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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:19 AM Sep 2017

Is Trump a White Supremacist?





“Donald Trump is a white supremacist who has largely surrounded himself w/ other white supremacists.”

That was only one in a string a tweets on Sept. 11 by ESPN host Jemele Hill in which Hill goes on to say that Trump is “the most ignorant, offensive president of my lifetime,” that he hired and courted white supremacists, that “His rise is a direct result of white supremacy,” that “if he were not white, he never would have been elected.” Hill insinuates that the Republican Party “has done nothing but endorse/promote white supremacy.”

These tweets caused quite a stir. The White House perpetual lie-generator and press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said that it was a fireable offense for ESPN. Sanders’s statement, of course, was not without its own controversy. As AOL reported:

“The Democratic Coalition, an anti-Trump Super PAC, has filed an ethics complaint against White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders with the Office of Government Ethics for her comments calling on ESPN host Jemele Hill to be fired.”

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Is Trump a White Supremacist? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 OP
I suspect he's not in the sense of having a KKK hood in his gold plated closet... Baconator Sep 2017 #1
Fred Trump was in the KKK True_Blue Sep 2017 #6
Nevertheless. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2017 #61
Trump isn't predisposed to representing ALL the People. no_hypocrisy Sep 2017 #2
He gives succor to white supremacists. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #3
what do you think? heaven05 Sep 2017 #25
While Donald Trump won't be confused with David Duke, no_hypocrisy Sep 2017 #29
No contrast needed heaven05 Sep 2017 #45
I would say bdamomma Sep 2017 #4
Good article greeny2323 Sep 2017 #5
IMHO, Trump traffics in and believes many of the far right conspiracy theories.... Thomas Hurt Sep 2017 #7
+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #11
+1, He's a typical winger voter that surrounds himself with FAUX news et al uponit7771 Sep 2017 #52
As Charles Blow says himself ... kwassa Sep 2017 #8
Yes he is. onecaliberal Sep 2017 #9
Great article. dalton99a Sep 2017 #10
If you like or pander to racists, you "is" one. Hoyt Sep 2017 #12
Yes he is Johnny2X2X Sep 2017 #13
Does a bear poop in the woods? MoonRiver Sep 2017 #14
Magic 8 Ball says... Wounded Bear Sep 2017 #15
Yes colsohlibgal Sep 2017 #16
Unequivocal yes. Enoki33 Sep 2017 #17
Yes. H2O Man Sep 2017 #18
Is the sky blue? hobby10113 Sep 2017 #19
He is, at the very least, a White Nationalist Saviolo Sep 2017 #20
White Nationalist White Supremacist ihaveaquestion Sep 2017 #22
I think it's a subtle measure of degrees. Saviolo Sep 2017 #44
Yes shenmue Sep 2017 #21
Without a doubt. (nt) Paladin Sep 2017 #23
Yes Botany Sep 2017 #24
He is a "Donald Trump Supremacist" SHRED Sep 2017 #26
Yeah, he thinks he's better than ALL people TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #56
Why are their undies in a bundle over Jemele Hill's tweets? Mister Ed Sep 2017 #27
Because she is accurately labeling what Trump is supporting. Caliman73 Sep 2017 #30
Yes, trump is white supremacist Gothmog Sep 2017 #28
Is the pope Catholic? Is The von Trump family of scammers going to jail? YES MLAA Sep 2017 #31
Of course he is. There is no doubt. Caliman73 Sep 2017 #32
YES Doreen Sep 2017 #33
Is a 40 lb Bob Loblaw Sep 2017 #34
He believes he's genetically superior, a possessor of 'good' genes. Scurrilous Sep 2017 #35
NSS niyad Sep 2017 #36
Perhaps not, but he is happy to accept the support of such people Jose Garcia Sep 2017 #37
Anyone . . . peggysue2 Sep 2017 #38
Obviously. Iggo Sep 2017 #39
He is a TRUMP SUPREMACIST. De facto, because he's white, he is a white supremacist, but those folks BamaRefugee Sep 2017 #40
Yes. n/t SpankMe Sep 2017 #41
Tell you what, give me ten examples showing he's NOT a white supremacist. Iggo Sep 2017 #42
not merely a white supremacist surrounded by white supremacists; he ran a white supremacist campaign unblock Sep 2017 #43
If Trump's not a white supremacist then... Ohiya Sep 2017 #46
yeap uponit7771 Sep 2017 #51
Sky blue? Water wet? fire hot? Nixon crook? lastlib Sep 2017 #47
Yes Trump is a white supremacist ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #48
He's a "Trump Supremacist". maveric Sep 2017 #49
*****Breaking***** Gore1FL is kicking thread for DSB. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #50
Is Trump a white supremacist? To quote Cheech Marin: "Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls?" jcmaine72 Sep 2017 #53
Does a brown bear ---- in the woods? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #55
YES !!! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #54
Duh cyclonefence Sep 2017 #57
No. He believes in nothing but himself. nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #58
He's Ferengi Star Trek: Deep Space Nine IADEMO2004 Sep 2017 #59
No doubt, he's a racist. Hieronymus Sep 2017 #60
Hmmmm.. disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #62

