Democrats And Bernie Sanders just made a big move to kill ACA repeal

[CherokeeFiddle]

Let's put the narrative to rest that Bernie isn't helping to defend the ACA shall we?
Because this just happened.

Democrats And Bernie Sanders Just Made A Big Move To Stop The GOP’s Bid To Repeal Obamacare

As Republicans are trying to rush through their final effort to repeal Obamacare, Democratic Congressional leaders along with Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have asked for a full CBO score of the bill.

In a letter provided to PoliticusUSA, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Rep. John Yarmuth (D-KY), and Sanders wrote to the Director of the CBO:


Before votes are taken on Graham-Cassidy, the public needs a full understanding of the impact this legislation would have on hard-working families. The legislation creates three different time periods of concern: immediately following enactment in 2018 and 2019, in the period from 2020 to 2026, and after 2027 when funding is dramatically reduced.

MORE http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/18/democrats-bernie-sanders-big-move-stop-gops-bid-repeal-obamacare.html

[elleng]

1. Yes, THANKS.

[CherokeeFiddle]

4. :) Anytime

[ProfessorPlum]

2. but he's not a Democrat!

just thought I would save some people the time and effort.

[CherokeeFiddle]

3. lol

[AllyCat]

12. Right, eh? They'll probably hate it since Sanders name is on it.

[Duppers]

29. Exactly!

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Yet, below we're accused:
Bernie fans act like nobody else is on that letter.

When we did not say or even assume that! Dare we ever defend ourselves?

[klook]

61. It's Bernie *fans*, not supporters

Please, know your terminology!

[Duppers]

63. I was **quoting** poster down thread.

But thanks!! You're correct. And please tell the poster down thread, okay?

I'll remove the quotation marks now.

[we can do it]

24. Enough divisive crap.

[ProfessorPlum]

42. Indeed!

[ProfessorPlum]

52. way to pay attention

[George II]

34. It's Schumer's and Pelosi's doing, they're the Democratic House and Senate leaders....

The other two signed on as the ranking members of their respective committees. This is SOP, no big deal.

[virtualobserver]

55. Being one of the leaders of the Democratic party is SOP for Bernie...per Kirsten Gillibrand.

I stand with Kirsten.

?1410201975

[George II]

56. That's not exactly what she said. Unfortunately there are at least two incorrect...

....and not so subjective interpretations of her interview this morning.

[virtualobserver]

58. She was asked "who is the leader of the Democratic Party"

The first person that she mentioned by name was Bernie Sanders. Pretty clear.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Wait, WHAT???

Heya, Professor Plum! How've you been?

[ProfessorPlum]

41. LOL

Hey there BMUS. Hanging in.

I still haven't been able to ignore all the DUers who keep noticing that Sanders is not a Democrat, though, so that makes life exciting.

[beam me up scottie]

45. You've got the right attitude.

[pangaia]

80. I decided to stop taking part in any of these type threads.. useless..

But. but.. today I couldn't help myself.. I made 2-3 replies to something.. Shame old shit..
Bernard Sanders just is 'NOT a Democrat' and is only in it for himself, and that is all there is to it.

Ah well.. I will try not to discuss it with people of an opinion different than mine. Nothing is accomplished from either side and people just get more riled up.. And we all( I hope) will support the good guys in the end..


I'll keep supporting people here who do keep the fires berning--- Oh jeeze, did I really say that??
(Now I wonder what somebody may read into that...)



Yes, I guess I did.


On a more exciting note, at least for me,I just finished 2 1/2 hour rehearsal of the Hindemith SYMPHONIC METAMORPHOSIS and the Dvorak NEW WORLD SYMPHONY.. Life is good.

[pangaia]

44. Why doesn't he just join the damn party.

Then everything he does will be ok .

[ProfessorPlum]

53. I know, right?

this site is filled with people for whom a label matters more than what's inside.

Or who are paid to pretend that's the case.

[area51]

83. +1 n/t

[mdbl]

84. Hey, that tactic works for Repuglicans

It doesn't work for America but it works for Repuglicans.

[Turn CO Blue]

60. LOL!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. haha, yes, tell 'em! It's time to give Bernie a freakin' break around here.

[Autumn]

5. Is this Bernie just doing one of those distractions before he kills the ACA?

I probably need to be sure to use this.

Recommended . We know our elected Dems and Bernie work together for the good of the American people and always have our backs.

Thanks for posting.

[CherokeeFiddle]

6. I find it fascinating that so many

seem to doubt our leadership's ability to pick good people to head things.

