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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKirsten Gillibrand cites Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as leaders of The Democratic Party.
still_one
(91,945 posts)had after the election, so sorry Senator Gillibrand, Senator Sanders is not a leader of the Democratic party.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)See that handsome guy at the bottom in the screenshot of The Senate Democratic Party Leadership page? That would be Bernard Sanders, Chairman of Democratic Outreach. I'll thank you to speak of him with the respect afforded a duly appointed member of our Democratic Leadership.
still_one
(91,945 posts)far as I am concerned the leaders of the Democratic Party do NOT run away from the Democratic label
Cornell West was on the DNC rules committee, and then Cornell West promptly endorsed Jill Stein for President.
If Senator Sanders wants to identify with the Democratic label, I will change my view, until then, forget it
pangaia
(24,324 posts)So what?
What does that have to do with anything?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Then.... he's the leader of something he doesn't want to be labeled as?
Courage of one's convictions, indeed...
brer cat
(24,401 posts)it is not something you can compel.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...what someone in that position does?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd pretend ignorance if were accurate too. Our biases get better mileage as such.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)What?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)My wife is waiting in the car for me, we're off to the Mystic Aquarium. They have a fascinating new sea lion exhibit.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Have fun, I know how much you enjoy sea lions!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lion
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hassan, rather a way of giving him stature he wants and helping him draw people into the party -- if he chooses to honor the deal he made with the party leadership to help build the party. Not that they could really have expected him to, but likely his need to not cut off the budget the party allows him helps keep him from becoming far worse.
You need to understand, Hassan, that he and those followers who are, like him, from the anti-Democratic Party fringe are vastly outnumbered by more mainstream Democrats of all types, all interest groups. They can't win in the party and they can't start their own party because those like them have tried it many times before and always failed -- for the same reasons we see happening now.
Left-wing zealots always develop (usually fatal) disagreements with others of the group they're part of.
Intragroup squabbling is the norm for them, and so now it's entirely normal for them to abandon all America's giant, critical issues to squabble with the greater Democratic Party over the healthcare system we finally proudly developed after over 70 years of struggle. It's not about single payer, it's about who gets to lead and who is required to fall in line behind their leader.
Sigh...
murielm99
(30,656 posts)1000%.
George II
(67,782 posts)...think it is.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)a very 'minor' leader of a minor faction of the Democratic Party....
He said loudly and definitively he's not a Dem. He is no leader. Rather, he's dividing us all.
ProfessorPlum
(11,252 posts)Do you have short term memory loss?
Because nobody gives a crap about it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Heddi
(18,312 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You know how that is.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I always liked Gillibrand.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The senators are too busy uniting to fight the GOP to worry about who endorsed whom last year, and I agree with them, there's too much at stake to obsess over the past.
I stand with Senators Gillibrand, Warren and Sanders!
Onward!
hueymahl
(2,415 posts)Wish we would all stop fighting the last primary.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's time to let it go, wallowing in the past is futile.
melman
(7,681 posts)Clearly this is a very wise person you couldn't possibly disagree with. She must be right.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)You were trying to invalidate her statement in some way by pointing to her past position.
Unfortunately the logic doesn't work.
If anything, her endorsement of Hillary gives the statement even more weight. Because we can see she's not a 'bro'
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...of each house, and also 24 Democratic Senators running for re-election, and also herself, she didn't leave very many out of being "Leadership".
She's great, most New Yorkers think so. I'm really glad Governor Patterson appointed her when Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State, and she has been re-elected twice with overwhelming margins.
The funny thing is that when she first ran for the House, she was considered conservative and beholden to corporations. Funny how labels never work out and are really not always valid.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(143,999 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #24)
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)That is one great post
Autumn
(44,748 posts)to share the same semi protected status as other Dems. Maybe he will consider changing it for you .
johnp3907
(3,723 posts)The Polack MSgt
(13,159 posts)Back when i wrote situation reports (Sireps) we used a short hand for inventory of expendables
Green - plenty
Yellow - enough on hand for 5 days
Red - critical shortage. 1 day or less on hand.
Black - none
Orcrist is officially Black on f#%$ to give.
I agree
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)It's amazing what a recent book by a good Democrat, Hillary Clinton, has caused. I'm so glad she is speaking out, and I'm glad she's proud to be a Democrat.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Great post. Thank you. Some of us have been trying to say the same thing (to no avail, of course) since the General Election cycle.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's can't be "divisive" simply to say anything positive about the guy.
brer cat
(24,401 posts)KTM
(1,823 posts)And should be an embarrassment to everyone who replied with a thumbs up.
That it has been alerted on multiple times and stood is a testament to exactly what was said in THIS thread.
Had a less-than-a-hundred-post poster come in here, and identified any subset of Clinton voters - or any other individual Democratic politician's supporters, and said:
or
or
or
or
Any single one of those posts would have been swarmed and hidden INSTANTLY. And rightfully so. The poster would be well on his way to a tombstone, PPR'd or sentenced by MIRT. We all know this.
I see the band is all here, double thumbs-ing up in a brilliant united stand of hypocrisy. Not one of you will admit it, but each of you knows, had ONE NAME been changed in that repulsive post, EVERY one of you would have alerted or voted to hide were you on the jury. Every single one of you.
Disgusting hypocrisy, on display by many, with no shame. Every one of you should be laughed at if you speak of "unity" again.
LostOne4Ever
(9,267 posts)And should be an embarrassment to everyone who replied with a thumbs up.
That it has been alerted on multiple times and stood is a testament to exactly what was said in THIS thread.
