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applegrove

(118,600 posts)
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:03 PM Sep 2017

Op-Ed There are 3 types of single-payer 'concern trolls' and they all want to undermine universal

healthcare

Adam H. Johnson at the LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-johnson-concern-trolls-single-payer-20170921-story.html

"SNIP.............

With momentum building for single-payer healthcare among Democratic voters and a growing number of 2020 hopefuls, Sen. Bernie Sanders unveiled a “Medicare for All” bill last week. Immediately, a number of pundits denounced the legislation as an “unrealistic” “bloated” “disaster” full of “magic math.”

Some of the naysayers are conservatives who simply abhor “big government.” Some have perfectly valid reasons to question the merits of single payer in general or Sanders’ methods in particular. Yet others claim they support universal healthcare in theory (one day, perhaps) but cannot do so now because of a “concern.” They are “concern trolls” — broadly defined as “a person who disingenuously expresses concern about an issue with the intention of undermining or derailing genuine discussion.”

The nuance troll: ‘We need more details!’

Less than 24 hours after the bill’s introduction, New York Magazine’s Jonathan Chait lamented that the bill gets America “zero percent” closer to single payer. While saying he agrees with single payer in theory, he insisted that the 155 million Americans who already have healthcare represent an insuperable barrier, and that the issue of how to move them all to a government-run system “is not a detail to be worked out. It is the entire problem.” As he noted, Lyndon Johnson failed and Hillary Clinton failed and Barack Obama failed to undo the private system. So why bother? It’s too hard; everyone go home.

Progressives lose nothing by setting bold targets right out of the gate.
Nuance trolling is argument by way of tautology, an attempt to pass off power-serving defeatism as savvy pragmatism. Nuance trolls simply cannot envision a bold legislative movement to alter the system.


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Op-Ed There are 3 types of single-payer 'concern trolls' and they all want to undermine universal (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2017 OP
Already posted. Control-Z Sep 2017 #1
Translation: Everyone who disagrees with me is some type of troll! FSogol Sep 2017 #2
People can have different opinions and not be trolls n/t taught_me_patience Sep 2017 #3
Calling people "trolls" and ascribing nefarious motives is a very weak response... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #4
..... LexVegas Sep 2017 #5
Asking for a detailed outline of how this is going to be paid for isn't concern trolling uponit7771 Sep 2017 #6
Why the double standard on DU ? If a Hillary supporter painted the Sanders supporters with such Trust Buster Sep 2017 #7

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. Calling people "trolls" and ascribing nefarious motives is a very weak response...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:14 PM
Sep 2017

... and it suggests to me that the writer is struggling with rational responses to legitimate concerns and honest questions and objections.

It's just a personal attack. Ad hominem, right? How does the writer know that these groups want to "undermine" universal health care (which is a term that's entirely different from "single-payer", btw.)

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. Why the double standard on DU ? If a Hillary supporter painted the Sanders supporters with such
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:42 PM
Sep 2017

A broad brush, I think we all know what would come next. Shouldn't the rules be applied equally on the "Democratic" Underground or is that just me ?

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