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Bernie Sanders - saving ACA is first priority (Original Post) Arazi Sep 2017 OP
Looks like Bernie is feeling the heat from comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #1
He explicitly said the same thing during his Medicare for All roll out Arazi Sep 2017 #3
Then why push a bill which has zero possibility of happening tymorial Sep 2017 #5
What a shame that Glamrock Sep 2017 #7
I don't believe I said any of that tymorial Sep 2017 #8
Agreed Glamrock Sep 2017 #12
I disagree with what they did...they are all running for president...and I would not vote any of Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66
It does generate excitement which the Dem party desperately needs now Arazi Sep 2017 #9
It will generate criticism...already it begins...with the CBO scoring...next Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #67
He isn't seriously pushing that bill. JI7 Sep 2017 #10
Yes, it's a gamble mountain grammy Sep 2017 #19
And the millions that lose healthcare? I guess they don't matter in this 'quest'? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #68
"Do as I say, not as I do." He should have delayed his roll-out for 2 weeks pnwmom Sep 2017 #28
It is basically a replacement bill. It should not have been rolled out. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #69
Medicare for all is essentially a replacement plan for the ACA...why would anyone think it is a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63
He's very much in tune with the people he is leading, and feeling no heat. It's not the first time Autumn Sep 2017 #4
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #13
The dawn of a new era demand facts be ignored when they don't suit popular alternative facts . Autumn Sep 2017 #23
From June CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #17
"immediate concern". Alrighty then, let's get those words into action. oasis Sep 2017 #2
K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #6
What is everyone's beef with Bernie? Eriez Sep 2017 #11
It's just the "No we can't!" crowd who doesn't want to admit Bernie Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #14
I'm new here too and glad I'm not alone in this opinion CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #18
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #22
What? fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #59
Aren't Pelosi bashers still bashing her for saying exactly this just recently? BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #15
Yep. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #21
😡. Sounds like misogyny to me. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #41
Trust your instints, Blanche. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #43
Ayup. Geez, I started noticing it, and being outraged, when I was in early elementary school. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #60
Good. NT Adrahil Sep 2017 #16
Good to know. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #20
Except that he didn't say that at all. ucrdem Sep 2017 #24
Implied. n/t crosinski Sep 2017 #25
In the entire series he doesn't mention the ACA once. ucrdem Sep 2017 #27
Demonstrably wrong Arazi Sep 2017 #29
That's from July 3. Today is September 17. nt ucrdem Sep 2017 #30
Oh look, another one (of the hundreds of times he's mentioned the ACA by name on social media) Arazi Sep 2017 #32
Cute. Moving of goalposts. You said he was averse to saying "ACA" Arazi Sep 2017 #34
Is there another health care program that the Republicans are going to vote on Autumn Sep 2017 #45
Yes. His own. That's the only "health insurance" mentioned in the entire feed. ucrdem Sep 2017 #46
You believe McConnell will bring Sanders' bill up for a vote??!! Arazi Sep 2017 #48
If you're suggesting that the feed is misleading, I won't object. nt ucrdem Sep 2017 #49
Strange last I knew Bernie's Medicare for All doesn't cover millions of people yet and as far as I Autumn Sep 2017 #52
That is not the point...he should have at least mentioned the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #70
The current R bill he's referencing is Graham Cassidy Arazi Sep 2017 #26
Nowhere does he say "saving ACA is first priority" or even mention the ACA. ucrdem Sep 2017 #33
Lol, nobody's fooled. Carry on Arazi Sep 2017 #35
How about a link? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64
You're correct. (It's disappointing.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #37
Thanks. Just another day in #fakenewsworld I guess. nt ucrdem Sep 2017 #40
Oh please, it's crystal clear what Sanders is talking about. white_wolf Sep 2017 #42
Yes it is. He's talking about his own legislation. Period. ucrdem Sep 2017 #44
The tweet that was quoted referenced 'yet another disastrous Republican proposal' white_wolf Sep 2017 #47
The problem is that he fails to mention the ACA. I think we've established that. ucrdem Sep 2017 #50
Whatever, it's crystal clear what he is talking about. white_wolf Sep 2017 #51
Glad to see this. riversedge Sep 2017 #31
OK I am for saving ACA katmondoo Sep 2017 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #38
so sanders should filibuster any and all GOP bills...pretty simple beachbum bob Sep 2017 #39
Walking & chewing gum... disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #53
So why didn't he introduce a bill the improves the ACA? NobodyHere Sep 2017 #54
lets always make our gestures as small as possible...don't push for the dream and undershoot... JCanete Sep 2017 #55
Why hasn't anyone? Is it his sole responsibility? N/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #56
When you're going to claim that saving the ACA is your first prioty NobodyHere Sep 2017 #57
I'd like to hear more voices backing ACA - better happen FAST flamingdem Sep 2017 #58
The ACA just needs full funding for improvement at this point. crosinski Sep 2017 #61
of course we need a bill to fix some things...that is what we needed...we didn't need a Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #65
Actually, we don't. crosinski Sep 2017 #71
Good maybe it will help get his followers who have been posting that they aren't worried about the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #62

