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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:07 PM Sep 2017

How is Medicare-For-All politically feasible right now?

Look, I want healthcare as a right and not a privilege also but unless there is a big political shift in the Executive and Legislative Branches it simply isn't going to happen at the Federal level.

Meanwhile the ACA is being hallowed out and sabotaged.

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Nanjeanne

(4,950 posts)
1. It isn't. But does that mean we shouldn't be inspired to try. Getting people
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:27 PM
Sep 2017

excited about possibilities and engaged in discussion is how we make change happen. Taking back the narrative is how we get people to think differently about what they want their money spent on. The Democrats should have learned something from the Republicans by now. They thought long term. They engaged in simple messaging and framed the arguments. They have been hitting people over the head with the same dumb arguments for so long that many people assume things like lower taxes increases jobs, or billionaires are automatically job creators, or small farms will suffer if the "inheritance" tax isn't repealed.

If we only try for things we can get accomplished we can sit on our asses until we have majorities. But unfortunately I can't see how we get majorities if we don't give people something to aspire to by voting for bold thinking Democrats.

Was giving women the right to vote an easy path? Was the passing of the Civil Rights Act an easily achievable policy? Did LBJ say, hey Medicare is going to be a piece of cake -- let's do it now? We have to start educating people about what the government can do to make people's lives better - not falling into the Republicans narrative of government bad - feee market good. Why not be aspirational and change the narrative? Why not start now so maybe we win some victories in 2018 and 2020? For heavens sake, Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House in the late 1970s. Reagan took them down in 1981. Just think if we had actually done something about solar for this country more than 30 years ago. Might be a different place now.

Personally I just don't get the idea that we can't get discussion going about big ideas because they probably won't pass this year. It that's me. Others obviously think otherwise.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
3. We couldn't even get a public option
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:39 PM
Sep 2017

Under a way more politically favorable climate.

We can talk about single-payer that's fine but that's all that's gonna happen before 2020 and who knows even then.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
2. It isn't.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:33 PM
Sep 2017

I hope we do not lose sight of the real goal, which must be to regain control of our government. 2018 and 2020 are looming. If we become distracted by unfeasible things, we may forget what we need to do.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
6. Is it feasable that the Dems can put up bills to protect the ACA? Not in 2018 or 2020 but right now?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:54 PM
Sep 2017

The GOP isn't going to give up in their attemps to destroy it.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
8. It is almost impossible for a Democrat
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:03 PM
Sep 2017

to have any bill come to a vote in either house right now.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
13. How is talking about a Medicare for All bill a distraction and what does it distract from?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:58 PM
Sep 2017

I'm sure our Democratic leaders aren't distracted, many have signed on to it. We here on DU are rather smart and none of us will forget to contact our Reps and Senators. The GOP vote is in 2 weeks and there will be many reminders for us to all make our voices heard. So what exactly is it that the discussion that Bernie has started with his bill is distracting us from?

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
4. So if the dems had not put up a single payer bill, the GOP wouldn't have tried to repeal the ACA?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:39 PM
Sep 2017

I don't understand all the hand wringing over this. The dems should say, "We'd like to fix the ACA, but the GOP has locked us out of the process. We want health care for all, while they are taking it away."




Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
14. They would have tried...but the bill provided them cover and helped them in my
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:52 PM
Sep 2017

opinion...it also says...the ACA isn't good enough even for Democrats...not good when you are trying to save the ACA.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
5. If Medicare-For-All is talked about and more and more people realize it's the way to go
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:51 PM
Sep 2017

how does that prevent the GOP from hallowing out and sabotaging the ACA like they have since the day it was created ? The Dems can spend every minute of every day putting up bill after bill to protect it. In the end will the GOP and Trump pass any of those bills? I think we know the answer to that.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
7. It's not.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 04:04 PM
Sep 2017

That said our talking points should be in that direction as republicans continue to fight for their failed capitalist approach.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
10. Medicare for all is getting quite a bit of airplay
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:17 PM
Sep 2017

That's good but I'd like to see at least equal attention given to educating the public on the way Repubs are sabotaging the ACA and what can be done to stop it.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
15. And that is exactly why it was a bad idea...it is getting talked about instead of the ACA and
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:54 PM
Sep 2017

Medicaid repeal...we are looking at block grants not just taking away the expansion but taking own Medicaid for good.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
11. I want universal healthcare
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:18 PM
Sep 2017

Don't know the best way to provide it.

But we need to protect the ACA now!

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
16. I feel the same way...we can let our senators know we want the ACA and there will be hell to
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:54 PM
Sep 2017

pay if we don't get it.

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