.

Knock it off, already.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:53 PM

4. Same here. Every dang day. I guess it will continue until DU is pulled apart.

DEMs have two critical elections coming up. Folks, it's past the time to focus on the future.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:01 PM

5. Me 2

It's boring.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:04 PM

29. I love your note.....Me 2...guess what?...every day..Me 2

and you are correct..........It's boring.........................thank you...

Stuart

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:04 PM

6. If we all opt out, will something happen to stop it???

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:07 PM

7. And people wonder why the South won't let go of the Civil War.

It must be human nature.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:12 PM

8. ALERTED! Meta and arguing about the last primary!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:51 PM

22. I like the graphic in your sig line...

your "illegitimate" graphic... may I borrow it..?





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Response to PoiBoy (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:53 PM

24. Of course, I borrowed it from someone else here.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:58 PM

27. Well then...

...thanks to you and the originator...!!!








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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:14 PM

9. Apparently until the next one. nt

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:22 PM

11. Same Here

I won't even open most of them. I might read a couple posts, then shut it down in disgust.

The reason we here in this thread are getting jury requests is because we refuse to post in those threads. It's nice to see which other posters are sick of the divisive bickering.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:34 PM

13. And have any "refighting primary" OPs been removed?

Juries seem to pretty consistently say theyre a-ok.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:10 AM

64. most of the one's I have seen are not re-fighting the primary...now it is about Hillary's book

mostly.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:05 PM

14. Just say no. Walk away. Peaceful. Choose peace.😘

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Response to 7wo7rees (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:13 PM

15. 'At's what I do.

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Response to trof (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:43 PM

19. There you go. 🤗

Nope, not going to do it, not going there,
"... wouldn't be prudent..."
😎

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:32 PM

16. Actually

it's best to learn from what happened. And you can't learn if you don't take a look back.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:51 PM

23. I appreciate your point.

Is there really anything to learn? We know there were many many factors. I have not seen any new information in a very long time.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:19 PM

41. We aren't doing that

 

One side is insisting their eccentric candidate would have won and the other side is accusing them of misogyny among other things.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:38 PM

17. What really gets to me is that if I open another instance of DU and look at all the posts

there is all this back and forth that gets pretty nasty, and then 30-40 replies down someone says something that is pretty take compared to the posts above and that's the one that gets alerted. Go figure.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:41 PM

18. it's all part of the circular firing squad crew here on DU.

the past sucks, but it's the past and it's time to look ahead and unfuck this situation, but alas, some people think that by picking at the scab it won't leave a scar.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:45 PM

20. If we would just follow the rules about not attacking democrats I think we'd be fine.

 

But we have to make special rules for people that aren't democrats so things get sticky.

Make the rules simple and enforce them.

Independents are not democrats. By definition.

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Response to moda253 (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:21 PM

42. No, that is the problem.

the rule about not attacking Democrats is being used to justify attacking someone who is a DIABN (Democrat in all but name), even though it is verboten to do the same to even those few DINOs that vote with Republicans.

That's where it gets "sticky".

The rules SHOULD be changed to include Bernie Sanders, who votes with Democrats, shares their values, and runs as a Democrat. But I fear that would be met with fire, fury the likes of which has never seen before on DU. But it would solve a lot of the stickiness.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:57 PM

25. just start voting to hide. If everyone had every postprimary comment hidden, then it would stop.

 

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Response to JoeStuckInOH (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:00 PM

28. That's What I Do

If it is hidable.

A lot of them are pretty tame.

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Response to Leith (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:06 PM

31. That's you're problem. If it's a post primary squablle... HIDE. No thought given.

 

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Response to JoeStuckInOH (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:51 PM

52. No thought given? That's your advice?

 

It's terrible advice. Good grief.

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Response to JoeStuckInOH (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:16 PM

37. you weren't here pre-primary.

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Response to Justice (Reply #37)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:18 PM

38. Are you claiming I don't see any arguments refighting the primaries? they're evywhere. now.

 

it's quite annoying, not unifying, and counterproductive.

just because I wasn't posting doesn't mean I haven't been reading. I've been reading DU for a long long time. Used to have an account like forever ago. during the bush years when the format of DU was quite different.

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Response to JoeStuckInOH (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:19 PM

40. I stated. I claimed nothing.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:58 PM

26. I wish that they would reopen GDP

And keep those threads segregated from the rest of DU.

I've mostly not been engaging here at all lately, as it feels so toxic.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:06 PM

32. That's a great idea, CF.

Create a section for Hillary haters and Bernie haters to post all they want. As long as we don't have to read it.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:18 PM

39. I find GD just overly bloated with everything from cartoons to Russia to everyday stuff. Too broad


Items fall off page 1 and then someone posts same items. Tiresome.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:04 PM

30. Yes, me too, and thanks for giving me a chance to point out....

TALKING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON is not re-fighting the primaries.

