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(10,128 posts)the Democrats. It's a good sign. If Sanders wants to be a leader in the Democratic Party he needs to be more in tune with the people he wants to lead.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)All of them did - Sanders, Warren, Harris etc. Saving ACA is priority one.
Did anyone bother to listen that day?
tymorial
(3,433 posts)While also creating distraction for the GOP as they attempt to again repeal the ACA?
The only logic to this that I can even remotely see is this bill generates tremendous excitement among the population which puts pressure on Congress to act. Even though this bill will not happen, Republicans could feel pressure enough that it forces them to compromise by dropping the repeal action. I suppose this is possible but it feels too much of a gamble and Sanders has been pressing Medicare for All for a very long time, long before we learned Trump was president.
Words mean less than action.
Glamrock
(11,787 posts)so many beloved Democratic senators have shown themselves to be so easily fooled by signing on to this bill. What a shame they can't think for themselves. (I.e. Harris, Franken, Warren, Booker, etc.) We should definitely not be supporting future runs of these people considering they've proven that "it's all about them."
tymorial
(3,433 posts)But thank you for your response. It helps me tremendously.
You didn't. But, that is the logical conclusion to your train of thought. They're either, a) attention hogs or b) to dumb to realize what they're doing. Since they signed onto the bill, they deserve all the vitriol directed at Sen. Sanders.
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)them in a primary. Of course, if one became the Democratic candidate, I would, but not in the primary. It was not a good move during the fight to save the ACA.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Nobody is saying to lose focus on saving the ACA.
Nobody.
Especially Bernie.
I see this is a great time to intro single payer - I don't believe the "distraction" argument at all.
And fwiw, more than a 1000 bills are introduced in Congress every year. Many are introduced to get the ball rolling. Just ask John Conyers about his single payer bills
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)remind those that get employer based care...that they would lose it...and on and on. Google the Hillarycare commercials. People like the ACA, run on that. We won't get single payer for decades maybe never.
JI7
(89,240 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)but worth it.. We have to move in the direction of Medicare for all and it won't happen if we don't talk about it. Yes, this does put pressure on Congress. Let's keep it up!
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)so it wouldn't have been a distraction.
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)good idea to put this out during the fight to save the ACA?
Autumn
(44,981 posts)he has said that saving ACA imust be a priority. He has said that many times. Sorry to burst your bubble.
https://twitter.com/SenSanders
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Autumn
(44,981 posts)< another fucking sarcasm tag here >
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Pic is from an "emergency rally" to save the ACA and stop Trumpcare.
[link:https://www.vox.com/2017/6/26/15870262/bernie-sanders-medicaid-obamacare|Bernie Sanders plan to save Obamacare
Sen. Sanders hits the road to turn the GOP health bill into a referendum on Medicaid not the ACA.]
oasis
(49,328 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Eriez
(2 posts)I'm not sure what people have against Bernie here. He's done far more to protect ACA than any of the people on this website has and he will continue to do so. As for Medicare for all...what do you have against it? Part of me thinks some of you may be threatened by an eventual prospect that we need to ditch private insurance, reign in hospitals that overcharge by thousands of dollars, and reign in drug companies that charge ridiculous amounts of money for life saving drugs. A lot of you seem really progressive on issues until it comes to this topic...you won't compromise on anything else except healthcare...the most important issue of all. What is more important than the well being of every person in this country? ACA doesn't go far enough, it doesn't help people in states that haven't expanded their medicaid/medicare system. There are plenty of people that can't get coverage still....what is your message to people like them? Like me? Is it F you? A fine way to spread your message!!
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)might actually have been onto something trying put forth a progressive FDR type platform. It also comes from the leadership. When your candidate continues to attack someone they will follow. Never mind Obama was a lot harder on Hillary than Sanders ever was:
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)I don't understand. It seems many have a beef and I must have missed something along the ways.
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BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Yeesh.
SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)They have been honed from years of experiencing misogyny.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)It's honed, alright!!!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He doesn't mention the ACA in the tweet, which is the second in a series promoting his MFA -- "#MedicareForAll means middle class families would save thousands of dollars" -- so the tweet is actually pushing his own bill and says nothing about the ACA:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders
crosinski
(405 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)See for yourself:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders
And it's not an accidental omission because I've noticed the same pattern since January: when Sanders is supposed to be defending the ACA, he doesn't; he promotes his own variation, often without ever mentioning the ACA. It's a conspicuous absence once you become aware of it.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)That's a demonstrably false statement many times over, both.in his speeches and social media
Autumn
(44,981 posts)to throw millions of people off health insurance other than the ACA?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)You can interpret it how you like but that's the context he provides:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders
Arazi
(6,829 posts)The only healthcare bill up for discussion in the Senate is the Graham Cassidy bill
This is crazy distortion of reality. JFC your Bernie hatred is off the charts
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Autumn
(44,981 posts)know the GOP can't vote or propose throwing people off a heath care bill that doesn't fucking exist.
The one about the ACA is the 4th tweet down. It doesn't specificly mention the ACA by name but Bernie's Medicare for all has covered no one since the bill hasn't had a vote yet. It would be quite a stretch to believe that the GOP has already proposed to throw millions of people off health insurance in Bernies Medicare for All bill.
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Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance.
What program other than the ACA can he be talking about beating back that the Republicans are going to throw million off of?
Do you know that there are a bunch of differnt tweets on different things in that thread?
3 tweets down from that tweet is this one. So no it's not all about his Medicare for All plan in his feed.
The New York TimesVerified account @nytimes
An 8-year-old boy was pushed by teenagers off a picnic table with a rope around his neck, his family said http://nyti.ms/2w9k9wn
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)So yeah, this is about saving the ACA immediately from this current attempt at repeal and replace. Nice try though
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not in today's feed. See for yourself:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)white_wolf
(6,238 posts)If you can't figure that out then that's your problem.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That's the only context he provides. See for yourself:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Which clearly shows that he was referring to the recent Republican legislation to end the ACA. That is crystal clear. Once again, if you can't figure that out then that is your problem. I suspect you and others in this thread are being deliberately obtuse in order to attack Sanders.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Frankly, I'm not going to waste my time debating people who have nothing better to do than attack Sanders. It does nothing but help Trump and the GOP.
riversedge
(70,084 posts)katmondoo
(6,454 posts)I am glad Bernie is backing this.
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beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)that's just crazy talk!!
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)push for the incremental step and end up back where you are...
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Then it might be good to back up that claim.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)or they'll pull a fast one.
Bernie has ALWAYS been out there advocating for healthcare from community centers to the ACA, he's NOT the problem.
crosinski
(405 posts)I don't think we need a bill for that. We just need repugs to stop cutting its funding, and of course to not repeal it altogether.
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)replacement bill which is what Medicare for all is...not during this critical time.
crosinski
(405 posts)If the repugs fail to repeal, the individual markets are predicted to stabilize.
And I'm just gonna let you walk down the road by yourself with the rest of your post.
Demsrule86
(68,466 posts)ACA just the single payer bill to call and fight...all hands on deck