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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:32 AM Sep 2017

Texas church forbid Harvey-volunteer from helping victims because she's jewish.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/texas-church-blocked-volunteer-from-helping-hurricane-harvey-victims-because-she-is-a-jewish-lesbian/

“I thought they wanted to talk to me about further volunteer efforts,” Hix said. “I was so unprepared for the conversation that ensued.”

In a post on her Facebook page, the 64-year-old combat veteran recalls how the pastor called her into his office to question why she said “Shalom” after her prayers. When she told him that she was Jewish, he asked her to leave and to not return to the church.

“I asked ‘So if I were a liar with an evil heart, and I told you what you want to hear, that I am a Christian, I would be allowed to continue to contribute to those less fortunate than I?’ I was told, ‘Yes,” Hix said.

Once she got home, Hix told the magazine she called the church to complain about the pastor and was invited back in. But when she arrived, she was confronted by the pastor again about “rumors” of her sexual orientation.

According to Hix, the pastor said that he ‘can’t let you represent our church, as being a Lesbian is a sin’.




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If anybody asks you, in what situations lies are acceptable to a deeply religious Christian...
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Texas church forbid Harvey-volunteer from helping victims because she's jewish. (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2017 OP
We've moved from the ethical question "is it OK to lie to a Nazi to save lives" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #1
I believe it was more because she is a lesbian, but I could be wrong. Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #2
As I get ready for church today a story like this makes me ponder another cup of coffee dembotoz Sep 2017 #3
And that's another reason we should not give federal money to churches. Baitball Blogger Sep 2017 #4
And yet the Mike Pences of the US will it is exactly why. Ilsa Sep 2017 #6
Jerry Falwell used to say that "God doesn't listen to the prayers of Jews"! George II Sep 2017 #5
Ironic, isn't it , that Jesus lived and died a Jew? keithbvadu2 Sep 2017 #11
Meantime, don the con is babbling about mountain grammy Sep 2017 #7
Pastor Ron Hindt dalton99a Sep 2017 #8
The hour of worship is the most SEGREGATED HOUR of the week in the USA. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #9
Thank you, that is very astute. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #13
I heartily agree with everything you have said. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #15
The most unattractive feature of Christians is... perdita9 Sep 2017 #10
If there was a God, a photo would surface of the pastor screwing a goat. Vinca Sep 2017 #12
As a Christian, I wish I could madashelltoo Sep 2017 #14
Same mindset as Republicans.... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #22
Christ would condemn this "pastor" for being both a self-righteous stone-thrower and WinkyDink Sep 2017 #16
What I can't figure out is that jerks like this guy are more Old Testament than Jewish catbyte Sep 2017 #17
Thanks - great quote! KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #23
She took a week off from work and donated $500 worth of food too n/t TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #18
There must be thousands of religious establishments in the Houston area struggle4progress Sep 2017 #19
Once again, Gandhi's quote seems appropriate stevenleser Sep 2017 #20
That's not a great way to get converts. nt oasis Sep 2017 #21

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
1. We've moved from the ethical question "is it OK to lie to a Nazi to save lives"
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:41 AM
Sep 2017

to "is it OK to lie to a church to save lives?"

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
3. As I get ready for church today a story like this makes me ponder another cup of coffee
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:28 AM
Sep 2017

I will still go cause my church is not like this

Comfort??? In just as some Dems are assholes so are some pastors

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
6. And yet the Mike Pences of the US will it is exactly why.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:56 AM
Sep 2017

They really like promoting judgment of others, for anything, even characteristics you are born with. Disabled? God must hate you. Poor? God is punishing you.

It's a wonder these so-called called houses of God lift a finger to help anyone.

dalton99a

(81,468 posts)
8. Pastor Ron Hindt
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:57 AM
Sep 2017
https://www.calvaryh.org/index.php/know/pastor-ron.html

Ron Hindt is the Senior Pastor at Calvary Houston. Born and raised in southern California, he spent several years as a rock musician in the Hollywood/LA area. In 1980, Pastor Ron joined Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa under Pastor Chuck Smith. He later served as an assistant pastor at Calvary Chapel Pacific Hills, California for several years.

Pastor Ron moved to Houston and founded Calvary Houston in 1991. What started as a small home fellowship, focused on contemporary worship and expositional teaching of the Bible, now serves thousands of people each week. The vision of Calvary Houston is to Worship the Lord, Win the Lost, Disciple the Saints, and Send the Equipped. He and his wife, Yani, have a blended family with three grown children, two adopted children together, and two grandchildren.