In fact, talking about her campaign in the GE is post-primary anyway, so I don't know why this is happening. A lot of us are inspired by Hillary Clinton and it should be perfectly acceptable to 1) discuss that; and 2) talk about forces in the GE (including the level of enthusiasm her primary rivals brought to the table) that worked against her victory.

Talking about voter suppression in the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

Talking about Russian interference in the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

Talking about Facebook bots unleashed during the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

Talking about media collusion with normalizing Trump in the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

I've seen a lot of bitterness at DU over the years, but this beats all and I don't know if there are trolls stirring up the pot or if it's people who simply cannot endure the fact that Hillary was our candidate, but I think she would have been an absolutely stellar president and I'm perfectly willing to take on people who don't agree, and that doesn't mean I'm re-fighting the primary, so people just need to quit alerting.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:07 PM

33. Then DU should stop the frivolous alerts.

 

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:13 PM

34. I think it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

 

To avoid offending any one person I am considering just deleting Facebook entirely. It is worse still there.

We're going to be re-fighting the 2016 primaries and variations on Trumpism for a generation to come, it is going to suck.

My fear for 2018 and 2020 is that our campaigns will get bogged down in score settling and grudges. Even at the State level in California I see Bernie and Hillary supporters being ostracized in certain corners because of hurt feelings over 2016.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:14 PM

35. We must be on the same juries

I won't even CLICK on a primary re-hash thread, let alone post.

I am a YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT. And I hate the Republican Party, not ours.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:25 PM

44. ditto!

 

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:33 PM

46. Boris & Natasha love it when the Moose and Squirrel fight! n/t.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:43 PM

51. Well said

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:33 PM

47. Threads about analysizing GE are not about the Primary. Nor is discussing current events.

Primary.

I get called to jury on these threads to that have been alerted on as 'refighting the primary'

Some threads are refighting the primary, some aren't.

I think lots of stuff probably gets alerted as "refighting the primary" where the alterer may have genuinely misunderstood the topic.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:36 PM

48. Like a dog gnawing on a bone ...

... some just won't let go of 2016.

I think it was yesterday when I posted I was tired of these daily attacks,
and one response told me that I should leave DU.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #48)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:41 PM

50. "just leave", a standard thought terminating cliche. That's kind of sad.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:41 PM

49. K&R

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:55 PM

53. Same thing - sometimes twice a day....

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:52 PM

54. I see a certain obsession with the political process itself.

Some here are absolutely outraged that their favorite candidate(s) will have to face challengers from within the party, competitors from opposition and third parties, and criticism from celebrity activists. This is part of the process. It's a given when you run for office there will be people who disagree with you and be very vocal about it.

The proper response to these situations are issue based reasons why our ideas and policy goals are better for the American public. Responses like, "He's not even a Democrat" and "She helped Trump get elected" will not inspire votes for Democrats. Average Americans have real world concerns like the cost of health care, student loan debt, and stagnant wages. I never hear people in the real world tell me their top concern is the level of party loyalty of any particular candidate or who some washed up celebrity voted for in the last election.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:14 AM

55. Give it a few weeks. Hillary's book has just come out. Surely we want to

hash it out for a month. Then we will not have an open wound as a wedge within ourselves come 2018.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:26 AM

56. What is the best way to "move forward"?

united or divided?

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:28 AM

57. Hillary and Bernie stay in the news

so it is not entirely about the last primary.

It's still a fear that it could affect future elections. The concept is still there, let's primary this or that Democrat or going on against potential future Democratic presidential candidates already on grounds of not pure enough.

The Russians haven't stopped and stepped aside. They are going to be keep supporting these types of attitudes.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:03 AM

58. Me too...and most of the time...it is an alert that really has nothing to do with the primary.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:21 AM

59. I vote to hide every single one of them.

The board is being overtaken again by trolls and know-nothings whose intent is to disrupt. It's a game for them.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #59)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:56 AM

61. I look at the posts and use the rules...many are discussing the 16 general or the

18/20 elections...every time you serve on a jury, you agree to follow TOS. I take this responsibility seriously and will hide posts even ones I agree with if it violates the rules. I believe if folks are not willing to do that, they should not agree to sit on juries.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #61)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:02 AM

62. Where did I say that I don't follow the TOS?

The OP is about refighting the primary. Posts about GE and current events are fine.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #62)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:07 AM

63. I know because I serve on juries too that not all of them are related to the primary and unless they

are...one can't vote for a hide if that is a criteria....you said you vote to hide all of them? I try to be completely impartial and play fair. I am not saying you do. It was the 'hide all' that caught my attention.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #63)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:13 PM

65. Please reread the OP and then reread my response.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #65)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:15 PM

66. I saw your response that you follow TOS...I accept that.

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Response to TNNurse (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:49 AM

60. Yes, unfortunately too many DUers are using "current events" or other Democratic primaries as proxy


...2016 primary battles. Virtually any topic can become a proxy battle.

I think a lot of folks with resentments are actually resisting the continuation of the primary wars but it's easy to succumb to to fire back when poked. At least that's my problem.

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