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Kirsten Gillibrand cites Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as leaders of The Democratic Party. (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 OP
Senator Sanders chose to disassociate himself with the Democratic party at the first opportunity he still_one Sep 2017 #1
Being in the Leadership of The Senate Democrats is not "disassociating" oneself from The Party. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #5
Sanders' made it clear he did NOT want to be labelled as a Democrat. That is a fact. As still_one Sep 2017 #6
Sanders' made it clear he did NOT want to be labelled as a Democrat. That is a fact.. pangaia Sep 2017 #37
Then.... he's the leader of something he doesn't want to be labeled as? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #54
Respect is something that is earned, brer cat Sep 2017 #8
Do you know what "Chairman of Outreach" means, and what that chairman does? George II Sep 2017 #18
Huh? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #20
You posted a screen shot of Sanders' "leadership position". Do you know... George II Sep 2017 #27
Yes, he's in a leadership position. Not sure what your question is. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #30
Simple: "Do you know what "Chairman of Outreach" means, and what that chairman does?" George II Sep 2017 #40
What? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #41
I think you know "what". George II Sep 2017 #44
Huh? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #46
I'd pretend ignorance if were accurate too. Our biases get better mileage as such. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #58
What? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #98
I don't. What? beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #50
Ask Hassan. George II Sep 2017 #64
It's Hassin and he doesn't know either. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #66
I hear they can also be very active on the internet. George II Sep 2017 #82
They created a separate little position for him that's not in line for real leadership, Hortensis Sep 2017 #28
I agree... murielm99 Sep 2017 #38
I'm pretty sure it was a position they created for him, and it's not the position that many people.. George II Sep 2017 #45
at the stage heaven05 Sep 2017 #59
AGREE onetexan Sep 2017 #14
Did you just remember this fact? ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #52
Nice swipe at HRC in the footer there. Doing Putins work for him. bettyellen Sep 2017 #2
And under the bus she goes Heddi Sep 2017 #3
! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #10
Bless your heart. George II Sep 2017 #19
No, bless your heart! Y'all come back now, y'hear? beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #25
You're too kind, and welcome back. George II Sep 2017 #32
Thanks! The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster keeps me busy. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #35
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #42
I can hear the teeth gnashing. CentralMass Sep 2017 #4
Yep. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #31
Did you like her when she decisively and enthusiastically endorsed Hillary in the primaries? lunamagica Sep 2017 #43
Bazinga! George II Sep 2017 #47
Yup lunamagica Sep 2017 #49
Did she? That's nice but obviously Senator Gillibrand has moved on. Maybe we all should? beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #48
+1 hueymahl Sep 2017 #65
Agreed. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #68
Well then melman Sep 2017 #56
Bazinga! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #60
She can't back Hillary anymore. But obviously Sanders wasn't her first choice lunamagica Sep 2017 #62
That's irrelevant melman Sep 2017 #76
So you think she was right choosing Hillary? lunamagica Sep 2017 #83
Inasmuch as she mentioned Congressional leadership, which includes three or four members.... George II Sep 2017 #72
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #7
ILY NurseJackie Sep 2017 #9
Great post Gothmog Sep 2017 #11
Holy shit! What he said! leftofcool Sep 2017 #12
This is actually at least the second time we've seen this very video here in GD on DU today. George II Sep 2017 #17
Before your post gets adjudicated I want to say, Yes, yes, 1000 times, YES! nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #21
Lol. You ain't the boss of this website. And, as far as the rules go, Bernie is a Democratic figure. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #24
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #34
jesus on a stick.... pangaia Sep 2017 #39
Holy Mackerel Me. Sep 2017 #29
You should take it up with the admins in ATA. They are the ones who allow Bernie Autumn Sep 2017 #36
++ heaven05 Sep 2017 #61
Well said. johnp3907 Sep 2017 #73
Oh my. This is everything. The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #74
++++++great post! R B Garr Sep 2017 #75
+ a million NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #77
It wasn't a "Bernie is God" post. It was, as I read it, simply a "Bernie's on OUR side" post. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #79
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ brer cat Sep 2017 #80
That this post stands is an embarrassment to DU KTM Sep 2017 #85
You nailed it exactly! LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #86
Truth. I Rec this comment! Curmudgeoness Sep 2017 #87
And I want to rec your comment ! There's a raw feeling still OnDoutside Sep 2017 #91
Exactly this Rob H. Sep 2017 #88
I think that makes one thing pretty clear stevenleser Sep 2017 #89
You make a good argument Curmudgeoness Sep 2017 #94
It makes two things clear. KTM Sep 2017 #95
I have noticed that from both "sides". I think given the acrimony of primaries, asking people stevenleser Sep 2017 #96
I guess an alert on a different basis was successful so no embarassment stevenleser Sep 2017 #97
There is plenty to go around. KTM Sep 2017 #99
Good post. murielm99 Sep 2017 #90
Oh my! JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #93
Except, he isn't leftofcool Sep 2017 #13
Who is? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #23
Adam Schiff, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Swalwell leftofcool Sep 2017 #63
This was posted about 8 AM this morning - she mentioned "Congressional Leaders of course" and the.. George II Sep 2017 #15
Her answer is cagier than people think Bad Thoughts Sep 2017 #16
She included (or should I say "cited"?) roughly 30 Democrats, funny how that gets forgotten! George II Sep 2017 #78
Look for Gillibrand to go under the David Brock bus now and for the Spandan swarm to turn on her Turn CO Blue Sep 2017 #22
Is he back spamming his site? Autumn Sep 2017 #69
Well this will anger quite a few CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #26
FYI, this is more than a snippet of a few seconds: George II Sep 2017 #33
Hey thanks! I rec'd that one too! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #51
And the Congressional leaders and the 24 other Democrats who are running for re-election? George II Sep 2017 #55
So I can be a GOP leader? Promee Sep 2017 #53
It's happening! Not Ruth Sep 2017 #57
LOL MuseRider Sep 2017 #67
Bad op! Bad! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #71
No, she didn't. When asked the question she mentioned the "Democratic leaders" and then she said, pnwmom Sep 2017 #70
Exactly, she really didn't say what is being suggested. R B Garr Sep 2017 #81
well...MAYBE......... liz cuz shes a dem...but NONE of these ppl will run.. samnsara Sep 2017 #84
Kick and Rec Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #92
And... HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #100
She said, "First we have our Congressional leaders, of course. But I think," pnwmom Sep 2017 #101

