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GOP Senator Susan Collins confirms Graham-Cassidy would gut protections for pre-existing conditions (Original Post) kpete Sep 2017 OP
Her and Rand Paul voting no is enough to defeat it. McCain...who knows what he'll do... brush Sep 2017 #1
No - it's not leftynyc Sep 2017 #6
No. Promee Sep 2017 #7
NOW it's dead leftynyc Sep 2017 #15
McCain comes out against it also....just read now. Hulk Sep 2017 #17
...and so you're leaning? Zoonart Sep 2017 #2
Beat me to it! FiveGoodMen Sep 2017 #16
I know! Shit or get off the pot! n/t TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #24
She's on the right side of the bill, no pun intended. Hope she stays strong and don't let the men politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2017 #3
When are these knuckleheads in the GOP going to figure out The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #4
They don't care. crazylikafox Sep 2017 #5
The Republicans have figured out how to FuzzyRabbit Sep 2017 #8
And they want doctors publicly pricing all of their services, Ilsa Sep 2017 #18
Uh, no. Costs will not come "down so low." WinkyDink Sep 2017 #20
Right, but it's their dream, and Ilsa Sep 2017 #23
Republicans never have been concerned with health one way or another. IT'S PROFITS, BABY. $$$$$$$$$. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #19
Best for the people of Maine? pangaia Sep 2017 #9
Supposedly "Graham-Cassidy Kill Bill" is about states taking charge. oasis Sep 2017 #10
Well, I get that. pangaia Sep 2017 #11
The mandate to purchase is eliminated SHRED Sep 2017 #12
Please have another attack of conscience, Senator treestar Sep 2017 #13
McCain just announced he's voting "No" eom bluevoter4life Sep 2017 #14
Susan, this is a no-brainer! FFS! How could this evil bill possibly be the "right thing" for smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #21
Trump has been very quiet today after the revelations of a no vote, I DONT trust them... Old Vet Sep 2017 #22

brush

(53,743 posts)
1. Her and Rand Paul voting no is enough to defeat it. McCain...who knows what he'll do...
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:52 PM
Sep 2017

since his buddy Graham is a co-author.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
3. She's on the right side of the bill, no pun intended. Hope she stays strong and don't let the men
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:09 PM
Sep 2017

intimidate her. Graham-Cassidy deserves to go down in defeat and it will if Bernie Sanders gets out of the way and doesn't allow the GOP the opportunity to pull a victory out of defeat at the last moment.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,590 posts)
4. When are these knuckleheads in the GOP going to figure out
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:18 PM
Sep 2017

that "free market" health insurance simply does not work? There is no way to make it work with for-profit insurance companies paying benefits for the simple reason that there has to be a large number of premium-payers who don't make claims in order to create a pool sufficient for the claims of those who do. Arguably everybody needs some kind of health insurance, even young, healthy people, because they can get sick or injured, too. But the likelihood that older people or those who already have health problems will make claims is obviously much higher. So where does the money come from to pay those claims if there is no large group of healthy people paying in? It has to come from higher premiums charged to those who are most likely to need medical care - the old and the sick.

But what if those people can't afford those premiums, which could be staggeringly high? They don't get treatment at all, or they go bankrupt trying to pay for it. That's the free market: You can have what you need if you can afford it. But if you want universal coverage, where everybody gets their medical bills, you can't have a free market health insurance system. The GOP's convoluted plan to shift costs to the states in block grants just makes things worse because you get to live or die depending on how generous or stingy your state might be in any given year. You will still be given the "choice" of buying insurance if you can afford it, or not buying it if you can't. Smoke and mirrors. It. Doesn't. Work.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
8. The Republicans have figured out how to
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:33 PM
Sep 2017

destroy America as we know it. That is why they vote against consistently against the interests of the people they are supposed to represent.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
18. And they want doctors publicly pricing all of their services,
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:49 PM
Sep 2017

to supposedly increase competition. I can imagine some areas where there could be too much competition, bringing prices down so low that doctors become callous because they feel like they are working for minimum wage.

"So I amputated the wrong leg. What do you expect at these roch-bottom prices?"

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
23. Right, but it's their dream, and
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 08:48 PM
Sep 2017

even if it folds in on itself, they believe in the idea of competition making it affordable, therefore, wonderful and the most enviable system -- making money on the illness and pain of others.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
9. Best for the people of Maine?
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:34 PM
Sep 2017

What about people of the whole freakin' country??

And FIGURE OUT??
You have to, FIGURE IT OUT..??

What the fuck is there to figure out?

I mean the simplest tell is that it si republican plan.

oasis

(49,328 posts)
10. Supposedly "Graham-Cassidy Kill Bill" is about states taking charge.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:41 PM
Sep 2017

She was careful to craft her statement to reflect her concern for Maine.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. Well, I get that.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:46 PM
Sep 2017

But why not stop being 'careful' and tell the whole truth..

Maine folks AND every person in the US of R!

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
12. The mandate to purchase is eliminated
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:59 PM
Sep 2017

Therefore the preexisting condition funding goes away.

Pretty simple to figure out really.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. Susan, this is a no-brainer! FFS! How could this evil bill possibly be the "right thing" for
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 05:08 PM
Sep 2017

the people of Maine, or for anyone in this country for that matter? Jeeze! What is wrong with these people? What do they think the fallout is going to be once this bill goes into effect once it passes - if it passes? Do they think their constituents are going to embrace them as saviors?

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
22. Trump has been very quiet today after the revelations of a no vote, I DONT trust them...
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 05:22 PM
Sep 2017

To keep there word(McCain,Paul) and vote no. Trump was losing his little fucking mind during the last healthcare repeal vote. I just don't know, After McCain and Paul going no, One would think Trump would be losing his mind but were getting silence.

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