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
1. Looks like Bernie is feeling the heat from
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:49 AM
Sep 2017

the Democrats. It's a good sign. If Sanders wants to be a leader in the Democratic Party he needs to be more in tune with the people he wants to lead.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
3. He explicitly said the same thing during his Medicare for All roll out
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:54 AM
Sep 2017

All of them did - Sanders, Warren, Harris etc. Saving ACA is priority one.

Did anyone bother to listen that day?

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
5. Then why push a bill which has zero possibility of happening
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:13 PM
Sep 2017

While also creating distraction for the GOP as they attempt to again repeal the ACA?

The only logic to this that I can even remotely see is this bill generates tremendous excitement among the population which puts pressure on Congress to act. Even though this bill will not happen, Republicans could feel pressure enough that it forces them to compromise by dropping the repeal action. I suppose this is possible but it feels too much of a gamble and Sanders has been pressing Medicare for All for a very long time, long before we learned Trump was president.

Words mean less than action.

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
7. What a shame that
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:46 PM
Sep 2017

so many beloved Democratic senators have shown themselves to be so easily fooled by signing on to this bill. What a shame they can't think for themselves. (I.e. Harris, Franken, Warren, Booker, etc.) We should definitely not be supporting future runs of these people considering they've proven that "it's all about them."

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
12. Agreed
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 01:14 PM
Sep 2017

You didn't. But, that is the logical conclusion to your train of thought. They're either, a) attention hogs or b) to dumb to realize what they're doing. Since they signed onto the bill, they deserve all the vitriol directed at Sen. Sanders.

Demsrule86

(68,466 posts)
66. I disagree with what they did...they are all running for president...and I would not vote any of
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:51 PM
Sep 2017

them in a primary. Of course, if one became the Democratic candidate, I would, but not in the primary. It was not a good move during the fight to save the ACA.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
9. It does generate excitement which the Dem party desperately needs now
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:50 PM
Sep 2017

Nobody is saying to lose focus on saving the ACA.

Nobody.

Especially Bernie.

I see this is a great time to intro single payer - I don't believe the "distraction" argument at all.

And fwiw, more than a 1000 bills are introduced in Congress every year. Many are introduced to get the ball rolling. Just ask John Conyers about his single payer bills

Demsrule86

(68,466 posts)
67. It will generate criticism...already it begins...with the CBO scoring...next
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:53 PM
Sep 2017

remind those that get employer based care...that they would lose it...and on and on. Google the Hillarycare commercials. People like the ACA, run on that. We won't get single payer for decades maybe never.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
19. Yes, it's a gamble
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 02:26 PM
Sep 2017

but worth it.. We have to move in the direction of Medicare for all and it won't happen if we don't talk about it. Yes, this does put pressure on Congress. Let's keep it up!

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
28. "Do as I say, not as I do." He should have delayed his roll-out for 2 weeks
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:21 PM
Sep 2017

so it wouldn't have been a distraction.

