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Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:35 PM

i voted for them both.

i love Bernie and i love Hillary. both are great; both are flawed.

isn't the constant squabbling a zero sum game? maybe i don't know what that means. all i know is i skip over the bernie bashing and skip over the hillary bashing. i feel it more acutely with Hillary right now because of the increased attention due to her book coming out. i feel the sexism. nobody that i can think of has taken more unwarranted criticism from the left than Hillary Clinton. for decades and decades there has been a campaign of propaganda and i believe much of it has been internalized by leftists with purist tendencies.

we are not going to get a perfect candidate. but we can, and should, get a winning candidate. Lots of them! 2018, 2020, are so important. we just need to be together. it's just so important. the country is going down the tubes under trump and republicans. please.

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Reply i voted for them both. (Original post)
barbtries Sep 2017 OP
Atticus Sep 2017 #1
barbtries Sep 2017 #2
Ligyron Sep 2017 #6
barbtries Sep 2017 #10
pnwmom Sep 2017 #3
KTM Sep 2017 #24
cate94 Sep 2017 #4
proud patriot Sep 2017 #5
Steven Maurer Sep 2017 #7
Ken Burch Sep 2017 #16
Red Mountain Sep 2017 #8
BaronChocula Sep 2017 #9
barbtries Sep 2017 #13
BaronChocula Sep 2017 #20
barbtries Sep 2017 #22
barbtries Sep 2017 #25
broadcaster90210 Sep 2017 #11
smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #12
Ken Burch Sep 2017 #14
barbtries Sep 2017 #19
George II Sep 2017 #15
barbtries Sep 2017 #17
George II Sep 2017 #21
DFW Sep 2017 #18
ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #23

Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 04:49 PM

1. Totally agree. Thank you for posting this, but I doubt it will get much attention.

It is more exciting, you see, to throw rocks at each other and crank up the hyperbole about how "ANYONE WHO AGREES WITH________ is not a TRUE Democrat---yada-yada-yada".

Your common sense and realistic pragmatism are representative of a lot of us but, somehow, the rock throwers seem to get more "likes".

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Response to Atticus (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 05:10 PM

2. yeah, i've noticed that.

i don't get it really. we have the republicans and this absolute nightmare of a president to overcome. we should not be tripping over our own feet at this point.

i cannot even watch the young turks anymore because of it. they cannot get through a show without bashing Hillary, and i simply cannot sit for it anymore.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:25 PM

6. Nobody talks about this but...

I think there are a number of people who are pissed at Hillary, (conscience or subconsciously) for losing the election.

Some, I imagine, are angry at her for even running in the first place knowing she was such an easy target for the GOP, she having been the object of a 30 year all-out smear campaign.

Let me make it clear that I am not one of these people but I believe there are some here who feel this way.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:18 PM

10. i'm certain you're right about that.

so many times i hear she didn't address this, she didn't address that. She had the most comprehensive, sensible, realistic platform, and it was laid out for people, and she spoke about it ceaselessly until she literally collapsed. yet the rancor continued and it really defies common sense.

plus, she did win. more and more i believe that leftist pundits who bashed her incessantly are partially responsible for the outcome of the election. it was just close enough to steal and it should have been a blow out.

during the election, Jimmy Dore, on the young turks, went on a rant about Hillary and yelled that he wasn't afraid of trump being president. how many listeners said yeah! let's just make sure hillary loses and it will all come out okay...well it didn't goddamit and i cannot forgive this person, who has influence on people's actions, for making those reckless statements.

but again, water under the bridge. that it's still being litigated is really fucked up right now, when we need to elect democrats. like it or not there are 2 viable parties. they are not the same. we need democrats.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 05:55 PM

3. Bernie just came out with another negative pronouncement about the Democratic

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party, which he made a point of publicly leaving after the convention. So Democrats feel the need to defend themselves and the party.

I agree wholeheartedly that Hillary has taken a lot of unwarranted criticism, and much of this is the result of sexism.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:06 AM

24. Not this Dem.

 

1., I dont take his words as a negative pronouncement, or an attack, or "bashing." I agree with his criticism that the party needs change in light of the fact that "Republicans control the House, the Senate, they control the White House, they control two-thirds of the governorsí offices.