still_one

(91,945 posts)
1. Senator Sanders chose to disassociate himself with the Democratic party at the first opportunity he
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:22 PM
Sep 2017

had after the election, so sorry Senator Gillibrand, Senator Sanders is not a leader of the Democratic party.


Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
5. Being in the Leadership of The Senate Democrats is not "disassociating" oneself from The Party.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:35 PM
Sep 2017

See that handsome guy at the bottom in the screenshot of The Senate Democratic Party Leadership page? That would be Bernard Sanders, Chairman of Democratic Outreach. I'll thank you to speak of him with the respect afforded a duly appointed member of our Democratic Leadership.




still_one

(91,945 posts)
6. Sanders' made it clear he did NOT want to be labelled as a Democrat. That is a fact. As
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:43 PM
Sep 2017

far as I am concerned the leaders of the Democratic Party do NOT run away from the Democratic label

Cornell West was on the DNC rules committee, and then Cornell West promptly endorsed Jill Stein for President.

If Senator Sanders wants to identify with the Democratic label, I will change my view, until then, forget it

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. Sanders' made it clear he did NOT want to be labelled as a Democrat. That is a fact..
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:57 PM
Sep 2017

So what?
What does that have to do with anything?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. Then.... he's the leader of something he doesn't want to be labeled as?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

Then.... he's the leader of something he doesn't want to be labeled as?

Courage of one's convictions, indeed...

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. You posted a screen shot of Sanders' "leadership position". Do you know...
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:43 PM
Sep 2017

...what someone in that position does?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
58. I'd pretend ignorance if were accurate too. Our biases get better mileage as such.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:30 PM
Sep 2017

I'd pretend ignorance if were accurate too. Our biases get better mileage as such.

George II

(67,782 posts)
64. Ask Hassan.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:52 PM
Sep 2017

My wife is waiting in the car for me, we're off to the Mystic Aquarium. They have a fascinating new sea lion exhibit.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
66. It's Hassin and he doesn't know either.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:56 PM
Sep 2017

Have fun, I know how much you enjoy sea lions!