[Autumn]

8. It's an interesting phenomenon to see, that's for sure.

[mythology]

7. It was always a silly narrative

While I don't always agree with Sanders (or anybody else), the people doubting him on this front seem to be committed to either refighting the primaries or convinced Sanders caused Clinton to lose and so view everything Sanders does with suspicion.

[azureblue]

17. and I still wonder

about those people who raised these suspicions. Like they were instigators or something. Their shtick just didn't add up.. Most of it amounted to flinging poo or poorly crafted innuendo.

[JI7]

9. CBO scores are always needed. They helped kill the previous repeal bills

[L. Coyote]

10. #WealthyCare - huge tax breaks disguised as healthcare once again.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[NewJeffCT]

15. Who is Roskam Hood

and why is he hashtagging himself? Isn't that sort of like referring to yourself in the 3rd person?

[L. Coyote]

21. You can click on a Twitter name and see who it is. They are active links.

Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL 6th) - Stealing from the poor to give to the rich!!!

Rep. Peter James Roskam is the U.S. Representative for Illinois's 6th congressional district, serving since 2007.

Link to tweet

[BigmanPigman]

11. We were warned to "stay vigilant" since the GOP would likely

try to repeal again. This was in my notes from July 27 (the day after the last failed repeal attempt). I knew in my gut that McConnell would never give up and he needs a win desperately. Remember how he screwed the supreme court vote! This time McCain is on board and Collins is a co sponsor so she has flipped too.

Please call Congress and tell them to go straight to hell for doing this to already sick and poor people as well as the rest of the country since it will increase insur costs for everyone (employers included...no raises this year...). Healthcare shouldn't be used to make the 1% richer.
[phone] Thanks!

[ananda]

13. Good!

..

[left-of-center2012]

14. But, but, but ...

I thought Bernie is the Devil's tool?

Smoke comes out of his ears, and fire from his mouth when he speaks.

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. HA!

[yardwork]

16. Good.

[TCJ70]

19. Would you be happier if it just said "Democrats"

They're keeping the headline short while also not lumping Bernie in with the Dems. That should at least keep a certain contingent here happy...

[TCJ70]

20. Good. Maybe not certain people here can back off...

...oh who am I kidding!

[pnwmom]

22. He IS the Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee. How could he not sign

an official letter to the Congressional Budget Office?

John Yarmouth, the Ranking Member of the House Committee signed it, too, along with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. They deserve as much personal credit (not just as "Democrats) as Bernie.

[LiberalLovinLug]

27. So....if he only could have NOT signed it he would have not, is that your implication?

If anyone is independent, in more ways than one, it is Bernie Sanders. I thought that was the big burr in the saddle with him for all the neo-primary fighters? If Sanders did not believe in signing it, he wouldn't have.

And it was Democrats that made him a ranking member of the budget office. You should trust their judgement a little more methinks.

[pnwmom]

31. No, I'm not. I'm saying that they ALL deserve individual credit or none of them do.

Why spotlight the contribution of the Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee and then lump the other three together as unnamed Democrats?

[LiberalLovinLug]

36. You really think there was some conspiratorial plot in that?

Or maybe it was just a convenient way for the editor to put it?

And also, sorry but its true, Sanders has political clout being the most popular politician in the country. Plus he, whether you think he should get credit or not, is in the forefront in the battle for better heath care. So I'm sure the editor thought that mentioning his name as part of it is significant for the story.

[pnwmom]

39. Where did I say it was a conspiratorial plot? Why are you putting words in my mouth?

And where is your evidence that Sanders is the most popular politician in the country? The only evidence anyone ever puts forward on that are polls that don't compare him to every politician in the country , but to a handful of Democrats and a handful of Republicans. So all that can be truthfully claimed is that he is more popular than the ones who were named in the poll.

Among thousands of others, Joe Biden wasn't named in the polls -- and he hasn't ruled himself as being out of politics.

Besides, in the only polls that really count, Hillary Clinton won 4 million more popular votes than Bernie, and almost 3 million more popular votes than DT. Being "popular" isn't everything.

[LiberalLovinLug]

57. Well

Sorry if I misinterpreted, but who are you addressing the question to when you say:
"Why spotlight the contribution of the Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee and then lump the other three together as unnamed Democrats?"

And I thought it was common knowledge,

http://observer.com/2017/07/bernie-sanders-most-popular-politician/

Poll Confirms Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in the Country.

And I don't know if Biden was included in that poll, but I have a hard time thinking that if you are talking about Republicans and Independents also voting in that poll that Biden would overtake Sanders. (Pence came in second). But who cares if he is first or second. The point is that he is very popular, he is willing and able to work with Democrats, and that can be taken advantage of.

