Trump still popular in MI,WI and PA

[helpisontheway]

I was watching Morning Joe and they mentioned an article on 538. What the hell is wrong with these people?? Trump is an absolute disaster and they still support him. His disapproval numbers in those states barely moved. I don't understand it. Dems can't win without those states. If he does not resign or get impeached we might be stuck with this idiot until 2020. Please save us Mueller..Let the evidence be so strong that Congress can't ignore it.

[Solly Mack]

1. Probably a point of contentious pride for some of them.

Some people get that way when they're being mocked for being stupid. I laugh harder the more steadfast in their ignorance they become.

Some people are hopelessly - terminally - willfully ignorant. (and proud of it)

Some actually think that it's OK if they are harmed in the process because at least Liberals are pissed. It's as if they think they are somehow getting the last laugh. You know - Yeah, I'm jobless, got no health care, my water is tainted, my air is polluted, but look how upset the Liberals are! ...then they laugh.

The idiots.

[lordsummerisle]

10. I've seen this

I was reading a right-wing blog the other day (shudder) and the fact that liberals were upset seemed to be of paramount importance...

[dhill926]

35. pretty much nailed it....

tribal instinct at it's worst...

[BeyondGeography]

2. Once we stop replaying the 2016 election things will change

They still prefer him to the alternative.

[uponit7771]

3. That's not true, 538 has him net negative in those states... he's just LESS negative than others

... on MI, WI and PA

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-popularity-has-dipped-most-in-red-states/

[greeny2323]

5. Cool

Why are DUers watching cable news other than Rachel and Lawrence?

[uponit7771]

6. To not be in the amen corner wingers are stuck in, wingers SERIOUSLY don't look at any other

... news sources than the CeC.

Its also good to get ahead of the stupid they see and be able to reply with facts but we don't have to go as far as thinking they're credible sources of reality.

[brush]

53. Don Lemon is worth a watch on CNN, especially when Kornacki is gesticulating away...

on MSNBC (God is he annoying).

Lemon has taken many stands against trump and calls repugs on their lies and talking points.

Rachel, Lawrence and Joy Reid (she should have a prime time show) are of course still the go-to hosts though.

[dembotoz]

4. Seems they feel he speaks to them and we don't

Pretty damn simple
Obama recovery did not extend there.
Is Wisconsin some of that lack of recovery is walkers fault...but they blame us not the gop

[uponit7771]

7. The Obama recover did extend to those states and the rural areas to a large degree relative ...

... to the dip they saw post Bush.

People who are privileged think equality is oppression and the white rural areas weren't the economically marginalized as people like MJ want people to believe

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/16/economic-marginalization-reality-check/

Some data allow us to put the economic marginalization of these groups into perspective. A glance at the latest unemployment numbers shows this struggle. In October 2016, overall unemployment sat at 4.9 percent, while unemployment for white Americans edged down to 4.3 percent. Last month, however, black unemployment stood at 8.6 percent and unemployment among Latinos was 5.7 percent.

It was plane tribalism that drew most of these people to Benedict Donald not an economic message

[lunasun]

43. ++Thanks for some real numbers here !!

[MFM008]

48. Yes he's a blithering

Mongrel idiot.
He squeals for them allright.

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. Wrong.

Obama recovery spread everywhere, what you said is a rightwing talking point.

[LonePirate]

8. Racism combined with ignorance is destroying America.

[dawg]

9. Of course we want to win in those states, but it isn't true that we couldn't win without them.

Florida, plus one other (NC, AZ, or GA) and we are there.

And while MI, WI, PA (and OH and IA) have been trending redder, AZ, TX and GA have been trending bluer.

Trump's margin in Texas was narrower than his margin in Iowa. And he didn't even make it to 51% in Georgia.

[lunasun]

47. I live in northern Illinois and agree . Let's look to NV, AZ, Tx, GA etc.

I don't know about PA but WI and MI have dramatically changed in my lifetime
Large parts are dangerously crazy with the white fever

[awesomerwb1]

49. Texas is not close to "there" yet

Texas won't be purpleish until 2028 at least in my opinion (I'm stuck here for the moment).

The states you mentioned trending "bluer" still have a ways to go to vote blue consistently. Meanwhile MI,WI, PA are already reddish.

[dawg]

50. Florida and NC both went for Obama in 2008.

Win just those two, and MI, WI, and PA are no longer essential.