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
1. I suspect he's not in the sense of having a KKK hood in his gold plated closet...
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:20 AM
Sep 2017

More in that old man way who grew up both back in the day and in a position of extreme privilege.

It's not much of a distinction but there's some I suppose.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
61. Nevertheless.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 05:41 AM
Sep 2017

Perhaps people like Trump are even more dangerous than the KKK. Not sure they really have a whole lot of power these days. Guys like Trump, though? Loads of it.

no_hypocrisy

(46,094 posts)
2. Trump isn't predisposed to representing ALL the People.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:21 AM
Sep 2017

That makes him a bigot.

Whether he is a white supremacist is something else altogether. Can you be a WS passively or do you have to actively affirm and promote the principles of racial superiority?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
25. what do you think?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:20 PM
Sep 2017

he has actively promoted his racism during his campaign(birther shit), black protestors at his nuremburg rallies beaten up and forcefully ejected and the racist in chief saying he would pay all legal bills of WHITE THUGS 'protecting' the white purity of his rallies, jefferson beauregard davis-sessions, AN AVOWED WHITE SUPREMACIST, as AG? What proof are you looking for, him at a KKK cross burning? His father did that.

no_hypocrisy

(46,094 posts)
29. While Donald Trump won't be confused with David Duke,
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:27 PM
Sep 2017

he's been cagey enough to walk up to the line and not cross over, allowing him to technically disavow being an outright racist.

The most one can say that he hasn't condemned and disassociated himself with far-right racists, anti-Semites, misogynists, and nativists. By contrast, Reagan referred to African-Americans as "young bucks" and chastised women for holding jobs that men needed for example.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
45. No contrast needed
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:56 PM
Sep 2017

david duke has proven himself to be a competent and sly-open racist. Smart enough to be a klansman in suit and tie, he did get a lot of votes in 88-92, just as the 66millions plus votes for a racist like the potus we have now, was a metaphorical cross burning.

Reagan is dead and gone and his references to AA's is typical of all in fear and awe of the resilience and strength of the black race in america. Nothing different from slave days...this racist, sexist clown now calling himself potus along with his cohorts in the background...gorka, duke, bannon, jones, miller, JBD-S&doj, are trying to renew the confederacy that I bet duke is proud of.

This potus has stepped all over your proverbial "line" and has crossed it numerous times as I have witnessed and heard from him in the last 20 months or so.....he's is a racist that associated his administration with "far right racists" and reluctantly made statements that equivocated the blame for an white racist riot, with associated murder, over some pigeon shit encrusted confederate monuments, to the first failed white supremacist attempt to have a nation led by bigots and racist, to "both side were at blame" as just one very recent example. That's the most this one has to say, along with your analysis, I'm finished. Have a good one.

