Ex-CIA Chief stuns Nicole Wallace:Its absolutely possible Russia sent Manafort to Trump campaign.

[PearliePoo2]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/ex-cia-chief-stuns-nicole-wallace-its-absolutely-possible-russia-dispatched-manafort-to-the-trump-campaign/?comments=disqus

“Wait wait wait,” Wallace said. “Are you saying it’s possible that [Mueller] wants to find out if Manafort was a Russian plant?”

“Absolutely,” he replied. “They’re going to want to know if there were ties between Paul Manafort and Russia, whether they were financial or otherwise, that caused him to in effect do Russia’s bidding.”

“The ultimate question,” he continued, “is whether or not Trump himself knew about it…and once he found out that the bureau was investigating them, why did he try to shut down that investigation?”

[JI7]

1. isn't that what everyone already suspected ?

there is nothing stunning about it. at least not in a "breaking news" type way.

[WhiteTara]

22. Then Manafort brought in Pence. nt

[TeapotInATempest]

26. Yes, that's important to remember.

The question is why, of course, and I'd very much like the answer to that someday.

[Pachamama]

27. +1000

A very very important detail to remember.....


Pence was brought in by Manafort.....

[JI7]

28. I want pence to go down also

Hopefully

[Hortensis]

37. Agree. But there's a world of difference between we "know" and the JD knows.

And it's really looking like the JD knows. You know, this is already so incredibly dirty, when it goes to court it'll be such a huge Republican scandal even the trumpsters won't be able to delude themselves it isn't happening.

Still want a Rump or RNC knew connection proven, though.

[democratisphere]

2. Russia was completely in control of our presidential elections.

That is stunning!

[Lars39]

3. Pence was chosen by Manafort.

[Dustlawyer]

9. Interesting. Wouldn't the Russians try to have control over the VP too?

Do they have dirt on the fake religious zealot? It stands to reason they would hack his life too and have control over him. Those RW types that use religion to further their careers are usually very freaky.

[OnDoutside]

10. When Mikey talks about Mother, is it Mother Russia he means ? !!!

Has Pence ever visited Russia or its allied countries ?

[enid602]

42. Pence

Manafort went to a lot of trouble to introduce tRump to Pence.

[bdjhawk]

44. I think you figured it out!

Dear "Mother"!!

[Dan]

41. Like Bush 2 - with Cheney

make the VP so ugly, that you tolerate the President...

[Eyeball_Kid]

46. From a twitter account, I read that Pence could be compromised...

by his (alleged) special attraction for young males. If there are any legs to that allegation, Russia knows that Pence is malleable.

[Achilleaze]

16. + 1,000 - The Pence of Darkness (R)

[WhiteTara]

23. Who then vetted Flynn. nt

[Pachamama]

30. +1000

Another good point....

Manafort brought in Pence....then he vetted Flynn....

The path to Moscow runs deep...

[Eyeball_Kid]

47. that is, Pence vetted Flynn,

even when Pence knew of Flynn's foreign entanglements. So, Manafort is a Russian agent who runs Trumpy's campaign long enough to pick Trumpy's VP nominee, Pence. Manafort is acting at Russia's direction, and Manafort chooses Pence. So Russia chooses Pence, AND Pence allows foreign agent Flynn into the White House, with TS clearance, vetted by Pence, even when Pence knew that Flynn had Turkish/Russian ties. So Russia controls Manafort, who chooses Pence, who chooses Flynn. Neat package. Manafort, Pence, and Flynn commit felonies, and all three, with Trumpy, are in hot water with RICO. And we aren't even talking about the 6/9/16 meeting, or the plans for money laundering, or the quid pro quo regarding sanctions, or... Oh, it goes on.

[NastyRiffraff]

35. And then claimed he had NO IDEA

of Flynn's Russian ties. He led the goddamn transition team. And Elijah Cummings explicitly told him, in writing, that Flynn had a problem.

[WhiteTara]

43. Well, you don't think that Pence would

listen to a black Congressman, do you? After all.

[NastyRiffraff]

45. Yes, there's that

Pence is about as vanilla as it gets, in many ways.

[bucolic_frolic]

4. This is getting good!

This is no longer something that can be swept under the rug or derailed by firing Bob Mueller.

It's a political-financial barn burner as memorable to history as Machiavelli.

This is the biggest international political event since the U.S. was founded.

[monmouth4]

5. Nicole is a good actress if this comes as a surprise to her. n/t

[PearliePoo2]

6. Yes Nicole, it's possible! Come ON...try to keep up!

As Mika said just now on 'Morning Joe', "This is REAL and this is happening."

[GoCubsGo]

20. Not only is it possible. It's probable.

It wouldn't surprise me if Michael Flynn and his twerp son are, as well.

[Sancho]

7. Manafort, Jared, Page, Flynn, and a bunch of others!! All Russian operatives...

...of course tRump knew! That's why he picked Manafort as campaign chair.

It doesn't take a rocket man to figure it out.

The entire crazy plan would have failed if it weren't for help from the media, the FBI, the repubs (some key people were also in the pockets of the Russians), and lack of action by the WH who were too slow.

Russia got lucky, but there were a lot of players involved.

[Cosmocat]

13. You are missing the primary element

and why they had no fear of taking this shot.

