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BeyondGeography

(39,341 posts)
1. Jimmy Carter did that all the time
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:43 AM
Sep 2017

I thought it was an accent thing, and (maybe because I was rooting for him) therefore charming.

Shell_Seas

(3,328 posts)
2. What people?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:44 AM
Sep 2017

People with lisps? Speech disorders? Heavy southern accents? Heavy northern accents? 5 year olds?

I'm trying to go over in my head when people say, "important," I'm not sure I've heard anyone use it incorrectly like that. It may be a regional dialect thing.

rhiannon55

(2,671 posts)
7. I hear pundits do it
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:54 AM
Sep 2017

and politicians. I know Lyndsey Graham does the D thing, so maybe it's a southern accent. The leaving out of the T altogether, I wish I could cite someone who does it. I'll try to pay more attention.

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
3. Because the velar R sound has the tongue humped in the middle with the tip down.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:50 AM
Sep 2017

This increases the effort required for contact between the tongue-tip and the alveolar ridge behind the upper front teeth. Although it is possible to make a T sound with the tongue-tip behind the bottom front teeth, the result will not be as clearly defined as the alveolar ridge T sound.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
4. Pronunciations are usually learned at home.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:51 AM
Sep 2017

I tend to follow what people are saying as well as how they say it so it can be a brief distraction but also kind of fascinating. I'm American but my Australian is near perfect (I've been told).

Glorfindel

(9,714 posts)
5. I'd never really thought about that. I tend to say "importUnt," I believe.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:51 AM
Sep 2017

One of the many, many strangenesses of our wonderful English language. My favorite is that we (most of us) pronounce "wh" as "hw" as in which, what, when, where, and why.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
9. So you say hich, hat, hen, here, and hy?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:00 AM
Sep 2017

Where are you from that you pronounce any of those words without the 'w'?

The pronunciation of the digraph ⟨wh⟩ in English has changed over time, and still varies today between different regions and accents. It is now most commonly pronounced /w/, the same as a plain initial ⟨w⟩, although some dialects, particularly those of Scotland, Ireland, and the Southern United States, retain the traditional pronunciation /hw/, generally realized as [ʍ], a voiceless "w" sound. The process by which the historical /hw/ has become /w/ in most modern varieties of English is called the wine–whine merger. It is also referred to as glide cluster reduction.

Glorfindel

(9,714 posts)
11. Of course not. I'm from the southern Appalachians, and I pronounce the "hw" in those words.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:14 AM
Sep 2017

I have noticed that some people say "wich," "were," "wy," and "wen." And when I say "whine," it doesn't sound like "wine." I first became aware of this "hw" thing studying Gregg shorthand. The "h" in these cases is represented by a dot preceding the vowel. I think it's a pity that shorthand is a dead or dying skill. I always enjoyed taking dictation, and shorthand, along with other things, kept me out of combat, though not out of Vietnam.

tblue37

(65,215 posts)
8. It is part of the natural evolution of language to elide some sounds, especially
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:57 AM
Sep 2017

if they are hard to pronounce, and to drop other sounds altogether. That is how the silent "e" came to be at the ends of words and morphemes. It was previously a pronounced "schwa" sound (sort of like saying "uh" softly), but it eventually just dropped off.

The "t" sound in "important" is a bit awkward to articulate, and if spoken too forcefully sounds weird, like saying, "diDn't" with an overstress on the middle "d" so the word sounds like "diD-unt." But speaking the "t" softly tends to make it disappear, and when one is speaking at normal conversational speed, it will almost inevitably get elided and disappear.

rhiannon55

(2,671 posts)
10. Thanks for your explanation, tblue37
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:05 AM
Sep 2017

I was being a cranky English major about it. I assumed ignorance (not know how to spell the word), when it's really a linguistic thing.

I will stop being cranky about it. 😊

cbreezen

(694 posts)
12. Depends on where you grew up.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:15 AM
Sep 2017

I pronounce it with the "t" (from the West coast) but, in Texas and other Southern states, you will hear it pronounced with a "d". Never bothered me.

rock

(13,218 posts)
16. I pronounce it "imPOR?unt"
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:14 AM
Sep 2017

Where the "?" is a glottal stop, which, as I understand it, is pretty much standard. The English/American "t" is has a wide variety of renditions depending on (among other things) context: "t non-aspired","t aspired", "d", "?","ch" or "sh" preceding "i", and of course null (silent). You apparently have good discrimination for the phonetics!

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