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I am watching McCain on Ken Burns "Vietnam" on PBS (Original Post) BigmanPigman Sep 2017 OP
Well, he said he loved his wife dalton99a Sep 2017 #1
Which one? jmowreader Sep 2017 #9
BP, we shall see. mobeau69 Sep 2017 #2
it escapes me how anything he did in vietnam makes him a hero beyond surviving which msongs Sep 2017 #3
His "heroism" as a senator is about equal to that of an BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #5
Millions HDSam Sep 2017 #7
Although I will disagree with most of McCain's views GeoWilliam750 Sep 2017 #8
Well, he was kept prisoner of war for 5 years, and supposedly volunteered to stay... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #14
I'd really like to see President Warren or President Franken or President Booker MrPurple Sep 2017 #4
I still really want to see President Hillary Clinton. haveahart Sep 2017 #11
Ditto Little Star Sep 2017 #12
Double ditto! BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #13
No doubt, but going forward, someone else is going to have to carry the torch MrPurple Sep 2017 #15
Is he a hero because he wanted regular order? Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #6
Every Congressperson who already takes a non-grandstanding position... Guilded Lilly Sep 2017 #10

mobeau69

(11,133 posts)
2. BP, we shall see.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:43 AM
Sep 2017

Will he be a true profile in courage? One last shot for the old pilot that the asshole mocked.

msongs

(67,361 posts)
3. it escapes me how anything he did in vietnam makes him a hero beyond surviving which
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:06 AM
Sep 2017

millions of other people did

BigmanPigman

(51,568 posts)
5. His "heroism" as a senator is about equal to that of an
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:17 AM
Sep 2017

overpaid celebrity sports figure who is also a "hero" for some reason that escapes my logic.

GeoWilliam750

(2,521 posts)
8. Although I will disagree with most of McCain's views
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:05 AM
Sep 2017

I do not doubt his love of the United States, and as to being a hero, I find it hard to call a man otherwise when he has won a Silver Star, three Bronze Stars, two Legions of Merit, a Distinguished Flying Cross, and two Purple Hearts.

And yes, I hope that he again shows the bravery necessary to defend the United States from the current threats.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
14. Well, he was kept prisoner of war for 5 years, and supposedly volunteered to stay...
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sep 2017

.....when others got freed.

So your opinion, consciously or not, comes off sounding a lot like Donald Trump's infamous opinion.

I don't agree with a lot of McCain's politics, but I think it's pretty much settled he went above and beyond the call of duty during his time in Vietnam and deserves praise for that.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
4. I'd really like to see President Warren or President Franken or President Booker
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:08 AM
Sep 2017

award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Ken Burns. He'd be a very worthy recipient - have learned a wonderful amount of nuanced, textured American history due to him.

 

haveahart

(905 posts)
11. I still really want to see President Hillary Clinton.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 04:38 AM
Sep 2017

Despite what many here say, she is an awesome woman, who was robbed in so many ways of the win. All the new information coming out now makes Trump more illegitimate than ever. And he knows it.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
15. No doubt, but going forward, someone else is going to have to carry the torch
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 06:51 PM
Sep 2017

Lots of people here slam him for being too corporate, but I could see Cory Booker playing like an identity politics vote for a 3rd term of Obama and I think that might be the option that would get the best results. It's obviously way too long away to know, but a natural thought.

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
6. Is he a hero because he wanted regular order?
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:27 AM
Sep 2017

That's why he said he voted against it, not because of the harm it would do.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
10. Every Congressperson who already takes a non-grandstanding position...
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 04:28 AM
Sep 2017

And is voting NO is more politically heroic in my eyes, than McCain.
I don't trust, like or respect political John McCain.

I am horrified, saddened and cringe at the horrific abuse he endured to return home after his imprisonment and can't fathom the agony he and his loved ones endured during that time. His survival commands a sincerely patriotic pride within me.

While I wholeheartedly applaud and recognize his personal courage and resolve to survive such barbaric inhumanity, while I wish the very best for him in his current physical fight against a disease that will ultimately be the victor (as it was with my veteran father at a much younger age) I cannot praise or condone his political performances.

He serves John McCain's ego. In my eyes, he grandstands at every opportunity. When that grandstanding falls in favor of the ideals I support, I must begrudgingly be grateful to that outcome.

But he is no political hero. Not to me.

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