Sea lions are sea mammals characterized by external ear flaps, long foreflippers, the ability to walk on all fours, and short, thick hair, big chest and belly. Together with the fur seals, they comprise the family Otariidae, eared seals, which contains six extant and one extinct species (the Japanese sea lion) in five genera. Their range extends from the subarctic to tropical waters of the global ocean in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, with the notable exception of the northern Atlantic Ocean.[1] They have an average lifespan of 20–30 years. A male California sea lion weighs on average about 300 kg (660 lb) and is about 8 ft (2.4 m) long, while the female sea lion weighs 100 kg (220 lb) and is 6 ft (1.8 m) long. The largest sea lion is Steller's sea lion, which can weigh 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) and grow to a length of 10 ft (3.0 m). Sea lions consume large quantities of food at a time and are known to eat about 5–8% of their body weight (about 15–35 lb (6.8–15.9 kg)) at a single feeding.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lion


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. They created a separate little position for him that's not in line for real leadership,
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:44 PM
Sep 2017

Hassan, rather a way of giving him stature he wants and helping him draw people into the party -- if he chooses to honor the deal he made with the party leadership to help build the party. Not that they could really have expected him to, but likely his need to not cut off the budget the party allows him helps keep him from becoming far worse.

You need to understand, Hassan, that he and those followers who are, like him, from the anti-Democratic Party fringe are vastly outnumbered by more mainstream Democrats of all types, all interest groups. They can't win in the party and they can't start their own party because those like them have tried it many times before and always failed -- for the same reasons we see happening now.

Left-wing zealots always develop (usually fatal) disagreements with others of the group they're part of.

Intragroup squabbling is the norm for them, and so now it's entirely normal for them to abandon all America's giant, critical issues to squabble with the greater Democratic Party over the healthcare system we finally proudly developed after over 70 years of struggle. It's not about single payer, it's about who gets to lead and who is required to fall in line behind their leader.

Sigh...

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. I'm pretty sure it was a position they created for him, and it's not the position that many people..
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:18 PM
Sep 2017

...think it is.

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
14. AGREE
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:32 PM
Sep 2017

He said loudly and definitively he's not a Dem. He is no leader. Rather, he's dividing us all.

ProfessorPlum

(11,252 posts)
52. Did you just remember this fact?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:23 PM
Sep 2017

Do you have short term memory loss?

Because nobody gives a crap about it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
48. Did she? That's nice but obviously Senator Gillibrand has moved on. Maybe we all should?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:20 PM
Sep 2017

The senators are too busy uniting to fight the GOP to worry about who endorsed whom last year, and I agree with them, there's too much at stake to obsess over the past.

I stand with Senators Gillibrand, Warren and Sanders!

Onward!

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
56. Well then
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

Clearly this is a very wise person you couldn't possibly disagree with. She must be right.



 

melman

(7,681 posts)
76. That's irrelevant
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:13 PM
Sep 2017

You were trying to invalidate her statement in some way by pointing to her past position.


Unfortunately the logic doesn't work.


If anything, her endorsement of Hillary gives the statement even more weight. Because we can see she's not a 'bro'

George II

(67,782 posts)
72. Inasmuch as she mentioned Congressional leadership, which includes three or four members....
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:01 PM
Sep 2017

...of each house, and also 24 Democratic Senators running for re-election, and also herself, she didn't leave very many out of being "Leadership".

She's great, most New Yorkers think so. I'm really glad Governor Patterson appointed her when Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State, and she has been re-elected twice with overwhelming margins.

The funny thing is that when she first ran for the House, she was considered conservative and beholden to corporations. Funny how labels never work out and are really not always valid.

Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #24)

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
36. You should take it up with the admins in ATA. They are the ones who allow Bernie
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:55 PM
Sep 2017

to share the same semi protected status as other Dems. Maybe he will consider changing it for you .

The Polack MSgt

(13,159 posts)
74. Oh my. This is everything.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:05 PM
Sep 2017

Back when i wrote situation reports (Sireps) we used a short hand for inventory of expendables
Green - plenty
Yellow - enough on hand for 5 days
Red - critical shortage. 1 day or less on hand.
Black - none

Orcrist is officially Black on f#€%$ to give.