Had a less-than-a-hundred-post poster come in here, and identified any subset of Clinton voters - or any other individual Democratic politician's supporters, and said:
"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Hillary's ass..."
or
"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Pelosi's ass..."
or
"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Kamala's ass..."
or
"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Biden's ass..."
or
"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Obama's ass..."
Any single one of those posts would have been swarmed and hidden INSTANTLY. And rightfully so. The poster would be well on his way to a tombstone, PPR'd or sentenced by MIRT. We all know this.
I see the band is all here, double thumbs-ing up in a brilliant united stand of hypocrisy. Not one of you will admit it, but each of you knows, had ONE NAME been changed in that repulsive post, EVERY one of you would have alerted or voted to hide were you on the jury. Every single one of you.
Disgusting hypocrisy, on display by many, with no shame. Every one of you should be laughed at if you speak of "unity" again.
Quoting for Truth!
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)We all know that this is the way it is these days, and I don't know how many times we have to say that pissing off other DEMOCRATS is not the smartest move when we have so much more we should be fighting---like that orange baboon in the WH. When will this end?
OnDoutside
(19,906 posts)on the Democratic supporter side, that is not being helped by calling the Democratic Party a disaster. It's like I was invited into your house, and proceeded to say the house was a disaster, you wouldn't find me living there, and needed to be ripped apart !
At the very least, it's disrespectful to your hosts.
Jurors who didn't vote to hide should be ashamed of themselves, too.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)A large amount of DUers disagree with the admins in terms of whether Sanders should be afforded the same protections here as we would afford elected Democrats.
It's the admins' website and they can take whatever actions they want to take, but when rank and file DUers adjudicate jury results, they are making their preference on that score pretty clear.
I'm no fan of Bernies's but I've also never been a fan of the jury system and this is no exception. The jury system means that many of the admins rules can be nullified and thus are unenforceable, or worse, erratically and/or unfairly enforced. This would not be an issue under the old
Mod system. The mods would get their marching orders from the admins and would have removed posts like these that conflicted with the admins rules, regardless of whether or not a majority of DUers liked the post.
I expected this posters post to be hidden even though I agreed with the sentiment.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)for getting rid of the jury system and going back to mods. Admin have made it clear that Sanders is to be considered a Democrat on this site, but too many haters inject their rules on juries, which goes against the admins. It is a shame.
KTM
(1,823 posts)There are many people here who do not posess the character nor honesty required to serve on a jury, and they have broken our system of moderation.
There are also many people here who are blatant and obvious hypocrites.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to set that aside and be fair jurors ends up being too much. I have had three pretty ridiculous hides overturned by the admins and it is clear that I am being targeted for being a Hillary supporter.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)To DU.
KTM
(1,823 posts)Anyone who gave this post a thumbs up or a +1, anyone on a jury who let it slide - all should be embarassed. This wasnt even a close call, it was clearly overboard. As I said before, if ONE NAME had been changed it would have vanished in moments, and everyone here knows that.
At least we can all easily witness a few who lack the character to serve on juries here.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)This can't be said often enough.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Who do you consider the leader of the Democratic party right now?
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And those are 4 of the very few Democratic leaders I trust right now.
George II
(67,782 posts)....24 Democrats including herself, who are campaigning for re-election, and Sanders as being "out there" talking about issues.
Basically she included more than half the current Democratic Senators. Bottom line, she "cited" dozens of Democrats.
Bad Thoughts
(2,514 posts)Congressional leaders, Sander and Warren, and other senators--LIKE HERSELF. She tries to give an inclusive answer that looks humble.
George II
(67,782 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)I predict a lot of concern-posting to come from Brock's paid shill influence campaigners posing as journalists.
But back to Spandan, nobody is allowed to do anything but bash Bernie loudly and often in the Spandan Chakrabarti's little gangrenous, cancerous pragprog world at those idiotic websites.
So glad he is repeatedly banned on here but too bad the guy and his obtuse minnions turn up like bad ghosts every few months to stir the pot. Don't look now...
Autumn
(44,748 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)How about the hurricane Maria, eh?
George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I stand with Senators Gillibrand, Warren and Sanders!
George II
(67,782 posts)Promee
(69 posts)One of my great qualifications is that I'm not a Republican the same way Bernie isn't a Democrat.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)It being Bernie making a move
MuseRider
(34,057 posts)Now YOU are being divisive by posting an actual news clip of a Democrat who probably does not even know she is supposed to hate him.
Shame on you for being such a divisive figure. Only recent news clips of other people not mentioning the horrible one are allowed here, there are not enough couches.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Twenty spanks with a wet lasagna noodle!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That BUT indicates that he's something other than a Democratic leader, BUT that he is out there, talking about big ideas.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)She said he's out there talking about his ideas. Every politician does that.
samnsara
(17,570 posts)..at least lets hope not. we need NEW and YOUNG blood. The campaign is a grueling process do we want the GOP to post more pix of our candidates looking tired, falling, faltering. This is not an older persons
race to run...and I'm just the same age as they and in pretty good shape. I mean if Secretariat was still alive no way would they have him race again...no matter how GOOD HE WAS! He would spend his golden years in the pasture with all those fillies.
Ive noticed some up and coming young great politicians....and in a cpl years I am sure one of them will emerge that we can ALL stand behind..
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)she was one of only 4 Democrats to actually vote against that $700 billion military budget bill.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and then she adds that Bernie and Liz are "talking about" big things.
Well, sure they are. Good for them.