The only reason I bring up that poll, is that it is dumb not to use Sanders popularity. Is Sanders using the Democratic party to push for social changes? Yes. But the Democratic party is also using Sanders to push forward their own popularity and credibility with voters that may not have given it otherwise, which is a smart thing to do. Popularity is not everything. But it cannot be dismissed in the world of politics.

And BTW, Even thought she would have made a very good President, Hillary is not employed by the government anymore. That she won California by so much, but didn't win quite enough in the rust belt states, but still won the overall popular vote, is neither here nor there. Neither is the fact that she won the primary. Sanders is still employed and is just doing his job, and doing it well. Let him be.

[pnwmom]

59. That isn't common knowledge. The title of that article falsely represents the results of the poll.

The poll doesn't prove Bernie is the most popular politician in the country. It only compares his popularity to other Senators, so the only thing that can be truthfully said is that, according to Morning Consult's online poll, he was the most popular of the Senators 3 months ago.

That doesn't include Joe Biden or any other politician in the country.

[LiberalLovinLug]

65. Not. The. Point.

I understand that you and a few others in here plus a hell of a lot of Republicans don't like him, but in spite of that he remains a very popular figure. And it is foolish for any Dem to turn their back on him when he is fighting in our corner.

[R B Garr]

66. That's laughable, because the Republicans don't dislike Bernie.

Trump was very concerned over how Bernie said the Democrats treated him and he brought it up a lot. I get it that you're just trying to make it sound like only 3 or 4 people don't like him, but the reality is that Hillary beat both male competitors by MILLIONS of votes.

[LiberalLovinLug]

68. You are confusing using Bernie as a pawn to get at Hillary, to actually liking and supporting him

Yes, Trump was 'very concerned". lol. I read a lot of posts in here saying how much crap Republicans would gladly throw at Sanders IF he had won the primaries. That it would pale in comparison to what they did to Hillary.
But you are right in one sense. At least they seem willing to work with him on some bills. Not so much for some Democrats in here.

[R B Garr]

69. According to all the current news and the actual FBI investigation, they targeted

his campaign because of the divisiveness, not to work with him. He was useful to their goal of dividing Democrats. So they certainly liked Bernie. It's wrong to say that the Republicans didn't like him.

[LiberalLovinLug]

70. You have a funny definition of "like"

[R B Garr]

71. Not really.

[riderinthestorm]

23. And Bernie even called the ACA by name!!!!!11! (Gasp!) nt

[CherokeeFiddle]

48. Imagine that!

[lancelyons]

25. Boy bernie supporters see his name and act like nobody else is on that letter.

It was 4 people that signed the letter.

3 democrats and bernie.

if bernie where a democrat, would it not be 4 democrats?

would the title of the article be "democrats just made a big move to kill ACA repeal"

why not say, "independents plus Schumer, Pelosi and Yarmuth make a big move...."

TheHill put the right title on this.... "Democratic leaders want full CBO analysis of ObamaCare repeal bill"

this is a waste of time (my post that is)

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. Your last line is correct

It is the inclusion of top Democrats plus Sanders that is the story. It was never about Sanders vs. Dems except for the ones making it about Sanders. Those that pick on him, find any out of context words they can muster together to discredit him. Reinterpret criticism of the parties strategies, as an "attack". While party members expressing the same concern are taken as legitimate.

It is the ongoing school yard childishness towards such an important ally of Democrats that is tiring. And so this document flies in the face of all of that silliness. That in the real world, top Democrats are more than willing to work with Sanders, and Sanders is with them.

[lancelyons]

43. I think you have it wrong... its seems to be more about saying Bernie is the savior..

I think you have it wrong... Bernie supporters seems to be more about saying Bernie is the savior..

i think Bernie is a great addition to the democratic party... however without Bernie the democrat party is ok.

Bernie is not the savior and fixer of the democratic party. He is just another cog in the wheel... although a fairly large cog.

[SunSeeker]

46. Bingo. nt

[pangaia]

47. " Bernie supporters seems to be more about saying Bernie is the savior.. "

That us not my impression.

But rather other people SAY Bernie supporters think of him as a savior.

[LiberalLovinLug]

51. Double Bingo!

[klook]

72. Please, it's Bernie's *fans* - not "supporters"

Other politicians have supporters. Sanders has *fans*. Or so I've been lectured a few times on DU.

[murielm99]

81. Actually, I think he has followers. n/t

[riversedge]

26. Does the CBO have to provide this analysis asked for by the Minority Party? McConnell had previousl

y asked for a shortened version. Just asking, as I really do not know.