And with Georgia and Arizona potentially in play, there are other paths to victory as well.

Not saying that MI, WI, and PA aren't important. But they are far from being the only states that matter.

[awesomerwb1]

55. You're right

and maybe FL, NC will become more consistently blue if the nutty people there realize climate change is real and the gop will only make things worse. May be wishful thinking, who knows.

[yardwork]

11. I have relatives in MI. They believe an alternate reality.

Their Facebook feeds deliver literal fake news to them every day. They believe that Trump saved those cats after the hurricane. They believe that he's done a wonderful job as president and has greatly improved the nation's economy and security. They listen to AM radio in their cars and occasionally watch Fox News. That's it. They don't read newspapers other than their local rural weekly. They don't read books.

They believe that Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya and almost destroyed the U.S. They believe that Trump is saving us all, even the idiot liberals who don't know any better.

They're extremely racist. They have a lot of weapons in preparation for the coming war. They believe that Muslims are organizing to take over the country, teamed up with gangs. They're afraid of cities. They live in an alternate reality.

[enough]

12. Yikes. NT

[yardwork]

17. Yeah. This is what we're up against.

[Ohiya]

13. "They're afraid of cities"

Good Line!

You don't hear that very often and I think that it is very true.

[yardwork]

16. And, most of them lived in the suburbs of big cities for years.

These folks are not farmers who lived in the same small town all their lives. They chose to move to rural Michigan later in life.

[underpants]

31. Has been for years

At one point I worked for a supply company and everyone was from outside of suburbia. The location was in an industrial section of Richmond. I lived in the city and at first I thought they were joking but they weren't. They'd make comments about getting home before it was dark or walking the streets alone???? They actually thought there were open gun battles regularly in the city as if I had to avoid a hail of bullets to get from my car to my apartment.

They really thought it was open war fare and this was in the 90's.

[Coventina]

36. Years ago (early 2000s), in the local Scottsdale paper, there was a letter to the editor

complaining that there wasn't a major mall in North Scottsdale.
They claimed they were "terrified" of going to Scottsdale Fashion Square, a VERY affluent mall (Neiman Marcus, Armani, Cartier, etc.) because was in the "war zone" of South Scottsdale.

[dsc]

44. When I first moved here I lived in a suburb

of Raleigh called Knightdale. I would occasionally go to Durham when I told people at work I was going to Durham you would have thought I was going to Iraq for the way they were behaving. Such fraidy cats.

[John1956PA]

27. Your well written post accurately describes a large segment of the electorate in PA as well. n/t

[yardwork]

34. This is what we're up against.

[workinclasszero]

37. You have just illustrated the entire right wing insanity in this country

The 1%er's put this HS out on fox, hate radio, FB etc 24/7/365 and it becomes the deplorables "reality".

They refuse any other source because their masters call that fake news. I have relatives and former friends in MI that are trumpers.

They still love the criminal traitor scumball and nothing will ever change their minds, at least until Fox news deserts and denounces him.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on that event though LOL

[yardwork]

38. It will literally destroy the country.

Our only hope is for the brainwashed to become disillusioned and stop voting entirely. Unfortunately, the opposite is happening.

[workinclasszero]

39. It is on a daily basis

The GOP are just days away from destroying Medicaid totally...for all time!

Will the deplorables wake up then?

Oh hell no would be my guess and social security will be up on the block next!

[yardwork]

40. Fake news blaming it all on the Democrats will be delivered to them.

[workinclasszero]

42. Undoubtedly

You got this figured out.

It will be Hillary and Obama's fault somehow then the Randian terror party(GOP) will be onto Social Security and meals on wheels!

[kairos12]

62. Yep. Same here in AZ.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Let's test that proposition *

The Midwestern United States (or Midwest) is a name for the north-central states of the United States of America. The states that are part of the Midwest are: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

IL -26
IN-3
IA-4
MI-12
MN -22
MS-+2
OH-5
WI- 10

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-popularity-has-dipped-most-in-red-states/

The suggestion he is popular in the Midwest is belied by the evidence. He is unpopular in the Midwest, just not as unpopular as he is elsewhere.

* On edit -included all Midwestern states for accuracy

[Madam45for2923]

18. Ah so not true that Donald still popular in PA, MI & WI

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I redid my whole post for accuracy. Please check it out now, Madam.

