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With the fraud commission, their fake media, voter suppression, vote manipulation and fraud, vote changing, machine hacking, media manipulation, insanely rich donors, corrupt/criminal secretaries of state, voter ID laws, and most of all their Russian enablers they have future elections in the bag. They can pass any shit they want and harm as many people as they please.
They have NO fear of losing and that is why I believe they are so bold.
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Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)Plus all of the collusion in the media and the false equivalency narratives.
It's really amazing that the Dems are "allowed" to hold any political offices.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)We must haunt, harass and stalk these bastards without mercy. We must get in their faces in some ways and be nasty about it.
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)War Room, Dirty Tricks Dept.......but, have always been told that we don't fight that way....that we can fairly win the battle of ideas.....hahaha....wrong. Not when the game is rigged.
brush
(53,778 posts)standing, well-funded committee to combat repug cheating on the national, state and local level with top attorneys to file suits, private investigators to help them, social media experts, traditional media liaisons and publicists to get the word out on repug cheating, fund-raisers, volunteers — the works — against their cheating, vote purging, vote hacking, vote suppression, Russian social media bots, voter intimidation and all their dirty tricks.
This should have been done after 2000 and 2004.
Waging huge campaigns to register new voters is great but we need the parallel campaign against repug cheating because as hard as we work to get new voters they work just as hard to suppress our voters, therefore we need a strong, concerted effort to stop their vote suppression.
For every vote we stop them from suppressing or purging counts as a positive vote for Democrats.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)"When they go low, we go high" is a terrible strategy. I think we need to fight the GOP with all the dirty(but legal) tricks we can muster. They aren't interested in playing nice and we give them an advantage when we do.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)When they go low, we should grind them into the god-damned dirt.
No one would ever say, "when the enemy comes over the hill, guns a-blazing, set down your weapon and wait to be shot (because it will prove how much better a person you are ... I mean, were)"
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)and it wont happen until trump supporters and even non supporters start dying or becoming homeless when the Graham bill does do that to them.
Not till then
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Cheat, Steal, Commit Treason....Whatever It Takes. Victory is what matters.
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)Democrats can be ethical, legal, and upright and still clean the GOPs clock. But they need to be shrewd and strong.
Bettie
(16,109 posts)or commit treason...but we need to stop playing doormat in the name of "civility".
edhopper
(33,579 posts)after that enough idiots vote for their own destruction that they can squeak out a win with those methods.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Posts like this are silly at best and at worst deter people from turning out if it's hopeless.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Posts like this are silly at best and at worst deter people from turning out if it's hopeless."
And you know with 100% certainty that votes weren't changed or tampered with?
Joe941
(2,848 posts)do you think otherwise?
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)That poster I was replying to said that NO votes were changed.
I don't happen to believe that, and at the very least--how do we KNOW that no votes were changed or tampered with?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)"And you know with 100% certainty that votes weren't changed or tampered with?"
No one can. Ever. In any election over the course of human history.
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying they weren't, but that's not the sort of argument to make.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Poster said : "Given that there were no votes changed, hogwash.....
Posts like this are silly at best and at worst deter people from turning out if it's hopeless."
The poster gave a definitive statement in saying that there were NO VOTES CHANGED.
So, I asked him/her how he/she KNOWS with such certainty that no votes were changed?
melman
(7,681 posts)brush
(53,778 posts)when he realized his vote hacking didn't work in 2012.
You didn't see that?
And don't think they didn't try in '08 either, they were just overwhelmed by the turnout for a transcendent candidate.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)When Obama won the GOP had NOT yet suppressed enough voters in the categories that he won in. With voter ID they have plugged some of the gaps that helped him win.
They thought the McCain or Romney would win. But there were enough Obama voters still able to vote to overcome what they had already done. Crosscheck has also had a large impact.
Plus Obama was able to seize the day on the internet. He beat them to the punch. And the outside forces that beat Hillary were not yet developed.