I agree

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
75. ++++++great post!
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:09 PM
Sep 2017


It's amazing what a recent book by a good Democrat, Hillary Clinton, has caused. I'm so glad she is speaking out, and I'm glad she's proud to be a Democrat.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
77. + a million
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:16 PM
Sep 2017

Great post. Thank you. Some of us have been trying to say the same thing (to no avail, of course) since the General Election cycle.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
79. It wasn't a "Bernie is God" post. It was, as I read it, simply a "Bernie's on OUR side" post.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:44 PM
Sep 2017

It's can't be "divisive" simply to say anything positive about the guy.

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
85. That this post stands is an embarrassment to DU
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:00 PM
Sep 2017

And should be an embarrassment to everyone who replied with a thumbs up.

That it has been alerted on multiple times and stood is a testament to exactly what was said in THIS thread.

Had a less-than-a-hundred-post poster come in here, and identified any subset of Clinton voters - or any other individual Democratic politician's supporters, and said:

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Hillary's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Pelosi's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Kamala's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Biden's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Obama's ass..."


Any single one of those posts would have been swarmed and hidden INSTANTLY. And rightfully so. The poster would be well on his way to a tombstone, PPR'd or sentenced by MIRT. We all know this.

I see the band is all here, double thumbs-ing up in a brilliant united stand of hypocrisy. Not one of you will admit it, but each of you knows, had ONE NAME been changed in that repulsive post, EVERY one of you would have alerted or voted to hide were you on the jury. Every single one of you.

Disgusting hypocrisy, on display by many, with no shame. Every one of you should be laughed at if you speak of "unity" again.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
86. You nailed it exactly!
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 09:44 PM
Sep 2017
That this post stands is an embarrassment to DU

And should be an embarrassment to everyone who replied with a thumbs up.

That it has been alerted on multiple times and stood is a testament to exactly what was said in THIS thread.

Had a less-than-a-hundred-post poster come in here, and identified any subset of Clinton voters - or any other individual Democratic politician's supporters, and said:

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Hillary's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Pelosi's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Kamala's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Biden's ass..."


or

"Go form your own website. Hell you can have contests on your new forum to see who can get their tongues far enough up Obama's ass..."


Any single one of those posts would have been swarmed and hidden INSTANTLY. And rightfully so. The poster would be well on his way to a tombstone, PPR'd or sentenced by MIRT. We all know this.

I see the band is all here, double thumbs-ing up in a brilliant united stand of hypocrisy. Not one of you will admit it, but each of you knows, had ONE NAME been changed in that repulsive post, EVERY one of you would have alerted or voted to hide were you on the jury. Every single one of you.

Disgusting hypocrisy, on display by many, with no shame. Every one of you should be laughed at if you speak of "unity" again.


Quoting for Truth!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
87. Truth. I Rec this comment!
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:01 PM
Sep 2017

We all know that this is the way it is these days, and I don't know how many times we have to say that pissing off other DEMOCRATS is not the smartest move when we have so much more we should be fighting---like that orange baboon in the WH. When will this end?

OnDoutside

(19,906 posts)
91. And I want to rec your comment ! There's a raw feeling still
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:35 AM
Sep 2017

on the Democratic supporter side, that is not being helped by calling the Democratic Party a disaster. It's like I was invited into your house, and proceeded to say the house was a disaster, you wouldn't find me living there, and needed to be ripped apart !

At the very least, it's disrespectful to your hosts.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
89. I think that makes one thing pretty clear
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:10 AM
Sep 2017

A large amount of DUers disagree with the admins in terms of whether Sanders should be afforded the same protections here as we would afford elected Democrats.

It's the admins' website and they can take whatever actions they want to take, but when rank and file DUers adjudicate jury results, they are making their preference on that score pretty clear.

I'm no fan of Bernies's but I've also never been a fan of the jury system and this is no exception. The jury system means that many of the admins rules can be nullified and thus are unenforceable, or worse, erratically and/or unfairly enforced. This would not be an issue under the old
Mod system. The mods would get their marching orders from the admins and would have removed posts like these that conflicted with the admins rules, regardless of whether or not a majority of DUers liked the post.