The ministry of Calvary Houston has expanded to include daily radio broadcasts of Pastor Ron’s unique, expositional style of teaching. These half-hour broadcasts known as “Larger Than Life,” are aired daily throughout the United States.


Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
9. The hour of worship is the most SEGREGATED HOUR of the week in the USA.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:59 AM
Sep 2017

It shows you how effective religion is at enforcing in-group / out-group boundaries. Many churches / temples / mosques are the exceptions, but the net effect is counter to the avowed goals of religion.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
13. Thank you, that is very astute.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:50 AM
Sep 2017

I've held for many years that churches rob communities of healthy social energy that should go into general community efforts involving ALL members, religious or not. We should have more friendly open-to-all community centers and fewer churches, IMO.

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
10. The most unattractive feature of Christians is...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:17 AM
Sep 2017

...that they think they should be immune from criticism, even when they do reprehensible things.

This drove me crazy before I became an atheist. Our treasurer stole over $300,000 from the church and half of the members said what was important is that we all 'forgive' her. It was a close vote to even get the police involved in her crime.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
12. If there was a God, a photo would surface of the pastor screwing a goat.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:50 AM
Sep 2017

I'm not saying he screws goats, but you never know. He speculates about the woman's sexual orientation so we can speculate about his.

madashelltoo

(1,698 posts)
14. As a Christian, I wish I could
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 AM
Sep 2017

Embrace this woman and apologize for the ignorance of this pastor and any other who acts this way. The ills of the world will never heal as long as some keep ripping the wounds open. How they always manage to go to homosexuality as the dominating sin when the Bible has lots of other abominations has always baffled me.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
22. Same mindset as Republicans....
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:20 PM
Sep 2017

and one of the reasons the R-party co-opted the Christian church years ago.

Consider the similar emotional dependencies:

1. Highly authoritative structures: God > Pastor > Dad & Mom > Ronald Reagan > Husband/wife > Boss at work, etc.. They can't live without that type structure.

2. Must have numerous "bad guys" to look down on and criticize: The poor, non-Christians, women, LGBT folks, foreigners, liberals, etc. This process allows them to look "better than" the other.

3. Clannish behavior: Excluding outsiders and even severely criticizing other denominations of Christianity (where I was raised as a Baptist, the Methodist and Presbyterians were all horribly astray, and Catholics were some sort of aliens).

4. Believing they have direct knowledge of their god: Saying they know their god wants this or that, does not want certain things, and telling others what that god wants them to do or not do, AND that certain people are rewarded with "blessings ($$$)" for compliant deeds.

That list can go on and on.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
16. Christ would condemn this "pastor" for being both a self-righteous stone-thrower and
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 10:20 AM
Sep 2017

also denying her help to those in need.

I don't know, but as a (lapsed, admittedly) Catholic I often wonder about other branches of Christianity and whether they teach The Sermon on the Mount.

catbyte

(34,376 posts)
17. What I can't figure out is that jerks like this guy are more Old Testament than Jewish
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 10:53 AM
Sep 2017

people. Everything they really get off on seems to come from the OT and Leviticus in particular, cherry picked as it is, then they skip right over the whole Sermon on the Mount, Jesus-said-love-your-enemies and help-the-poor and goes right to Revelations and back to Hellfire & Damnation. Ugh.

Of course, I got kicked out of Sunday School for asking if God made everything, then who made God & the teacher got frustrated when I didn't buy her "He was just always here" explanation. She very nicely suggested I'd have a better time elsewhere, haha.

Anne Lamott said it best: "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people that you do."

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
23. Thanks - great quote!
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:38 PM
Sep 2017

Oddly enough, the authorities in the Jewish faith are now starting to question the authenticity of the Old Testament, based on their many years of archaeological research. As I understand it, they're essentially admitting it's mostly myth.

Sort of puts a lot of modern Biblical interpretation as 'God's Law' flat on the ground.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
19. There must be thousands of religious establishments in the Houston area
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:45 AM
Sep 2017

and a number must be LGBT-friendly

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. Once again, Gandhi's quote seems appropriate
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:56 AM
Sep 2017

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Obviously, many Christians are not like this, but this pastor...

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