Obama was a shock to them. The GOP fully expected to win.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)IF Pres. Obama had faced what Hillary did (Voter-crosschecking, voter ID'ing, voter-purging, gerrymandering--ALL ON STEROIDS) and throw in propaganda, Facebook, ruskie interference (And we STILL don't know the extent of what their interference WAS into our elections, let's just say that it was in NO way positive as you'd imagine), he'd have lost to tRumputin.
NO Dem was going to win the 2016 GE with all of the shenanigans that went on during the 2016 GE.
Crosscheck Removed 450K Voters in MI, 270 K in AZ and 590 K in NC.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/14/1599330/-Crosscheck-Removed-450K-Voters-in-MI-270-K-in-AZ-and-590-K-in-NC
This Election Is Being Rigged—but Not by Democrats.
The GOP’s voter-suppression efforts are the real voter fraud.
By Ari Berman
OCTOBER 17, 2016
https://www.thenation.com/article/this-election-is-being-rigged/
melman
(7,681 posts)Obama would have won easily against Trump. Easily.
btw, 'ruskie' is an ethnic slur that should not be allowed here.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)"Obama would have won easily against Trump. Easily."
IF you sincerely believe that, then I feel sorry for you given ALL of the credible information/evidence we've seen, heard and read about since November 8th of last year stating the opposite.
Secondly, the ruskies (A HOSTILE foreign government) colluded with tRumputin by interfering in our election which helped to put their fat, crazy, mentally-declining, treasonous racist, pawn into the Oval Office. This man is not only destroying not only our country little by little and bit by bit, but he has access to the nuclear codes and he has a hard on for North Korea which could trigger a war. The ruskies interfering into our election is a SLUR upon my person and upon this country/world.
"btw, 'ruskie' is an ethnic slur that should not be allowed here."
Unless the person running this site specifically posts rules saying that ruskie is a slur, I'll keep on using it. If you don't' like that term then YOU don't use it. Problem solved.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)delisen
(6,043 posts)If the number of elective offices held by members of a party is a measure of its strength, Democrats lost party strength in a very short period of time.
Although Obama won a second term, other offices were being lost to Republicans-over 1000 by one estimate.
I think the decline of Democratic Party power and the rise of Republican Party power over the six to eight years had to do with Republicans stoking fear and anger over of the ACA through propaganda and then channeling that into successive wins over a six year period.
For example, 2010 not 2016 was when the Democrats lost Wisconsin. Reince Priebus became head of the Wisconsin Republican Party in 2009 (year ACA passed) and is credited with turning Wisconsin from a blue state to a red state. His success made him a national figure,
The big losses in Democratic representation began in 2010 after the passage of the ACA and the rise of the Tea Party. I think passing the ACA was the right thing to do, but the backlash was huge. 2010 was a redistricting year and gave Republicans opportunity to gerrymander.
Multi-pronged voter suppression moves by Republican secretaries of state and legislators continued through the presidency of Obama with the main objective of decreasing the vote count for Democrats. (This strategy had started in 2000, but it moved into high gear in 2010).
In our tradition the sitting president is the head of the party. I think Obama has spoken about the difficulty of attending to party-building while also being president (with a determined opposition party making governing as difficult as possible, I might add).
The Republican plan included blocking Obama's agenda legislatively in Congress so that he had to make progress where he could through executive orders which can be more easily overturned later.
The new Tea Party strength in Congress even drove the Republican Speaker of the House Boehner out of office. Boehner finally quit Congress because of the nastiness of the new crop of republicans. (He did not quit because of Democratic Party meaness or intransigence).
JDC
(10,127 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Lord_at_War
(61 posts)We have mandatory two "minority-majority" districts that any black Dem will win 75-25 or 80-20.
Toledo and Cleveland go reliably Dem- and the Repubes win all the rest 53-47 or 55-45.
I always imagine the Repubes saying, "Please don't throw me in that briar patch, Br'er Fox".
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I know what my forebears did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
ananda
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BannonsLiver
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