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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:51 AM Sep 2017

Foreign-policy experts: "Tillerson will go down as one of the worst US Secretaries of State ever."

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/he-will-go-down-as-the-worst-secretary-of-state-rex-tillerson-quickly-cementing-his-place-in-history/

“Tillerson would be at or near the bottom of the list of secretaries of state, not just in the post-Second World War world but in the record of US secretaries of state,” said Paul Musgrave, a foreign policy scholar at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

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His efforts at “reform” will likely weaken the State Department for a generation, according to George Washington University’s Elizabeth Saunders.

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“I think he really will go down as one of the worst secretaries of State we’ve had,” said Eliot Cohen, counselor to the State Department under President George W. Bush.

Ilan Goldenberg, who specialized in Israel-Palestine issues for the State Department under President Barack Obama, said Tillerson has already cemented his place in history.

“He will go down as the worst secretary of state in history,” Goldenberg said.
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Foreign-policy experts: "Tillerson will go down as one of the worst US Secretaries of State ever." (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2017 OP
Appointed by the worst President in our history. CatMor Sep 2017 #1
This! bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #24
Sadly, that can also be said of every single Cabinet Secretary in this administration. LonePirate Sep 2017 #2
Exactly what I thought as well. You can go down the list.... Tanuki Sep 2017 #11
These incompetents were Scarsdale Sep 2017 #17
They were placed there to dismantle their respective departments, so incompetence is a feature, tblue37 Sep 2017 #31
Putin hates the US state department, picked the right person to dismantle it uponit7771 Sep 2017 #3
Kompromat on Tillerson? He surely can't be as ignorant delisen Sep 2017 #5
Oh yeah, the guy with the trillion dollar deal with Putin ... No doubt uponit7771 Sep 2017 #7
Well, Putie did give Tillerson the Russian medal of friendship Martin Eden Sep 2017 #13
The Trump administration will be setting a lot of "worst ever" records. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #4
Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. Check. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #19
And the worst Education secretary is ... SusanaMontana41 Sep 2017 #21
Rex who? chelsea0011 Sep 2017 #6
This entire cabinet is an absolute joke Docreed2003 Sep 2017 #8
The only explanation Scarsdale Sep 2017 #18
I'll settle for him just going down... Wounded Bear Sep 2017 #9
Well, some good people will sacrifice to return to rebuild State because they know Hortensis Sep 2017 #10
just a warm body filling a seat and not getting anything worth while done! VaBchTgerLily Sep 2017 #12
That is a seriously wrong underestimation of Tillerson in his post. Rick Perry is a warm body... Hekate Sep 2017 #15
Guten Abend, DetlefK saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #14
Wonderful representatives Scarsdale Sep 2017 #20
thanks, also edited my post for typo, saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #23
He was chosen by the worst US president ever so of course Autumn Sep 2017 #16
that's correct, and not just him onetexan Sep 2017 #30
Tillerson sucks, but how well could anybody do with trump flapping his gums? davsand Sep 2017 #22
We are living through the nightmare our ancestors couldn't even imagine world wide wally Sep 2017 #25
That is the whole point, dont you see! Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #26
Absolutely agree. BarbD Sep 2017 #28
Considering that he's quite possibly Turbineguy Sep 2017 #27
This was intentional, and not just with State. DFW Sep 2017 #29
Uniquely unqualified to hold the office of Secretary of State. democratisphere Sep 2017 #32

LonePirate

(13,407 posts)
2. Sadly, that can also be said of every single Cabinet Secretary in this administration.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:56 AM
Sep 2017

I hope Pence is pleased with all of his selections.

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
11. Exactly what I thought as well. You can go down the list....
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:18 PM
Sep 2017

Pruitt is the worst EPA head, DeVos the worst Secretary of Education....and so on. Each one is shockingly incompetent and hostile to the mission to which their department is dedicated.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. These incompetents were
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:32 PM
Sep 2017

placed into these jobs to make tRump look better than he is in comparison. Worst administration EVER. Historically unqualified.

tblue37

(65,216 posts)
31. They were placed there to dismantle their respective departments, so incompetence is a feature,
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:50 PM
Sep 2017

not a bug.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
5. Kompromat on Tillerson? He surely can't be as ignorant
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:09 PM
Sep 2017

as he is projecting.

Before accepting Secretary of State position his wife reportedly said that god wasn't finished with him yet--maybe she meant Putin.

