Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 11:04 AM Sep 2017

Russian psyops possibly being deployed in the United States.

We had a pretty good idea that had happened with the election, but many people do not know that it might be part of an ongoing, larger long term strategy by the Russians to permanently damage America. Maybe even a new Cold War with the aim of creating an America that is beholden to Russia's interests. Forgive me if the following article has already been posted here. I haven't been here in a while.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/gerasimov-doctrine-russia-foreign-policy-215538

Lately, Russia appears to be coming at the United States from all kinds of contradictory angles. Russian bots amplified Donald Trump during the campaign, but in office, Kremlin-backed media portray him as weak. Vladimir Putin is expelling U.S. diplomats from Russia, limiting options for warmer relations with the administration he wanted in place. As Congress pushes a harder line against Russia, plenty of headlines declare that Putin’s gamble on Trump has failed.

Confused? Only if you don’t understand the Gerasimov Doctrine.

In February 2013, General Valery Gerasimov—Russia’s chief of the General Staff, comparable to the U.S. chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—published a 2,000-word article, “The Value of Science Is in the Foresight,” in the weekly Russian trade paper Military-Industrial Kurier. Gerasimov took tactics developed by the Soviets, blended them with strategic military thinking about total war, and laid out a new theory of modern warfare—one that looks more like hacking an enemy’s society than attacking it head-on. He wrote: “The very ‘rules of war’ have changed. The role of nonmilitary means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown, and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness. … All this is supplemented by military means of a concealed character.”

20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Russian psyops possibly being deployed in the United States. (Original Post) Tobin S. Sep 2017 OP
kicking for visibility.. Important stuff.. . . . n/t annabanana Sep 2017 #1
This article is powerful, rings true -- and all I have to say is byronius Sep 2017 #2
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2017 #3
the United States? Russian psyops are probably being deployed on DU ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #4
I'd say that it's a good possibility. Tobin S. Sep 2017 #8
Yes, I Saw Very Suspicious Stuff This Morning Leith Sep 2017 #10
K&R. n/t ms liberty Sep 2017 #5
NSS niyad Sep 2017 #6
And, because of their collusion with Russians to win the election, PatrickforO Sep 2017 #7
Hmmm. If they don't choose sides as the article says ... crosinski Sep 2017 #9
Nah, Trump is a very effective Russian operative (even though he doesn't know it) Tobin S. Sep 2017 #11
K&R. Thanks for posting this. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2017 #12
You're welcome. Tobin S. Sep 2017 #16
KnR Hekate Sep 2017 #13
Not possibly, definitely. See the WSJ Facebook scoop sharedvalues Sep 2017 #14
I hear Russian scientists have synthesized a form of water that is wet. n/t Orsino Sep 2017 #15
It may have been obvious to you, but keep in mind Tobin S. Sep 2017 #17
That's right. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #18
Including me. Orsino Sep 2017 #19
Oh, okay. Sorry, I misunderstood you. n/t Tobin S. Sep 2017 #20

byronius

(7,391 posts)
2. This article is powerful, rings true -- and all I have to say is
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:22 PM
Sep 2017

Paybacks. Paybacks, comrade.

We're coming for you.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
10. Yes, I Saw Very Suspicious Stuff This Morning
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:45 PM
Sep 2017

Check out threads about "Dreamers" who shut down a Pelosi press conference this morning.


PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
7. And, because of their collusion with Russians to win the election,
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:44 PM
Sep 2017

many Republicans are guilty of treason.

crosinski

(411 posts)
9. Hmmm. If they don't choose sides as the article says ...
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:40 PM
Sep 2017

... I wonder if they'll help us win next time just to confuse us.

Somehow I doubt that.




Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
11. Nah, Trump is a very effective Russian operative (even though he doesn't know it)
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:24 PM
Sep 2017

if you are looking to sew hate and discontent in America, set the population against itself, and create confusion in order to weaken America. This is why I warn my fellow liberals that Trump could very well be a two term president. Things might look bad for him right now as far as his popularity goes, but that doesn't mean things can't change with a quickness, especially with a population in America that is very susceptible to being swayed by propaganda due to the society generally being grossly uniformed.

Rhiannon12866

(204,811 posts)
12. K&R. Thanks for posting this.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:29 AM
Sep 2017

I can certainly believe this, and I'm sure that the U.S. isn't the only target.

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
17. It may have been obvious to you, but keep in mind
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:26 PM
Sep 2017

almost nobody in America has a clue that this might be happening right now.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
18. That's right.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:32 PM
Sep 2017

My mom wonders why she sees so many rabid Trumpist cheerleaders posted and reposted on Facebook, Twitter, etc., but she doesn't run into anywhere near that many on the streets or in the supermarket. I told her this is why. She absolutely refuses to believe it.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. Including me.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 01:37 PM
Sep 2017

I don't know what American intelligence is tracking, but the public has no idea of the extent.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Russian psyops possibly b...