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Thirty percent want to see Sanders take another stab at the presidency, with 46 percent preferring him to engage in other facets of politics, and 12 percent wishing he would retire.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-president-democrats_us_59c16e6ce4b087fdf508ba6a?section=us_politics
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Stargazer99
(2,584 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)...explain how you see it or her as RW.
It isn't particularly RW to be leery of running someone who will start a high-stress job at 80 years old ... and after Kremlin Don, there will be a whole extra mountain range of stress.
Nor is it unreasonable to think that if Bernie wants to run for the Democratic nomination again, then he should join the party.
There's nothing "RW" about holding an opinion that Bernie would be more effective outside the presidency, or even running for it.
Nor is it "RW" to note that it can't be all about him. He's said that much himself. His some 40% of primary votes stands as proof there is a substantial constituency within the party, but to take it further calls for people within the party. And a younger set who will be able to advance it over the next 20-30 years.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Some people here really do live in a bubble
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)it would be pushing for Sanders to run.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)this one doesn't distinguish what party the voters are affiliated with. Could this be the difference?
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)that we as a party are less than 29% of the total electorate. We can't win without someone who doesn't get the indy vote and Bernie not only gets that, he gets it bu huge margins. What I find interesting is that all the other polls say that he is the most popular among Democrats. I'm thinking the poll the OP posted is an outliar
brer cat
(24,559 posts)The oft sited "popularity" polls are also based on a limited number of choices. They are meaningless.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)There are so many polls out there saying Bernie is the most popular politician and so many news articles written about this but for some, the earth is still flat it seems
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)lapucelle
(18,250 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)
One poll is from December 2016 and the other is from September 2017.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)The polls are nine months apart, but also it look like your older one (for this question) polled Dems and Independents, whereas the newer one polled Dems and "Democratic leaning" independents, which would lessen Sanders support, by taking out all the independents who do not self-identify as Dem-leaning. I don't think there has ever been any question that, outside of the Dem base, Sanders does better than Clinton, so the more your survey also includes people who do not identify as Dem, the better you would expect Sanders to do relative to Clinton.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)will be close to 80. And this would cause division in the party...we need new blood. Neither Hillary nor Bernie should run.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That said, there's no reason the IDEAS both champion shouldn't have a legitimate place in this party, or for the supporters of either to be told to shut up or go way.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)My advice is to look forward. Look to the future. Embrace new ideas and focus less on the past. Be realistic.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)is statistically in the same range. They were statistically TIED.
And the poll you cited is OLD. Ancient, in poll years.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)We all know this. It isn't new. It's been this way going on almost a year now
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)One of them includes only sitting Senators and another only lists 4 Democrats and Bernie (and a handful of GOP) -- not Joe Biden -- and from this some people have drawn the ridiculous conclusion that Bernie is the "most popular politician in the country."
To show that I am wrong, you'll have to link to a recent poll that includes Joe Biden and all the other nationally-known Dems. Go ahead.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Bernie is the most popular politician in America who is currently serving. There is absolutely no evidence saying anything else anywhere. You've seen the polls. I'm not about go down the rabbit the hole in an argument and bang my head because some don't want to believe the information which is provided due to them not liking Bernie.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)You can't even show me a recent one that compares him to Joe Biden -- who hasn't ruled himself out for 2020. Neither has John Kerry. So why don't you stop with the hyperbole?
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)The poll is from December 2016.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)mentions both former candidates, not just one.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Willie Pep
(841 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And people want to see an end to this endless Bernie vs. Hillary/Dems arguing in this community.
Tiring, frustrating, and deeply costly to the unity of our community.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Everyone should read this entire article.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)It's not close to that high.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Go for it.
JHan
(10,173 posts)thanks.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)And besides what you asked of me is absurd anyway.
bluepen
(620 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)bluepen
(620 posts)CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)I think he will be & so do many others
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Keep dreaming.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)Dreams become reality. Paging Obama 2008.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)No effing way will that man become president. Ever.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)That these posters equate the two. Bernie never even got out of the qualifying round, much less win 2 presidential elections by wide margins. But a lot of Bernie supporters have nothing but contempt for President Obama. It's bizarre, but is what it is.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It's annoying as hell.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)The fact that you would mention Bernie in the same breath with Obama in that context tells me all I need to know.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #49)
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CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)I said dreams do come true, which they do. It's called progress. Just like gay marriage in this country as an example. Just like Obama being elected. Just like us having the ACA. Just like the Berlin wall falling.
Why do you think Bernie won't ever become POTUS? I'm rather curious by this.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)accomplish if he were to become president.
It is possible that he wins the nomination, in part because he has sold this image of himself as super-electable. And some voters might also be scared that the base of the party won't rally behind the nominee if Sanders is denied again. Finally, he might legitimately impress a lot of voters with his ideas. All of these things could garner him a victory in the primaries.
If Donald Trump is the GOP nominee in 2020 then it is by no means impossible for Bernie to beat him, especially since he is going to do a whole lot more wrong between now and then. I don't think Bernie could have beaten a Republican like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio in 2016. It is not clear what would have happened if he had run against Trump. The GOP would have made up a series of fake scandals about him, and probably would have gotten an assist from the FBI. And he might not have destroyed Trump in the debates the way that Hillary did. So we can't be certain what would have happened. But in 2020 I think he could do it.