Martin Eden

(12,843 posts)
13. Well, Putie did give Tillerson the Russian medal of friendship
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:06 PM
Sep 2017

Rex from Exxon wanted big Russian oil contracts but sanctions over Ukraine prevented those profits.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,582 posts)
4. The Trump administration will be setting a lot of "worst ever" records.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:04 PM
Sep 2017

Worst President, no contest; James Buchanan's ghost can finally rest. Worst Vice-President (Spiro Agnew was just crooked; Dick Cheney was just evil). Worst Attorney General (Mitchell and Meese are strong competitors, but Sessions is at least as corrupt and a vicious racist as well). Worst Energy Secretary, Rick Perry, nothing more to say. Worst Interior Secretary (James Watt is a tough act to follow but Zinke is likely to be even worse). HUD? Ben Carson.

An entire administration of assholes who are actively trying to destroy the federal government.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
8. This entire cabinet is an absolute joke
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:15 PM
Sep 2017

Why the press insnt screaming to high heaven and pointing out the fact on a daily basis that every one of these cabinet parasites have experience that is diametrically opposed to their cabinet posts and motivated by the sole purpose of complete dismantling of their departments is beyond me. Our country is in the hands of oligarchs who have succeeded in creating a society that I'd argue is more Huxley than Orwell...we're not protesting more because our society is too dumb and too preoccupied to care

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
18. The only explanation
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:38 PM
Sep 2017

is that they all have (R) behind their names, which protects them from being exposed for the unqualified boobs that they are. Had any democratic president done this, the press would have been screaming. Democratic presidents care more about this country, and want the best qualified people in office. Since most of the Sunday political shows depend on repub. politicians as guests, the press treads lightly with them. McCain has been on so many times, I think he has his own, personal chair at each network.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Well, some good people will sacrifice to return to rebuild State because they know
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:17 PM
Sep 2017

there's no one else with their backgrounds. And I've read that embassy services overseas haven't been so badly impacted, at least weren't at that point. The big hit has been to top management and diplomatic and strategic operations.

It's far from doable, of course, but many always fantasize about requiring bureaucracies to dismantle at intervals and rebuild. Well, it's happening.

Hekate

(90,540 posts)
15. That is a seriously wrong underestimation of Tillerson in his post. Rick Perry is a warm body...
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:27 PM
Sep 2017

Tillerson, otoh, is highly skilled at seeing the entire planet in terms of oil and cash flow, and he is a friend of Putin. Afaict, America is just the place he keeps his primary residence, but his sworn loyalty is to Exxon and those who enable it. Not for nothing did Putin award him the medal formerly known as the Lenin Prize, now Friend of Russia or some such.

No one is sure who in hell put Tillerson up for his current post, but his actions are purposeful: he is destroying the State Department.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
14. Guten Abend, DetlefK
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:10 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)

The current administration is like a rotting fish. We can paint them all with the same broad brush of incompetence, criminal behaviour, cruelty and bigotry.

Autumn

(44,973 posts)
16. He was chosen by the worst US president ever so of course
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:29 PM
Sep 2017

he would be the worst US Secretary of State ever.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
30. that's correct, and not just him
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:38 PM
Sep 2017

anyone whose hitched their wagon to this pony will go down in the history books in infamy with him.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
22. Tillerson sucks, but how well could anybody do with trump flapping his gums?
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:43 PM
Sep 2017

I will not disagree that Tillerson is a mess. I just honestly think that if you are the Sec of State for any asshole that manages to go to the UN and threaten to bomb a nation into rubble, invade another nation on a completely different continent, and then insult an entire school of social/economic thought, you are probably not handed a great hand to play in that office...

Is America great again yet?


Laura

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
26. That is the whole point, dont you see!
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:03 PM
Sep 2017

Destroying America and her government is what they are trying to do.

Corporations are what these guys respect and worship, not country or patriotism.

This is intentional.

Turbineguy

(37,285 posts)
27. Considering that he's quite possibly
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:16 PM
Sep 2017

the most qualified person in the trump administration.....

At least it's what trump's base wanted. Buffoons to run the U.S.

DFW

(54,272 posts)
29. This was intentional, and not just with State.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:26 PM
Sep 2017

The powers that backed Trump knew full well, that if they managed to get him into office that he would pick loyal, unqualified cronies for all cabinet posts. The only qualifications they needed to being to the table were loyalty and an inclination to do whatever would benefit Trump's personal business interests, or, if in a field where he had none, then the business interests of those who financed his campaign. That is exactly what happened. Conspiracy theorists and their opponents can debate the how and why and who, but they can't dispute the identities of the people Trump picked for his cabinet. They and their qualifications (or lack of them) are a matter of public record.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
32. Uniquely unqualified to hold the office of Secretary of State.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 03:08 PM
Sep 2017

Wish he had retired. The world would have been better off.

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