2., I feel no need to defend myself or my party from this critique.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:21 PM

4. K & R

Agree 100 %.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:23 PM

5. I voted for both too

It breaks my heart to see the division between liberals . We need to fix it .
Love and understanding should do it and I'll spread as much as i can .

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:41 PM

7. I voted for one, but liked the other's energy

...and willingness to be undiplomatic concerning Republican attacks on America.

To the extent that I dislike some of Bernie supporters' counterproductive behavior in bashing people who agree with them on at least 90% of their positions, I do NOT want to see that behavior copied by anyone else.

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Response to Steven Maurer (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:25 PM

16. Agreed.

 

n/t.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:52 PM

8. Me, too.

Focus on the future.

Take what you can get.......and bend it to your will.


No other options.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:53 PM

9. Exactly!

I've voted for Bernie for mayor, governor, and congressman before I moved to California. I also supported Clinton in the 2016 election. The differences between them are not commensurate with the rancor that has ensued. They both lost. We need to move on. The Party needs to evolve without finger-pointing. The next generation of Dem leaders need not seek an endorsement from either as long as they stand unapologetically for fair taxation, living wages, wage equality, access to health care, and acknowledgement/respect for all demographics. No one singularly owns these values. Adhering to them is what WILL actually make America great. Fighting over who supported it more in 2016 will guarantee GOP victory in 2018. Don't guarantee GOP victory in 2018!

And the sexism? Don't get me started.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:21 PM

13. right? yet so many will still deny it.

David Sirota tweeted something the other day that was so demonstrative of this bullshit divide that doesn't even have to exist. something about hillary was on tv switching nostrils and bernie was introducing health care for all.

happy to say the responses indicate that we ARE in the majority here. sigh.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:32 PM

20. FDS

He is obsessed! I thought about him when I saw your original post because he just. can't. let. it. go. SAD! You'd think HRC turned him down for the prom.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:37 PM

22. i don't get FDS?

i even looked it up with no luck?

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:52 PM

25. i figured out FDS

fuck david sirota! ha

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:20 PM

11. This x 1,000

Very well said. I did the same.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:20 PM

12. So did I and I was firmly behind Hillary in the GE.

I am so tired of this inter-party squabbling. Let's move on people, please.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:24 PM

14. That's what I've been saying the whole time.

 

It's time for unity.

And that unity is best achieved by treating the ideas of both campaigns as being important to our future, whatever anyone feels about either of them as a person.

We are all solidly pro-choice.

We are all pro-labor.

We are all solidly anti-racist.

We are all solidly pro-LGBTQ

We are all solidly for economic justice-and the vast majority recognize that social justice and economic justice are not conflicting causes.

THAT's what matters.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:32 PM

19. yes!

and we're all for health care for all, if not single payer then an equitable, viable ACA...that's what it means to be a democrat. When i have to distill it down to the difference between republicans and democrats, i say, we care about everyone.

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:24 PM

15. Unfortunately one of them felt the need, again, to bash the Democratic Party this morning.

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Response to George II (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:29 PM

17. so i hear. i didn't read the quote.

yet his bill is being supported and endorsed by democrats alone.

it's a damn shame. i wish he would return to the party and act like a grown up. i'm sure his criticisms are well taken and contain truths, but it's just not the fucking time. the convention is where these grievances should be dealt with. if he went back to being a democrat he could take his issues there and work them out with other democrats instead of stirring up dissension within the left, which needs to be a coalition.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:37 PM

21. It was this morning, on Meet the Press:

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Response to George II (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 07:30 PM

18. I'm shocked, I tell you.

Which one was it? I can't imagine that either of the two thinks anything is to be gained by that stance.......

(Well, OK, maybe I can....)

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Response to barbtries (Original post)

Mon Sep 18, 2017, 08:35 AM

23. it serves certain DU members' agendas to keep

the connection between Sanders and Democrats weak.

Let's make it strong.

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