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Puerto Rico may not have power for 6 months. That will change the way (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2017 OP
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Their wind farms had the blades torn off the wind turbines I saw on CNN. I would guess applegrove Sep 2017 #4
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Oh yes. There are probably lots of stuff one could buy online and don't use electricity. Hand crank applegrove Sep 2017 #9
Cities will have it first. Rural areas will likely wait forever Warpy Sep 2017 #2
This is where a smart government needs to protect the people. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #3
Hurricane proof buildings and solar SHRED Sep 2017 #6
American citizens of Puerto Rico. roamer65 Sep 2017 #7
They know. :) Going home someday will be a dream for a great number, but Hortensis Sep 2017 #35
PR isn't Cuba. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #37
No idea what that means, but fwiw it invites the comparison that Hortensis Sep 2017 #40
Florida may get 100,000 new citizens this year... Sancho Sep 2017 #8
Good. More Democratic VOTERS! roamer65 Sep 2017 #10
Hey Sancho! sheshe2 Sep 2017 #11
we left in the middle of the night when the lights went out... Sancho Sep 2017 #14
Good to hear. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #17
For some reason ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #33
So? nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2017 #36
Well we can list folks who no longer have any form of employment malaise Sep 2017 #12
Or even those jobs that still have to be done only without power. How does a teacher applegrove Sep 2017 #13
I experienced that after Gilbert malaise Sep 2017 #15
Oh the heat...with no fans...poor people. Where was Gilbert? applegrove Sep 2017 #16
Gilbert was a major hurricane - went from Morant Point to Negril in 1988 malaise Sep 2017 #18
Yes a friend was in that one. Said she never wants to be in another Hurricane applegrove Sep 2017 #20
You only need one major hurricane in your lifetime malaise Sep 2017 #26
I was in Hurricane Juan in Halifax, Nova Scotia. It was only a 2. But I'm done. applegrove Sep 2017 #27
Most important are hospitals and nursing homes. TexasProgresive Sep 2017 #19
Yes. Vibes especially to the small and weak. applegrove Sep 2017 #24
Surely the government has the resources Flaleftist Sep 2017 #30
The hospitals are running on generator power now. TexasProgresive Sep 2017 #34
Imagine that happening in Nebraska, West Virginia or any other state with a smaller population WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #21
Colonialism is the mother load of evil DBoon Sep 2017 #25
Hello, New Orleans. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #38
Consider going there for vacation and spending money in the local economy Not Ruth Sep 2017 #22
And you will stay where? And visit where? And disembark where? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #39
Where there is a will, there is a way Not Ruth Sep 2017 #41
I have a lot of clients from PR and called about a dozen of them and none of them have been able to grantcart Sep 2017 #23
Gonna be a lot of standing water for breeding mosquitos NickB79 Sep 2017 #28
. applegrove Sep 2017 #29
We were going to go in March to visit family NickB79 Sep 2017 #31
Oh no. Stay safe. applegrove Sep 2017 #32
Orlando will get even more crowded AngryAmish Sep 2017 #42
Wouldn't it make sense for hurricane-prone areas to have underground power? Vinca Sep 2017 #43

Response to applegrove (Original post)

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
4. Their wind farms had the blades torn off the wind turbines I saw on CNN. I would guess
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:25 PM
Sep 2017

that debris would have damaged many solar panels but I'm guessing on that.

Response to applegrove (Reply #4)

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
9. Oh yes. There are probably lots of stuff one could buy online and don't use electricity. Hand crank
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:36 PM
Sep 2017

radios, solar panels on back packs that recharge their phones, hand warmth coffee cups that keep liquids warm. I hope they have a lot of that stuff because they won't be able to go online and buy it in the next few weeks or months.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
2. Cities will have it first. Rural areas will likely wait forever
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:24 PM
Sep 2017

I hope some of the power crews that are finishing up in Florida head down that way.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
3. This is where a smart government needs to protect the people.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:25 PM
Sep 2017

Completely rethink the grid from the bottom up. Corporate entities will look at the bottom line while the government can look at the whole picture.