 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
5. Good article
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:28 AM
Sep 2017

This is a good article, and it looks like #TrumpsAWhiteSupremacist is trending on Twitter because of it.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
7. IMHO, Trump traffics in and believes many of the far right conspiracy theories....
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:29 AM
Sep 2017

He has made it clear he will scapegoat peoples for the skin color and religion. He is a scapegoating racist, ultra-nationalist, militaristic and anti intellectual, who is willing to use Christianity to further his scapegoating. I don't believe Trump is a christian, no matter how many fawning fundamentalists pray over him.

People try to say he doesn't have an ideology. They are wrong.

Trump is a modern day, American fascist.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
8. As Charles Blow says himself ...
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:34 AM
Sep 2017

from the opinion piece:

It is clear that Trump is hero among white supremacists: He panders to them, he is slow to condemn them and when that condemnation manifests, it is often forced and tepid. Trump never seems to be worried about offending anyone except Vladimir Putin and white supremacists.

What does that say about him? How can you take comfort among and make common cause with white supremacists and not assimilate to their sensibilities?

I say that it can’t be done. If you are not completely opposed to white supremacy, you are quietly supporting it. If you continue to draw equivalencies between white supremacists and the people who oppose them — as Trump did once again last week — you have crossed the racial Rubicon and moved beyond quiet support to vocal support. You have made an allegiance and dug a trench in the war of racial hostilities.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. If you like or pander to racists, you "is" one.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:52 AM
Sep 2017





May not meet the technical definition of "white supremacists," but I think being a racist is close enough.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
13. Yes he is
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:54 AM
Sep 2017

Trump is not just one of your average racist Republicans, he's a full blown White Supremacist. He may even be a Neo Nazi.

ihaveaquestion

(2,534 posts)
22. White Nationalist White Supremacist
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:11 PM
Sep 2017

Same, same, as far as I can see.

Is there some nuance of a difference I'm not aware of?

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
44. I think it's a subtle measure of degrees.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:53 PM
Sep 2017

White Nationalists believe in a white nation and also believe "My nation, right or wrong!!" and are probably more likely to want to expel or remove all POC, whereas white supremacists are more likely to want to get rid of the problem on home soil. There's a lot of overlap between the two and it's a very fine distinction. They're both entirely repugnant, much like Trump himself.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
24. Yes
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:17 PM
Sep 2017

His dad was in the KKK, the largest U.S. settlement ever for housing discrimination was
against Trump's company were they marked any black applicants' file w/a "C" for colored,
Trump flashes the white power sign all the time, he hired and reads Steve Bannon, and I
can't think of anything more racist then Trump's birther crap. Show me your papers boy
you don't look like you are from around here.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
26. He is a "Donald Trump Supremacist"
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:24 PM
Sep 2017

He's an opportunist with no grounding except for what he thinks is best for himself.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
56. Yeah, he thinks he's better than ALL people
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:31 PM
Sep 2017

But I'm sure he thinks white people are better than other races too.

Mister Ed

(5,930 posts)
27. Why are their undies in a bundle over Jemele Hill's tweets?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:25 PM
Sep 2017

I thought Trump supporters like it when public figures aren't afraid to speak their minds, and "tell it like it is", with no sugar coating.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
30. Because she is accurately labeling what Trump is supporting.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:32 PM
Sep 2017

Trump's supporters want to be able to speak their minds and suppress the voices of historically suppressed people. Jamele Hill is the prototype of what Trump hates most: A woman, a Black woman, a Black woman with a platform, and a Black woman that is not afraid to challenge the White male supremacy that is the establishment in the US.

