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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:01 PM Sep 2017

The big unanswered question concerning Trump.

How will he react when the mueller sledgehammer comes down upon him and his family? We all know Trump is mentally unstable and he is very hard to predict. I believe he will react in one of three ways.

He will look for a way out. He will quit. He will try to do it in a way where he will get no blame. Trump will do anything not to look bad or not to look like a failure. He will put the blame on others. Trump spent his entire life surrounded by lawyers in the New York business world. He learned he could get over on people. He could screw people over and get away with it. He has also shown he will fight until he knows he can't win and then he looks for a way out . He quits and moves on.

He could also move to end the investigation by pardoning everybody. This would be a dangerous move for him. It would set off a constitutional crisis. The calls for impeachment would be intense.

He could start a major war and grab power. This would be bad news for the entire world. It would be more difficult to impeach him during a time of war.

Trump has lived in a bubble his whole life. A bubble where he learned he could get away with almost anything by using his money and lawyers. When things got bad, when he failed he always found a way out. Its all he knows.

He no longer lives in that bubble. His money and lawyers cannot save him. He will be afraid and cornered.

I believe and hope he will quit. Congress should look for a way for him to quit and where he can save face so he doesn't go nuts.

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The big unanswered question concerning Trump. (Original Post) shockey80 Sep 2017 OP
If there's any justice in the universe, he'll lose control of his bladder and bowels on live tv Orrex Sep 2017 #1
My bet is - Laf.La.Dem. Sep 2017 #2
If he does that and is impeached, I guess the pardons still stay? He's a horrible POS! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2017 #3
can't pardon anybody for state crimes shanny Sep 2017 #6
There met be other States Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #8
yes...I think it is perfect shanny Sep 2017 #9
My understanding is,if these people Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #10
Right now... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #4
"Saving face" means he gets away with it MFM008 Sep 2017 #5
I do not believe Trump likes war. Mentally Trump is like a serial killer without all the dead bodies shockey80 Sep 2017 #7
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
6. can't pardon anybody for state crimes
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:34 PM
Sep 2017

of which there will be plenty, including his

tRump has two related built-in vulnerabilities: he lives in NY, and NY is the financial center of the country--almost any financial dealing of any kind will have some kind of link there, which means it can be investigated and prosecuted there. mueller is already working with NY attorney general, who was already investigating on a number of fronts, on his own (for example, NY AG is the one who brought and won the case against tRump University)

i think it will be very disappointing to tRump when he can't pardon himself out of trouble. Sad.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. There met be other States
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:41 PM
Sep 2017

Attorney Generals going this route. Believe California has some type of investigation into Trump and his merry band of Grifters,dealing with money movement.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
9. yes...I think it is perfect
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:44 PM
Sep 2017

Mueller, by contacting/coordinating with Schneidermann, is already signaling (imo) what he is willing to do to get the truth. given tRump's pardon power and willingness to use it, this may be the only way to do it

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. My understanding is,if these people
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:58 PM
Sep 2017

moved funds via Chartered Banks,and the trail goes through Banking Branches located in those States,they might be or are subject to that States Banking Laws. This has been used in Stock and Securities Fraud cases.

As far as Pardon's,Arizona Judge is working on this now in the case of so called Sheriff Joe.

Mike Nelson

(9,954 posts)
4. Right now...
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:24 PM
Sep 2017

...it looks, to me, like there are not enough votes to convict - so there is no reason to quit and give up the power to pardon family, pals, etc... agree with him being unstable and apt to divert with a war.

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
5. "Saving face" means he gets away with it
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:34 PM
Sep 2017

and no. No. and No. Suicide and Sudden death remain options to.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
7. I do not believe Trump likes war. Mentally Trump is like a serial killer without all the dead bodies
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:37 PM
Sep 2017

What I am concerned about is Trump may be cornered with no way out for the first time in his life. How will he react? Nobody knows.

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