Vibes their way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. They know. :) Going home someday will be a dream for a great number, but
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 06:05 AM
Sep 2017

that will depend on whether Democrat or Republican policies prevail in future. Do we tackle climate change? Do we rebuild better? Do we make another, better try at developing economic and environmental sustainability for PR?

Under Republicans, PR could end up a resort for the wealthy, with profits flowing out to investors and most of its remaining residents shunted into a serving class, or as one of those dollar- and soul-sucking cheap gambling resorts for working classes, again with profits flowing out and most jobs low-pay service. Or a big slum.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. No idea what that means, but fwiw it invites the comparison that
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 07:14 AM
Sep 2017

a centralized authoritarian government can be very useful in emergencies and is likely to benefit Cuba right now.

PR has its local governments and bankrupt government-owned corporations, all ultimately under the control and "mercy" of Rump and a congress controlled by a badly corrupted and broken Republican Party. And, of course, free enterprises, which are all no doubt currently recalculating their projected profits and losses from investments in PR. A perfect storm, and I'm not referring to Maria.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
14. we left in the middle of the night when the lights went out...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:51 PM
Sep 2017

and are back. Little damage here, but lots of problems in South Fl.

sheshe2

(83,752 posts)
17. Good to hear.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:11 PM
Sep 2017

Glad to know you are safe. The islands are devastated after Marie coming as a second hit. Understandably people are moving onto the mainland.

Bill checked in once after it passed. He was staying. after riding out the storm at his place, at his brothers. Sounds like he will have no electricity for awhile.

Be well

malaise

(268,980 posts)
12. Well we can list folks who no longer have any form of employment
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:47 PM
Sep 2017

because electricity is required. This is frightening and life-changing.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
13. Or even those jobs that still have to be done only without power. How does a teacher
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:49 PM
Sep 2017

photocopy a test for their students? I guess they go back to the blackboard. Things like that.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
15. I experienced that after Gilbert
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:54 PM
Sep 2017

All the copy rooms on our campus had generators. The problem was the hot lecture rooms.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
26. You only need one major hurricane in your lifetime
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:59 PM
Sep 2017

The wind howling for hours is unbearable and the inconvenience and discomfort that follows is worse. Sure we adjust and we survive but it's no fun. Now imagine if on top of that your home has been destroyed, and you have no employment.

They say life is what happens after your make plans.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
27. I was in Hurricane Juan in Halifax, Nova Scotia. It was only a 2. But I'm done.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:01 PM
Sep 2017

Next time a 3 or stronger heads my way I'm leaving.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
30. Surely the government has the resources
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:37 PM
Sep 2017

to get the necessary generators these facilities and keep them running to help these American citizens. But will they?

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
34. The hospitals are running on generator power now.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 05:39 AM
Sep 2017

These generators are large stationary machines that are enormous, capable of producing 500 kilowatts to a megawatt. Replacement units would have to be trucked in on 18 wheelers.

In any case, this is not sustainable over long term. Equipment breaks down and there is the problem with fuel. What is needed now is the evacuation of patients to the mainland.

It is a sad reality that Puerto Rico is going to be an ongoing catastrophe.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,334 posts)
21. Imagine that happening in Nebraska, West Virginia or any other state with a smaller population
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:22 PM
Sep 2017

than Puerto Rico. Colonization is an ugly thing.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. I have a lot of clients from PR and called about a dozen of them and none of them have been able to
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:23 PM
Sep 2017

contact family members there.

Some are taking time off to get to the island so they can bring their family members back.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
28. Gonna be a lot of standing water for breeding mosquitos
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:27 PM
Sep 2017

And no A/C, so you'll have to leave windows and doors open to catch a breeze (it's hot and humid as hell there a good portion of the year from my experience).

Get ready for massive malaria, dengue and Zika outbreaks

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
31. We were going to go in March to visit family
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:39 PM
Sep 2017

Now, I'm not sure it's where I want to bring a 7 yr old. But the way things are going, it might be the last chance she gets to see her great-grandma.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
43. Wouldn't it make sense for hurricane-prone areas to have underground power?
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 07:58 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe the main power station would be destroyed, but it would be one thing to rebuild rather than a million.

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