Free speech should only be for them is what Trump and his supporters believe.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
32. Of course he is. There is no doubt.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 12:59 PM
Sep 2017

White supremacy is in the air we breathe, the water, the food. It is baked in to the American Apple Pie. The country was founded by White Men for White Men. While their have been significant challenges and rights have been recognized because of the hard work of women and people of color and White people of good conscience, it does not change the fact that the social norms, the institutions, and most facets of society have been set up based on the experiences and for the primary benefit of White Men. Most modern Presidents have skirted around the issue, never really outwardly supporting the concept, but using coded language and symbolism (I.E. Nixon's "silent majority", Reagan opening his campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi, Bush Sr.'s Willie Horton ad's, Bill Clinton's Sista Soulja moment, GWB's handling of Katrina). President Obama was criticized because he did not actively challenge the notion of White Supremacy, but even with his calm demeanor and focus on all Americans, he was accused of dividing people, not because he actively sided with Black people, women, and people of color, but because he is Black. He was automatically assumed to side with people of color because he is one. That is the projection because White presidents have certainly always sided more with White people so why wouldn't a Black President naturally side with Black people.

Trump's campaign was based solely on racial animus. It was based on identifying and labeling Black people, Latino's, Women, LGBT people, and Muslims as "other". It was about saying that it was okay to try to put "those people" back where they belong. Trump is a White Supremacist. He actively supports the idea that Black people, women, and other people of color and of different religions are inferior and should be subservient.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
38. Anyone . . .
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:16 PM
Sep 2017

who isn't willing to unequivocally reject the KKK and David Duke, Neo-Nazis and the Alt-right is at the very least a White Supremacist sympathizer and enabler. Trump has shown his true nature on countless occasions. No excuses.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
40. He is a TRUMP SUPREMACIST. De facto, because he's white, he is a white supremacist, but those folks
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:18 PM
Sep 2017

are a far distant subset from what he is:
ONE MAN
ALONE
THE PINNACLE OF HUMANITY
"ONLY I CAN FIX IT"

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
42. Tell you what, give me ten examples showing he's NOT a white supremacist.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:21 PM
Sep 2017

Okay, five.

Okay, two.

Okay, one. Just one.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
43. not merely a white supremacist surrounded by white supremacists; he ran a white supremacist campaign
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:21 PM
Sep 2017

his entry into politics was based almost entirely on the odious canard that the first black president wasn't a legitimate american citizen. he lied about matters of fact and matters of law in order to imply that obama wasn't as american as our previous white presidents.

pretty damn white supremacist start.

then he proceeded to insult just about anyone who wasn't a white, male, able-bodied, christian, european-american.
he even insulted those white, male, able-bodied, christian, european-americans who didn't fall in line behind him and the party he was leading, with a white supremacist agenda.


his agenda is *remarkably* similar to early hitler's. nationalism and ethnic purity above all; anything else is a means to those ends.

Ohiya

(2,230 posts)
46. If Trump's not a white supremacist then...
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:46 PM
Sep 2017

Grits ain't groceries,
Eggs ain't poultry,
and Mona Lisa was a man!

apologies to Elvin Bishop

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
53. Is Trump a white supremacist? To quote Cheech Marin: "Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls?"
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:26 PM
Sep 2017

If he's not, he's doing the best impression of one I've seen Edward Norton's performance in American History X.

IADEMO2004

(5,554 posts)
59. He's Ferengi Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:56 PM
Sep 2017
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Ferengi_Rules_of_Acquisition


Number Rule Source
1 "Once you have their money, you never give it back." "The Nagus" (DS9 episode)

2 "The best deal is the one that makes the most profit." The 34th Rule (DS9 novel)

4 "A woman wearing clothes is like a man in the kitchen." The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition (DS9 novel)

6 "Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity." "The Nagus" (DS9 episode)

21 "Never place friendship before profit." "Rules of Acquisition" (DS9 episode)

29 "What's in it for me?" Highest Score (DS9 novel)

32 "Insult something he cares about." "Elite Force II"
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