This stupid in this country is at DEFCON 2.

There were countless, literally things that jackass has done or said that should have precluded his receiving one single vote. This all is so overwhelming obvious, russians skull fucking people in social media, our media conflating shit, none of that should have mattered.

Whatever the machinations, the political intrigue, simple common sense should have been enough, with no thought.

[Botany]

17. And one other part of this coup was having the GOP hold endless and unneeded hearings ...

... into HRC which tied into the "crooked Hillary" meme and crap being planted
on Facebook by Trump/Russia.

[Cosmocat]

24. Yeah

it is what they do.

But, again, it was four years of bold faced partisan bullshit.

There were a dozen incidents with loss of life by attacks on foreign outpost like that during Ws term, no one said a word.

It is that simple - tragic and all respect to those killed, but shit happens when you have the kind of wide ranging diplomatic footprint we have.

The problem is 1) 1/3 of the country WANTS to believe in the evil liberal boogyman and 1/3 of the country wants to believe "they are both the same" and 2) The media dutifully plays its role of letting right wing jackassery go by unchallenged.

That all is on US, we the people.

[Botany]

25. "It" was many things but the 2 that resonate w/me are:

1) The Joesph Goebbels "big lie" work by the republicans on HRC. You just keep repeating
the message over and over and even though it is not true after a while a % of the population
starts to think it is true.

b) McCarthyism.

From wiki McCarthyism has taken on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

[Hekate]

48. The GOP inoculated themselves against impeachment during Bill Clinton's term...

The country was disgusted and exhausted by the sham of his impeachment, and no longer trusted the process, in my opinion. They turned persecution of the Clintons into a lifelong industry, and for what?

To what extent do any of the old timers in Congress even realize the depths of corruption they are now in -- and now treason?

Barack Obama gave this nation a respite and a chance of renewal. But that's all it was -- a chance, and we (the country) blew it. When he said, Yes We Can, he really meant WE would have to do this work.

Will the GOP majority in Congress ever, ever come to grips with the act of war and the invasion perpetrated on this nation?

[Pachamama]

31. +1000

Exactly

[kentuck]

8. Jeremy Bash

In case you were looking for a name.

[OnDoutside]

11. Tie that to what Rachel said last night that Deripaska was taking

Manfort to court over tens of millions of dollars that manafort was "investing" in the US for Deripaska. Questions are what did Manafort invest that money in, and was Trump connected to that money ? Bear in mind Manafort has an apartment in Trump Tower. Is that connected?

How far back does Manafort go back with Pence ? How did he come to pluck him out of the air for VP ? Was it Koch related, and in turn Conway/Bannon ?

[RandomAccess]

33. And/or Mercer related

[OnDoutside]

38. Yes +1

[UCmeNdc]

12. K&R

[Achilleaze]

14. Meanwhile, republicans fart around while russia continues ACTS OF WAR* on USA

By looking the other way and doing doodley squat to defend the nation, republicans are skeezily, sinfully, suckfully, treasonously complicit in destroying American democracy.

* per all 17 US Intelligence Agencies and even dick freaking cheney.

[calimary]

36. OF COURSE they aren't going to do doodley squat about this.

As long as it helped them steal the White House, they're not gonna touch it. They're the fucking beneficiaries of it. It helped them "win". I'd bet they're hoping for another round or two - or 15.

[longship]

15. Just keep watching/listening to Rachel Maddow.

And above all, ignore what they say. Pay attention to what they do!

There's a reason why she's number one in cable news.

[Gothmog]

18. Manafort may have been a Russian agent

[dalton99a]

19. Kick.

[dawnie51]

21. Dolt 45 knew none of these people.....

prior to this election. He barely knows what day it is. Manafort, Flynn, Tillerson, Pence, the whole cabal. Russia put them all in place. For God's sake, wake up! This is not a novel or a movie!

[Madam45for2923]

29. Nope! Not true! Manafort and Donald go back to 1980

1980
Stone and Manafort Go Into Business

Roger Stone founds a lobbying practice with Paul Manafort; Trump becomes one of Stone’s first clients. In the 1980s, Trump hires Manafort as his lawyer on gambling and real estate issues. By 1988, Stone is one of Trump’s closest advisers.

http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

[Duppers]

34. That is true.

1980 is years before Putin had total power in Russia. So, can the ex-CIA Chief's theory still apply?

Manafort, Stone, Trump are birds of a feather--crooks. They seem to flock.

[WinkyDink]

40. Guess again about Trump.

[Sunlei]

32. when Manafort first "dropped from the sky", the 1 article that mentioned his name said- he was a

he was a "volunteer" working for free. I had to look his name up to see who the fuck he was.

Some Republican Party person brought Manafort into the campaign.

[Achilleaze]

49. Good basic question

Who did bring Manafort into the campaign of Comrade Casino, the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief?

[Sunlei]

50. that and I've also wondered about bannons old 'gold mining sweatshop gamer days'

his "businesses" caused a lot of grief/money to corps like sony, soe, blizzard. up until recently those games for several years ran servers in russia, china, the koreas. anyone who played those games could play on those servers & 'chat' in private with who ever they wanted. Our national security spends billions collecting phone calls, emails & ignoring other ways to communicate with foreign governments.

[WinkyDink]

39. NS, Sherlock!