Demsrule86

(68,466 posts)
63. Medicare for all is essentially a replacement plan for the ACA...why would anyone think it is a
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:45 PM
Sep 2017

good idea to put this out during the fight to save the ACA?

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
4. He's very much in tune with the people he is leading, and feeling no heat. It's not the first time
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:05 PM
Sep 2017

he has said that saving ACA imust be a priority. He has said that many times. Sorry to burst your bubble.

https://twitter.com/SenSanders

Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
23. The dawn of a new era demand facts be ignored when they don't suit popular alternative facts .
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 03:29 PM
Sep 2017

< another fucking sarcasm tag here >
 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
17. From June
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 02:23 PM
Sep 2017

Pic is from an "emergency rally" to save the ACA and stop Trumpcare.



[link:https://www.vox.com/2017/6/26/15870262/bernie-sanders-medicaid-obamacare|Bernie Sanders’ plan to save Obamacare
Sen. Sanders hits the road to turn the GOP health bill into a referendum on Medicaid — not the “ACA.”]

 

Eriez

(2 posts)
11. What is everyone's beef with Bernie?
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 01:10 PM
Sep 2017

I'm not sure what people have against Bernie here. He's done far more to protect ACA than any of the people on this website has and he will continue to do so. As for Medicare for all...what do you have against it? Part of me thinks some of you may be threatened by an eventual prospect that we need to ditch private insurance, reign in hospitals that overcharge by thousands of dollars, and reign in drug companies that charge ridiculous amounts of money for life saving drugs. A lot of you seem really progressive on issues until it comes to this topic...you won't compromise on anything else except healthcare...the most important issue of all. What is more important than the well being of every person in this country? ACA doesn't go far enough, it doesn't help people in states that haven't expanded their medicaid/medicare system. There are plenty of people that can't get coverage still....what is your message to people like them? Like me? Is it F you? A fine way to spread your message!!

Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
14. It's just the "No we can't!" crowd who doesn't want to admit Bernie
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 02:02 PM
Sep 2017

might actually have been onto something trying put forth a progressive FDR type platform. It also comes from the leadership. When your candidate continues to attack someone they will follow. Never mind Obama was a lot harder on Hillary than Sanders ever was:

&t=17s
 

CherokeeFiddle

(297 posts)
18. I'm new here too and glad I'm not alone in this opinion
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 02:25 PM
Sep 2017

I don't understand. It seems many have a beef and I must have missed something along the ways.

Response to Eriez (Reply #11)

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
60. Ayup. Geez, I started noticing it, and being outraged, when I was in early elementary school.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:46 AM
Sep 2017

It's honed, alright!!!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
24. Except that he didn't say that at all.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:06 PM
Sep 2017

He doesn't mention the ACA in the tweet, which is the second in a series promoting his MFA -- "#MedicareForAll means middle class families would save thousands of dollars" -- so the tweet is actually pushing his own bill and says nothing about the ACA:

https://twitter.com/SenSanders

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
27. In the entire series he doesn't mention the ACA once.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:20 PM
Sep 2017

See for yourself:

https://twitter.com/SenSanders

And it's not an accidental omission because I've noticed the same pattern since January: when Sanders is supposed to be defending the ACA, he doesn't; he promotes his own variation, often without ever mentioning the ACA. It's a conspicuous absence once you become aware of it.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
32. Oh look, another one (of the hundreds of times he's mentioned the ACA by name on social media)
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:27 PM
Sep 2017

Check out @BernieSanders's Tweet:


?s=09

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
34. Cute. Moving of goalposts. You said he was averse to saying "ACA"
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:30 PM
Sep 2017

That's a demonstrably false statement many times over, both.in his speeches and social media

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
45. Is there another health care program that the Republicans are going to vote on
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:14 PM
Sep 2017

to throw millions of people off health insurance other than the ACA?

"Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
46. Yes. His own. That's the only "health insurance" mentioned in the entire feed.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:17 PM
Sep 2017

You can interpret it how you like but that's the context he provides:

https://twitter.com/SenSanders

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
48. You believe McConnell will bring Sanders' bill up for a vote??!!
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:28 PM
Sep 2017


The only healthcare bill up for discussion in the Senate is the Graham Cassidy bill

This is crazy distortion of reality. JFC your Bernie hatred is off the charts

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
52. Strange last I knew Bernie's Medicare for All doesn't cover millions of people yet and as far as I
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:53 PM
Sep 2017

know the GOP can't vote or propose throwing people off a heath care bill that doesn't fucking exist.


The one about the ACA is the 4th tweet down. It doesn't specificly mention the ACA by name but Bernie's Medicare for all has covered no one since the bill hasn't had a vote yet. It would be quite a stretch to believe that the GOP has already proposed to throw millions of people off health insurance in Bernies Medicare for All bill.

Bernie Sanders?Verified account @SenSanders 11h11 hours ago
More
Our immediate concern is to beat back yet another disastrous Republican proposal to throw millions of people off health insurance.


What program other than the ACA can he be talking about beating back that the Republicans are going to throw million off of?

Do you know that there are a bunch of differnt tweets on different things in that thread?
3 tweets down from that tweet is this one. So no it's not all about his Medicare for All plan in his feed.

This racist act must be thoroughly investigated and the perpetrators brought to justice. No one should live in fear in their own community.Bernie Sanders added,

The New York TimesVerified account @nytimes
An 8-year-old boy was pushed by teenagers off a picnic table with a rope around his neck, his family said http://nyti.ms/2w9k9wn

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
26. The current R bill he's referencing is Graham Cassidy
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:17 PM
Sep 2017

So yeah, this is about saving the ACA immediately from this current attempt at repeal and replace. Nice try though

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
33. Nowhere does he say "saving ACA is first priority" or even mention the ACA.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

Not in today's feed. See for yourself:

https://twitter.com/SenSanders

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
42. Oh please, it's crystal clear what Sanders is talking about.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:05 PM
Sep 2017

If you can't figure that out then that's your problem.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
47. The tweet that was quoted referenced 'yet another disastrous Republican proposal'
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:20 PM
Sep 2017

Which clearly shows that he was referring to the recent Republican legislation to end the ACA. That is crystal clear. Once again, if you can't figure that out then that is your problem. I suspect you and others in this thread are being deliberately obtuse in order to attack Sanders.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
51. Whatever, it's crystal clear what he is talking about.
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 09:41 PM
Sep 2017

Frankly, I'm not going to waste my time debating people who have nothing better to do than attack Sanders. It does nothing but help Trump and the GOP.

Response to Arazi (Original post)

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
55. lets always make our gestures as small as possible...don't push for the dream and undershoot...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 10:39 PM
Sep 2017

push for the incremental step and end up back where you are...
 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
57. When you're going to claim that saving the ACA is your first prioty
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:02 PM
Sep 2017

Then it might be good to back up that claim.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
58. I'd like to hear more voices backing ACA - better happen FAST
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:52 PM
Sep 2017

or they'll pull a fast one.

Bernie has ALWAYS been out there advocating for healthcare from community centers to the ACA, he's NOT the problem.

crosinski

(405 posts)
61. The ACA just needs full funding for improvement at this point.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:28 PM
Sep 2017

I don't think we need a bill for that. We just need repugs to stop cutting its funding, and of course to not repeal it altogether.

Demsrule86

(68,466 posts)
65. of course we need a bill to fix some things...that is what we needed...we didn't need a
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:49 PM
Sep 2017

replacement bill which is what Medicare for all is...not during this critical time.

crosinski

(405 posts)
71. Actually, we don't.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 07:38 PM
Sep 2017

If the repugs fail to repeal, the individual markets are predicted to stabilize.

And I'm just gonna let you walk down the road by yourself with the rest of your post.

Demsrule86

(68,466 posts)
62. Good maybe it will help get his followers who have been posting that they aren't worried about the
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:44 PM
Sep 2017

ACA just the single payer bill to call and fight...all hands on deck

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