The question remains: what would he get done as president? Single payer health care is unlikely to pass. But does he spend all his political capital, and effort, trying, thereby taking away his chance to overhaul our nation's energy economy?
And does having a candidate who calls himself a socialist, albeit a Democratic Socialist, hurt us in some down ballot races? Even if it doesn't hurt us in 2020, does it make these newly elected Democrats more vulnerable in 2022?
bluepen
(620 posts)I assumed people could have different opinions (though Id bet my new car on this one).
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)think he can win. If he runs in the 2020 primaries, it just means more division and maybe the GOP wins... I doubt he will be the candidate...but let me say if he is , he has my vote.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)but we need someone new the next time around.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)It's been almost a year and some are still fighting 2016. That ship has sailed for better or worse and we need to move forward.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)whoever ran against her in the 2016 primary.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Did you sit it out or vote 3rd party? Then again, you said "anybody but Hillary" so I suppose Trump qualified in your book?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)How's Trump working out for ya?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)even if i cannot stand him/her.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Vinca
(50,261 posts)I like Hillary, but I don't want her to run again. Same with a long list of the over 65 crowd. New blood! New blood! New blood!
Warpy
(111,245 posts)who will put younger justices on the USSC. Works for me.
Besides, it's going to take a tremendous amount of stamina to start to undo the damage the Republicans are doing to this country.
I'm grateful to Sanders for running last year and articulating what so many of us think about this country. I just hope future candidates were paying attention.
ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)Thirties Child
(543 posts)I was a die-hard Sanders fanatic, held my nose to vote for Hillary, but pushing 80 is too old. I'm older than he is--almost seven years older--and I know whereof I speak.
CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)He runs and is in great shape! He actually WALKS long distances to the hill every day.
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)I would rather not see her run again.
I like that we have common ground here.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Sick of it!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Apparently, this was an attack on Hillary too. You really can't make this shit up.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)From the article linked in the OP
Democrats and Democratic leaners say by a 10-point margin, 49 percent to 39 percent, that Clinton was not the partys best option for a nominee last year. Fourteen percent say she was mostly to blame for Trumps victory, with 37 percent calling her somewhat at fault, 24 percent saying that shes not very much at fault, and 16 percent saying that shes not to blame at all.
Looking forward, just 20 percent want to see Clinton run for president again, but 47 percent say theyd like to see her remain active in politics in other ways, while 23 percent want her to retire. Thirty percent want to see Sanders take another stab at the presidency, with 46 percent preferring him to engage in other facets of politics, and 12 percent wishing he would retire.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lapucelle
(18,250 posts)It's a textbook example of a leading question, and it leads on at least two different levels. It assumes that all respondents will agree with premise that Trump's election was a mistake. It also assumes that the entire set of those blameworthy consists of exactly one named person.
Whoever wrote that question is either devious and cunning, biased to such a degree that he assumes the truth of his own opinion, or really, really stupid.
Data analysis is best left to experts. There's a reason why H. L. Mencken said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)but 47 percent say theyd like to see her remain active in politics in other ways, while 23 percent want her to retire.
Both the Clinton wing and Sanders wing of the party ― defined as those who view one of those politicians positively, but the other negatively ― are relatively small. A 54 percent majority of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents view both Clinton and Sanders favorably, according to the poll. Sixteen percent like Sanders but not Clinton, while 12 percent like Clinton, but not Sanders. Another 6 percent hold a negative view of both.
Americans as a whole give Clinton a negative rating, with 52 percent viewing her unfavorably to the 36 percent who rate her favorably. Sanders is seen more positively, with 42 percent of the American public viewing him favorably, and just 37 percent unfavorably.
KTM
(1,823 posts)"CherryPicker_77" as TCJ said above.
Suprising (not suprising) how few posters made mention of any of the rest of that article.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)that makes her look worse than it does Bernie. You can't make this shit up.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)KTM
(1,823 posts)If the post had been headlined "Only 20% of Democrats want Clinton to run again," or contained ANY of the other facts listed in the article, this thread would have been on fire.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)It's only relevant how people who are planning to run poll
KTM
(1,823 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Telling yourself what you need to.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)measures we all saw -- which was MILLIONS more actual votes than both of her male competitors -- over a sad "poll" with washed up politicians as the alternative choices, lol.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I mean, even setting aside his age, why on earth would anyone want him to run again? He'd lose even more badly.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Personally, I think we need to concentrate on getting rid of Trump and stopping the Republican agenda. Who knows at this point WHAT may happen in 2020.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)The only person that I want to see running from 2016 is O'Malley and that's just out of courtesy.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)candidate. I only want him to run if nobody else picks up that mantle. I'm sure others feel the same way. Given that, I'm not sure how I would have answered the poll. I'm not really sure what we are supposed to take away from it except that only 12 percent actually seem to want him gone from the political scene.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Lebam in LA
(1,344 posts)kacekwl
(7,016 posts)Please.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)It's silly (and divisive) to even be thinking of 2020.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)over bogus purity tests comprised of failed talking points. Focus indeed.
Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)Personally I'd rather he not run again.
of course he can run as an independent if he so wishes.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)At this point, the guy's just fighting for the causes he supports. Nothing inherently wrong with that, and nothing would be better for progressives if he left the scene.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Since she polls much worse than Bernie!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There was a Vox article a while back that made a similar assertion.