[Madam45for2923]

20. Woah those are not great numbers for Donald!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Exactly, and outside of the Deep South and Mountain West those are his best numbers.

[dsc]

45. I think you mean MO

[Willie Pep]

15. Some of it is the good economy.

If the economy was not doing as well as it is people would not be as positive about Trump. Incumbent presidents usually get a boost from a good economy even if they are not responsible for it and I think that is the case with Trump. Obama deserves most of the credit for getting us through the Great Recession but a lot of people won't think of that given the prevalence of short-term memories.

Of course, as mentioned by others, there is also the fact that many of these people live in the right-wing bubble so Trump can do no wrong anyway. Trump also clearly knows how to play to his base with things like the border wall, going after DACA and pardoning Joe Arpaio. For a lot of people voting for Trump was about sticking it to groups of people that they don't like and not about policy.

[Sunlei]

22. entire Republican party will vote for him again in 2020, if Ds can't manage to win 15 in midterms.

just a couple seats in senate and congress is all Ds need.

[phylny]

23. My friend's husband was just in Wisconsin for work and saw billboards

praising the excellent job Trump is doing. Amazing.

[Greybnk48]

57. Wisconsin is owned by the Koch's and a few other Millionaires.

They pay for a lot of right wing propaganda in Wisconsin because it goes unopposed and it works. Much of their campaigning goes unanswered and unopposed by the left as well.

Politically speaking, it's hard to live here these days.

[snacker]

58. Spot on.

[WinkyDink]

24. He wasn't and isn't "popular" in PA. His margin was small.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Nor is he "popular" in the Midwest

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9609048

[sharedvalues]

26. NO. He'd get destroyed in PA if election were rerun today

As everywhere, the base is somewhat intact, but shrinking.

But suppression was the story of 2016 and that would not stand today.

The reason the base is still intact is Fox news propaganda. That's where to start if you care about the base.

[MoonRiver]

28. Chumpy isn't popular.

He has the lowest approval rating of any "president" at this point in an administration, ever.

[Bengus81]

29. No one wants to admit they FUCKED UP badly.........

It takes time,even some of the idiots in Kansas are figuring it out.

[Orrex]

30. Parts of western PA are close to worshiping him as a god

They've already declared that he can do no wrong; if he fucks something up, it's actually "Barry HUSSEIN Obummer's" fault. And if Trump decimates healthcare, they've stated that they trust that he's doing it for the right reason.

They are cultists. Idiot racist fuckhead cultists.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I report. You decide.

MI-12
PA -10
WI- 10

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-popularity-has-dipped-most-in-red-states/

[INdemo]

33. No ..if the Democrats stop running against the fact that

the election was very questionable and how incompetent Trump is and start focusing on real issues than Democrats will win back the WH and Congress.
The Democrats first mistake was to elect as DNC Chairman, Tom Perez
The Georgia Special election with little or no support from the DNC was a sign that thjis guy plans to pick and choose where the national support will go. (those questionable election results went unchallenged)

I believe Trump will be forced to resign but then we have Pence who is just as bad and the Republican strategy will still be based on racism and unethical strategy and sad to say that Trump supporters will still vote for these idiots.

[moda253]

41. I was in Pittsburgh this weekend and Talk Radio there is disgusting

When I go to a different city I will scan the radio and I heard a BUNCH of crazy talk radio channels.

I just turned the radio off.

[MoonRiver]

46. Stop listening to right wing stations. Problem solved.

[yardwork]

59. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

It's not enough anymore. We have to go on the offensive.

[Dawson Leery]

52. The counties surrounding Pittsburgh are right wing cestpools.

In this sense, it is better that their steel jobs went to Asia. At least our steel is being made by a better class of people.

[Afromania]

51. Mueller can't save us. We are going to have to save ourselves.

[yardwork]

60. I agree.

[Eliot Rosewater]

56. No he isnt.

[catbyte]

61. I'm not sure what poll it was, but MI doesn't trust him.

I'm convinced Michigan was stolen.

http://woodtv.com/2017/09/06/poll-trump-approval-rating-falls-in-mi/
Poll in Michigan on September 6 says 57% think the US is going in the wrong direction; 29% approve.


Poll: Michigan's view of President Trump, country's direction faltering
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/05/31/poll-michigans-view-trump-countrys-direction-faltering/355614001/