[Hoyt]

30. They have to score it period, with or without a request from the minority party.

[Hoyt]

28. This is nice, but the Bill has to be scored by CBO. It's not an option and would be scored without

this request.

[Promee]

33. This

It has to be scored anyway.

This is not a "big move," which, in my mind, would be some sort of arcane parliamentary move to keep it from the floor until after the 30th, which would make the entire bill a moot point.

This article is deliberately hyperbolic.

[still_one]

37. Good, but from what I have read, the republicans behind this have already stated it doesn't matter

what the CBO says.

It will come down to the votes, and if the CBO is able to get a report out in time to influence that vote

[Bengus81]

49. That was my thinking,WHY the hell would any Republican care about a CBO score?

They already know the previous scores are DEATH to Americans when they lose all coverage. Did that stop them the first time the CBO scored? Nope...........

[JI7]

50. Its more about getting others to pressure them to not support it

People who could hurt their re- election

[zentrum]

40. And he did it

...while walking and chewing gum. Imagine!

The accusations about him have been ridiculous and just stirring a cauldron.

[lark]

54. God, I hope the vote doesn't happen prior to CBO score.

You can't appeal to Repugs humanity, because they have zilch and they just don't care. They are going to steal money from the poor's healthcare and give it to the rich, come hell and high water, which too many in Texas and FL are still enduring.

[Demsrule86]

62. Did it ever occur to you that the single payer bill is also a repeal bill of sorts...and undermines

the ACA and our chances of saving it...I promise you, that will be what the GOP will say...bad idea to put the single payer bill out now.

[CherokeeFiddle]

67. lol single payer isn't a repeal of the ACA

It's a great idea to put a single payer bill forward right now and I explained why.

[Honeycombe8]

64. Asking for a CBO score doesn't seem like a big move to me. It's the normal thing to do?

They don't have a legal basis to require it. So they just asked for it? Like they've done before?

[Demsrule86]

86. We also won't get it in time most likely.

Perhaps if we had put forth a bill to save the ACA with proper 'fixes' it might have helped instead of what is essentially a replacement bill for the ACA...Single Payer. it seems very foolish to put out a replacement bill during such a critical time in saving the ACA...especially when it has no chance at becoming law. It will be years if ever we have the votes for a different health care bill if we lose the ACA...maybe never...Single Payer will be used against us and may cost us the ACA...and possibly getting back the House...there is a reason why the GOP wants single payer scored by the CBO...the bill has no shot so it is quite easy to figure out.

[Honeycombe8]

88. The Dems are not going to get the healthcare bill they want, whatever it is.

Proposing single payer does not mean that Dems wouldn't work with the Repubs on a health care reform bill. But we all know that's a no-go. The Repubs want govt out of it, and return to free market. The Dems will not agree to that.

Still, McCain, Graham, and some Dems have said they'd work together. Looks like they're not going to, though, with this bill on the table.

As for fixing the ACA, I don't see that happening. The Dems don't even have a list of what's wrong with it. You can't "fix" something if you don't know what needs fixing.

You could list what's wrong with the ACA, and I could. I guarantee you that our two lists would not be the same. I don't see the Repubs agreeing to "fix" it, either. Their list of what's wrong with it includes the govt being involved as the reason for what's ailing it.

I think proposing single payer is the way to go, as well as continuing to speak about fixing the ACA. But so far, I don't see a list of what's wrong with the ACA, or good ideas on how to "fix" it.

It's not an either-or. But the Dems are not in control, so.....

[flamingdem]

73. It's like a football game in extra minutes

godawful ..

[leftofcool]

74. Sorry, this is standard operating procedure, not a Bernie moment

[ChubbyStar]

79. But he played a part

Does that really upset your cool?

[ucrdem]

75. Hey that's great. I knew Pelosi would pull it out.

And yes a big thanks to the other signers including Sanders.

[spanone]

76. K&R...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Thank you all... now can we give Bernie a break? Please!

[underthematrix]

82. The title of this post alone is the most awesome thing EVAR!

"Democrats AND Bernie Sanders . . .

The rest is pretty good too

[PdxSean]

85. Factoid.

According to Politico, Obamacare repeal plan won’t get full CBO analysis by key deadline and Senate Republicans could hold a vote on the bill without knowing how it would affect health insurance coverage or premiums.

More at the link:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/18/obamacare-repeal-lindsey-graham-bill-cassidy-cbo-242841

[workinclasszero]

87. WTG Democrats And Bernie Sanders!