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RandySF

(58,503 posts)
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:36 PM Sep 2017

U.S. Army: Brown people need not apply.

U.S. Army recruiters have abruptly canceled enlistment contracts for hundreds of foreign-born military recruits since last week, upending their lives and potentially exposing many to deportation, according to several affected recruits and former military officials familiar with their situation.

Many of these enlistees have waited years to join a troubled immigration recruitment program designed to attract highly skilled immigrants into the service in exchange for fast-track citizenship.

Now recruits and experts say that recruiters are shedding their contracts to free themselves from an onerous enlistment process, which includes extensive background investigations, to focus on individuals who can more quickly enlist and thus satisfy strict recruitment targets.

Margaret Stock, a retired Army officer who led creation of the immigration recruitment program, told The Washington Post that she has received dozens of frantic messages from recruits this week, with many more reporting similar action in Facebook groups. She said hundreds could be affected.



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-army-kills-contracts-for-hundreds-of-immigrant-recruits-some-face-deportation/ar-AArXT14?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

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Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
1. The dimensions of the Trump disaster just keep coming.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:47 PM
Sep 2017

We knew it was going to be bloody awful, but I have to admit I'm staggered by how many different ways he manages to be bad. The sheer creativity is terrifying.

msongs

(67,361 posts)
2. US military will do what trump tells it to do. just like the german military did what it was
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 10:47 PM
Sep 2017

told back in the old days. all the generals need are assurances their power will be maintained then they will sell out millions of people

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. Hence, their current actions.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:46 PM
Sep 2017

Hence, their current actions, regardless of the lack of objective evidence to support your bumper sticker as something other than what it is..

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. Where else in America do POC earn as much as whites,
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:20 PM
Sep 2017

are the bosses of whites, have exactly the same opportunities as whites? There are POC and women who are generals, admirals, who command armies and fleets.

Those those facts cannot be denied.

 

clu

(494 posts)
5. don cheto
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:01 AM
Sep 2017

couldn't serve them up hotter himself

edit - his base would support the changes at face value but I wonder how many recently deployed have been processed through that type of program

edit edit edit - maybe I should start reading the links - sorry guys. here is what I took away



Stock said a recruiter told her there was pressure from the recruiting command to release foreign-born recruits, with one directive suggesting they had until Sept. 14 to cut them loose without counting against their recruiting targets, an accounting quirk known as “loss forgiveness.”

The recruiter told Stock that the Army Reserve is struggling to meet its numbers before the fiscal year closes Sept. 30 and that canceling on resource-intensive recruits is attractive to some recruiters, she said.

On Friday, the Pentagon denied ordering a mass cancellation of immigrant recruit contracts and said there were no incentives to do so. Officials said that recent directives to recruiters were meant to reiterate that immigrant recruits must be separated within two years of enlistment unless they “opt in” for an additional year.

But some recruits among half a dozen interviewed for this article said they were not approaching that two-year limit when their contracts were canceled, sowing confusion about the reason they were cut loose. The Pentagon declined to address whether messages to recruiters contained language that could have been misinterpreted.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
6. I have a friend who is an Army Reserve recruiter.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 05:43 AM
Sep 2017

I'll be seeing her later today and will ask her about this.

I can't believe that any recruits in a DEP stays have been kept around 2 years to begin with. That se ma crazy to me, we rarely saw any more than 3-4 months.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
8. I finally talked to my friend who is a recruiter about this
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:40 PM
Sep 2017

She said the entire program has been a disaster.

She said of 5 contracts she has written under the program one has actually made it in. And that one is now a US Citizen, my friend went to her basic training graduation where they also did the citizenship ceremony.

Evidently the high failure rate she is experiencing is the same across the board for all recruiting stations, and on top of that it takes about 5 times the paperwork and effort. So for that reason recruiters hate doing them. She said some of the more complex enlistments they get credit for more than one enlistment toward their mission they must meet every month, but they didn't for these. So if you have to enlist 10 new recruits to make your mission and you only have so many hours a day focusing on cases that are a lot easier is the natural path.

The failure rate stems mostly from the inability of the applicants to provide adequate documentation that passes the required checks. Most showed up in this country without any of identity documents and that presents a huge issue- even US born citizens enlisting must have certified copies of birth certificates and other documents.

On top of that a huge monkey wrench is that evidently immigration activists have been telling the people applying that they are eligible to be sworn as citizens the day after they sign a contract and swear the first oath, before they ever go to basic training. And while there is disagreement on the outside of the DOD if they are the DOD is clear that they won't help anyone get sworn until they finish basic- and they do the ceremony at the basic training graduation.

But a few of the activists have managed to get some of these folks sworn in as citizens before shipping to basic training somehow by other officials. Word has spread, and now many are demanding the recruiters help them with that (not the recruiters job) or are intentionally sandbagging the process by being slow to do what is needed trying to get sworn in elsewhere while they stay in limbo status as contacted to join but not yet shipped to basic training. She said others appear to be sandbagging trying to delay shipping for basic to see what other options come up, because as long as they are in the limbo of being contracted and not shipped they are supposed to be protected from immigration action, and that some immigration activists has been advising some of them to do just that to delay shipping as long as possible to see if other options become available.

The problem is that even though you take the oath when you contract you really are not enlisted yet and you have no obligation, so you can back out anytime until you swear the oath a second time when you ship to basic training. So if they get sworn in as citizens based just on an enlistment contract before basic training they can then just say they don't want to join anymore, and you can't undo the citizenship.

On top of all that in 2016 they discovered many people in the program had used forged documents to enlist that were not caught and they suspended all further action until they could get a better hand on how to properly do checks and ensure people were not using faked documentation.

So basically it's been a huge mess. So she said many of the recruiters are at their wits end and tired of spending so much effort on this and getting beat up for not meeting mission, so when given a chance many are terminating contracts if they applicant gives them cause. She said she has one still open and that guy is sincerely doing anything and everything needed and she is working with him, but she had another that was missing appointments, taking weeks or longer to produce documentation, cancelled two appointments for MEPs and she got tired to him and cancelled his contract the last time he no-showed for an appointment.

The system was created without any idea how to handle people with no proper identification documents or history, and that delays things. Then some people used forged documents causing the whole system to be halted while they tried to straighten it out. Then bad information was given to applicants about when they were eligible for citizenship and some are being advised to game the system. And the recruiters have been expected to deal with the mess and the huge amount of work required for these applicants without any reduction in their normal workload or any extra credit for successfully enlisting any of these applicants so the recruiters have no incentives to go the many extr miles required, especially when it's either detracting from them making mission that month because they spend so much time and effort on cases that have very low rates of success.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
11. The problem appears to be that the verification/documentation aspect should be handled by
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:28 PM
Sep 2017

another agency that would have the authority to verify people for any job, military or not. I doubt Trump would help get it going, but in the future, why not put more reliance on school records, interviews with the person's teachers, doctors etc. Obviously, official identity records won't be available in many cases.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
12. That would be ideal
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 06:17 PM
Sep 2017

But logistically it's a huge task.

When you think out the amount of legwork it takes, then having to do it in every community, that's a huge and widespread network of people.

It would be equivalent to what the OPM has to have to do security clearances, except the people doing this have a lot less to work with from the start.

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