Count The Provisional Ballots & Hillary Won By Any Stretch Of The Imaginations.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Add all the purged voters who would have been able to vote and the margin would have been greater. Saying she lost is really wrong. We know that she should be the president right now. How many votes do you have win by 10 million.

In fact Democrats won more votes across the board and we know it. Gerrymandering bunched Democrats up.

[LonePirate]

1. Between voter purges, hacked voter rolls and voter suppression tactics, she lost millions of votes.

At least seven states would have flipped her way without all of the shenanigans and anti-democracy efforts from the Republicans.

[uponit7771]

4. THIS!! and its funny that all the states she was projected to win by higher margin were voter ...

... suppression red states with red governors and red secs of state.

Something that's not brought up a lot in the discussion regarding the 16 election.

[arthritisR_US]

7. Excellent points.

[Hortensis]

2. Yup. Repubs simply can't win by the popular, or even honest, vote anymore.

Not the White House, anyway, but also a lot of other offices. Cheating in the presidential race has typically been a faint shadow of what goes on in a lot of state races.

[arthritisR_US]

8. That's the net result in a banana republic.

[Hortensis]

9. We're not a banana republic (!), but all the rotten-banana state and county governments

are the reason federal regulations requiring states to conform at least somewhat to the principles of constitutional law have become so critically important.

[arthritisR_US]

10. Respectfully, i disagree. You can't call yourselves a democracy when the majority

will is ignored, when ethics in government is past tense and the oligarchy rules at the expense of the masses.

[Hortensis]

11. Not so respectfully, who fights to save a banana republic?

And what is the effect of going around making these extremely slanted claims except to demoralize others into not fighting for our republic?

DU is for Democrats. and practically by definition we believe we still have everything to fight for.

[arthritisR_US]

12. I was speaking respectfully, your dismissiveness of such noted. If reality demoralizes,

I'm sorry. I see the reality as a call to action. When the orange shitgibbon was inaugurated the protests that ensued gave me hope and, as the days wore on the protests continued. My intent is not to immobilize but like yourself fight for what you believe and have worked for...We the people...

[Hortensis]

13. When was this call to action and when was this war you presumably fought and lost?

The one I missed?

I do not accept this kind of undermining defeatism, and profound disrespect for and trashing of all we are and have, as insidious propaganda from Russians or billionaire fascists, and it's no more possible to "respect" when posted by members here. Or accept excuses that it was actually a call to suddenly "wake up" and engage in a pointless fight for what you've said was lost long ago.

[arthritisR_US]

15. No where in my post did I say I fought in some kind

of war. A call to action doesn't imply such. Yes, people have to wake up. When the gerrymandering began decades ago, democrats didn't give it the attention it merited. What the repigs have done has been decades in the working, banana republics don't start overnight.

[Hortensis]

20. Nor does contempt start overnight for Democrats and our democratic republic that is

proving its resilience and value to all of us even more than usual now. In case you missed it, Art, your premise is profoundly insulting to Democrats.

No surprise in the rest. I've never yet found that one of of those who insisted on declaring defeat before defeat is even conceivable had actually fought at the time they claim the rest of us should have. Over on a mixed forum I drop by now and then are right-wing counterparts who like to claim they've seen train cars carrying away conservatives who got in the way of Democrats. None of them do it as a call to arms, either, but only to claim "proof" that government of We the People was lost long ago, while only they noticed.

[arthritisR_US]

23. any insults I level are always at the party deserved, the repigs.

I haven't declared defeat, that is what you have inferred. Mixed forum? You have me at a loss. "train cars carrying away conservatives who got in the way of Democrats. None of them do it as a call to arms, either, but only to claim "proof" that government of We the People was lost long ago, while only they noticed." I don't know what the hell you're talking about or referencing, sorry. The underdogs right now are the Democrats, notable too is the fact that Democrats are the ONLY party fighting for the common man and ergo the only party whose salt and morals match.

[arthritisR_US]

26. I need to add mate, those not immobilized are the Indivisible,

they are the call to action, they are the warriors against what we are talking about. Discredit me as you will, that's ok, but you have to prevail.

[hedda_foil]

24. Who fights to save a banana Republic? That would be it's owners.

In this case, the Kochs, the Mercers and a hundred or so of their best buds.

[arthritisR_US]

28. Yep, and who gave them the crown you lost lives fighting against?

[drmeow]

14. Haven't been able to since Reagan

October surprise and lying through their teeth even then. Democrats believe in democracy, Republicans believe in Machiavellianism.

[Beartracks]

30. The free hand of the marketplace of ideas...

... would not favor Republicans. So while they purport to be in favor of unregulated economic capitalism, they most certainly are NOT interested in unregulated democracy.

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[uponit7771]

3. I thought provisional ballets get counted by default in all states? thx in advance

[groundloop]

22. NO.... the voter has to jump through hoops to prove he's eligible to vote, then it's counted

Say someone lives in a solid blue district and their name was magically erased from the list of registered voters (this is all hypothetical, of course, it would NEVER happen in real life). They'd cast a provisional ballot which would only get counted after that voter showed proof that he/she was truly registered to vote in that district. Most people would just go home and say to hell with it, and since this is a predominantly blue district there will be more Democrats affected than repukes (which is why any evidence that Russia may have hacked our voter rolls is scary as hell).

[uponit7771]

27. so the DNC should be counting the number of provisional ballots in every election in voter suppressi

... states especially after this election !!!

As I said above the 5 states she was projected to win and flipped for Red Don were all voter suppression states ... everyone of them.

WTF !?

Is this the rules for every state?

thx in advance

[samnsara]

5. Madam President!

[0rganism]

6. get ready for more of the same in 2018 and 2020

because while many among us recognize there is a serious problem, i haven't heard anyone come forward with a solution
Republicans now own the government at all levels. the mechanisms for preventing electoral harm are directly controlled by those who wish to inflict it for personal gain. there is no easy fix here.

[arthritisR_US]

16. Unless things radically change, sadly you may be all too right.

[world wide wally]

21. And therein lies the problem

[uponit7771]

29. One answer is according to the way provisional ballots work the dem candidate shouldn't say

... they're bowing out until all of them are counted and if there are anomalies ask for a recount that includes provisional.

I don't know why dem candidates haven't done this already, there's no trusting the KGOP when it comes to voter suppression.

[arthritisR_US]

17. You don't even need to count the provisional ballots to

know she won. Almost 3M more votes for her, 3M whose votes were summarily dismissed for the sake of the undemocratic electoral college 😡

[edhopper]

18. I am so tired of hearing how Trump won

without talking about this, and more. The GOP hijacked the election.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. The United States is more progressive and liberal than the representation would like to pretend. .nt

[FiveGoodMen]

31. In a practical sense, we're NOT progressive or liberal when we continue to let monsters rule us

[mythology]

25. An evidence free post

Freepers said the same things about Obama winning. You might as well say she won by eleventy billion votes. It would have the exact same proof.