I expected this posters post to be hidden even though I agreed with the sentiment.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
94. You make a good argument
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:05 PM
Sep 2017

for getting rid of the jury system and going back to mods. Admin have made it clear that Sanders is to be considered a Democrat on this site, but too many haters inject their rules on juries, which goes against the admins. It is a shame.

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
95. It makes two things clear.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:21 PM
Sep 2017

There are many people here who do not posess the character nor honesty required to serve on a jury, and they have broken our system of moderation.

There are also many people here who are blatant and obvious hypocrites.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
96. I have noticed that from both "sides". I think given the acrimony of primaries, asking people
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 08:15 PM
Sep 2017

to set that aside and be fair jurors ends up being too much. I have had three pretty ridiculous hides overturned by the admins and it is clear that I am being targeted for being a Hillary supporter.

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
99. There is plenty to go around.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 10:38 PM
Sep 2017

Anyone who gave this post a thumbs up or a +1, anyone on a jury who let it slide - all should be embarassed. This wasnt even a close call, it was clearly overboard. As I said before, if ONE NAME had been changed it would have vanished in moments, and everyone here knows that.

At least we can all easily witness a few who lack the character to serve on juries here.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
63. Adam Schiff, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Swalwell
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:44 PM
Sep 2017

And those are 4 of the very few Democratic leaders I trust right now.

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. This was posted about 8 AM this morning - she mentioned "Congressional Leaders of course" and the..
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:33 PM
Sep 2017

....24 Democrats including herself, who are campaigning for re-election, and Sanders as being "out there" talking about issues.

Basically she included more than half the current Democratic Senators. Bottom line, she "cited" dozens of Democrats.

Bad Thoughts

(2,514 posts)
16. Her answer is cagier than people think
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:33 PM
Sep 2017

Congressional leaders, Sander and Warren, and other senators--LIKE HERSELF. She tries to give an inclusive answer that looks humble.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
22. Look for Gillibrand to go under the David Brock bus now and for the Spandan swarm to turn on her
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 03:39 PM
Sep 2017

I predict a lot of concern-posting to come from Brock's paid shill influence campaigners posing as journalists.

But back to Spandan, nobody is allowed to do anything but bash Bernie loudly and often in the Spandan Chakrabarti's little gangrenous, cancerous pragprog world at those idiotic websites.

So glad he is repeatedly banned on here but too bad the guy and his obtuse minnions turn up like bad ghosts every few months to stir the pot. Don't look now...



 

Promee

(69 posts)
53. So I can be a GOP leader?
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:27 PM
Sep 2017

One of my great qualifications is that I'm not a Republican the same way Bernie isn't a Democrat.

MuseRider

(34,057 posts)
67. LOL
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 04:59 PM
Sep 2017

Now YOU are being divisive by posting an actual news clip of a Democrat who probably does not even know she is supposed to hate him.

Shame on you for being such a divisive figure. Only recent news clips of other people not mentioning the horrible one are allowed here, there are not enough couches.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
70. No, she didn't. When asked the question she mentioned the "Democratic leaders" and then she said,
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:01 PM
Sep 2017
"BUT I think Senator Sanders is out there, talking about big ideas. . . "

That BUT indicates that he's something other than a Democratic leader, BUT that he is out there, talking about big ideas.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
81. Exactly, she really didn't say what is being suggested.
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:48 PM
Sep 2017

She said he's out there talking about his ideas. Every politician does that.

samnsara

(17,570 posts)
84. well...MAYBE......... liz cuz shes a dem...but NONE of these ppl will run..
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 06:32 PM
Sep 2017

..at least lets hope not. we need NEW and YOUNG blood. The campaign is a grueling process do we want the GOP to post more pix of our candidates looking tired, falling, faltering. This is not an older persons
race to run...and I'm just the same age as they and in pretty good shape. I mean if Secretariat was still alive no way would they have him race again...no matter how GOOD HE WAS! He would spend his golden years in the pasture with all those fillies.

Ive noticed some up and coming young great politicians....and in a cpl years I am sure one of them will emerge that we can ALL stand behind..

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
101. She said, "First we have our Congressional leaders, of course. But I think,"
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:50 AM
Sep 2017

and then she adds that Bernie and Liz are "talking about" big things.

Well, sure they are. Good for them.

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