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Cassidy said he will continue to fight for the father whose daughter has a pre existing condition and who pays $40,000 for insurance. Does anyone know that ACA well enough to explain?
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)How about he explains his lies?
bullimiami
(13,086 posts)DFW
(54,365 posts)I respectfully (OK, not much respect involved) declined.
maxsolomon
(33,316 posts)who offered you this?
how does healthcare work in Germany?
what did it entail?
DFW
(54,365 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 22, 2017, 06:10 PM - Edit history (1)
I moved here permanently (Düsseldorf area) in 2011. I kept my US Blue Cross just in case, but they tend to deny every charge incurred outside the USA. So my wife, a German social worker, checked out my possibilities here. Since my employer was still in the USA, the only possibility was with one of a few German insurers that handled my kind of case. I went there, explained my situation, and they asked me if I had any pre-existing conditions. I said yes, heart issues, and gave them details. They said they'd get back to me with a quote, which they did: 2500 a month, or 30,000 a year, which is about $36,000 at today's rates. It was more then, as the dollar was weaker at the time.
Health care in Germany is run by a complicated patchwork of insurance companies that cater to various kinds of people. The government takes over (supposedly) for retirees, although my wife hit 65 in June, and though she submitted her paperwork right away, we're still waiting. Most of these companies are non-profit "Kassen," which get their money from employer and employee contributions which are collected off of gross salary. It's different, depending on what kind of employee (private, public, etc.), and there is also "private" insurance, which means you pay up front and the insurance company is supposed to reimburse you afterward if your procedure is covered. If not, you're out of luck (and pocket). The advantage to being "privat" is that you get first class treatment at the doctor's office (go to the front of the line, priority for appointments, single bed room at the hospital, etc.) instead of tourist class (wait at the doctor, appointments in a few months, if they think there is an opening). At any time, there are a few hundred thousand citizens who fall through the cracks and have no health insurance at all.
At 60 years old, my wife had a serious thyroid operation, and was (along with other women at her workplace) the victim of mobbing. She made a deal with her employer, and took early retirement. As soon as her salaried time ran out, I had to pick up the bill for her medical insurance (700 a month, or about $840 at today's rates). She got a rare, and usually fatal form of cancer about a year ago, and found a specialist surgeon who waived the waiting period for her class (2nd) of patient due to the urgency. She lucked out, as she was that one in a thousand who discovered her cancer incredibly early. Her kind of cancer was called "Der Mörder," or "The Murderer," since it is usually only discovered too late. This was her second time with cancer. The surgeon said he usually recommended chemo and radiation, but said this was that one case in a thousand where he recommended against it, as he though it would do more harm than good. The 80 or so biopsies they did were, amazingly, ALL negative. So in her case, the 700 a month paid off. Her 3 and a half weeks in the hospital plus operation plus biopsies plus the rest would have wiped us out otherwise, even though the cost here would have been about a third of what it would have been in the States.
that sounds almost as bad as America.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)without the luck factor, it sounds worse than the US. Wait times for test in serious cases are negligible here; not so much in some other countries.
DFW
(54,365 posts)See my post below with the details
DFW
(54,365 posts)Although you end up as a second class patient. But those of us who don't fit into their convenient little categories are completely screwed, unless you make so much, they move you into "privat."
I would have been dead in 2004 if I had been a normal German. I had felt some twinges in my shoulder and a little shortness of breath. Since two of my grandparents had died of heart attacks in their sixties, I read up and knew these were symptoms of heart trouble. I was in Italy at the time with my wife, but we flew back to Germany together on a Saturday. That Monday, I looked up cardiologists on our town and picked one whose practice was on a street I knew. They said they had an appointment free in two months. I said I was was from the USA, and passing through, and had a hunch it was urgent, and that I would pay right away. Suddenly they had appointment that afternoon. They caught that something was wrong, scheduled an echo-stress test for Wednesday, and I was on the operating table by Thursday morning getting stents put in. The surgeon said I was a massive heart attack just waiting to happen, and that I was the luckiest man in Europe that day because he put the stents in "just in time." That was the only English he used the whole time. He said if I had waited another day or so, I might not have survived the heart attack I was about to have. So, you can imagine what would have happened to me if I had been a normal German, and had accepted the appointment two months after calling.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)I have also been very fortunate. I had cancer treatment 31 years ago, and because we had great group insurance, it cost very, very little out of pocket--$10 for slipper socks! (BTW, that coverage didn't last very long because people abused it.)
When my PCP discovered my heart issues a few years ago, she was able to get me a referral to the Cleveland Clinic, and they got me in pronto. Good thing. The local cardiologist wanted to operate within a year. The CC cardiologist was knowledgeable enough to diagnose it as radiation-induced heart valve disease, and decided on a watchful waiting approach.
I wish everyone had the kind of access, the docs with the expertise, etc., that I have had. Just don't see how that is possible.
DFW
(54,365 posts)After he declared me out of danger, he asked me: If you are from the USA and had never seen a cardiologist before, how did you know to pick the one you did? I said, "he was the only one whose office was on a street I knew how to find without looking it up." He told me that I had lucked out pure and simple, because he was the best for miles around. With my low (115/75) blood pressure, not every cardiologist might have recognized the urgency of my symptoms and sent me to the hospital as quickly as he did.
brucefan
(1,549 posts)On msnbc said he pays $30,000 with a $10,000 deductible
maxsolomon
(33,316 posts)plus Rick and his wife, that's 11 people on 1 plan. $2,700/person.
how much does he think he should pay for a decent plan?
brucefan
(1,549 posts)Only that he had a disabled daughter.
maxsolomon
(33,316 posts)Trisome 18.
The cost of her yearly care has to be in the 100s of 1000s. He should STFU or advocate for Universal Coverage.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Silver plan...he has a child with pre-existing condition...
VMA131Marine
(4,138 posts)I'd say he probably has a gold plan, but his deductible seems too high for that.
BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)I know this...I have the ACA and a pre existing condition. I had to pay $1,000 a day for hospital care out of pocket with the ACA last Sept. I have to pay my premiums, expensive meds and out of pocket costs. I can't teach anymore and paid $15,000 a year for health insur before the ACA and I was making $13,000 a year part time teaching. If I didn't teach while I was sick I wouldn't have been able to get any insurance at all. Now I am on disability and 35% of that goes to health bills. Without the ACA it will be way over 50% and I will have to take my 83 year old parents savings to pay for the needed life long surgeries to reduce some of the severe pain of my disease. Health care is a huge rip off! That is why we need to get single payer after we hopefully save the ACA.
Stay vigilant and keep calling Congress (202)224-3121 and do not stop until Oct. 1st. DO NOT TRUST THEM! The mega rich donors are really pressuring them since they already invested a lot of money into the GOP for guaranteed votes and tax cuts. McConnell needs a win. He is evil and sneaky and has one week to get the votes. Never underestimate their pure greed. Please keep calling non stop! Thanks!
MichMary
(1,714 posts)is too much? We were quoted $1700/month, no subsidy, $9000 co-pay for one person, $13,500 for both, and the choice of exactly one plan. Oh, and we will find out the new -increased- rate in a week or so. How much that is may determine whether retirement this year is possible.
Don't know of anyone who pays the full cost of their ACA-compliant policy who is happy with it.
Ms. Toad
(34,066 posts)Especially if he is fudging the numbers and the $40,000 is the family's medical costs.
Our daughter (still living at home, still a dependent at 27) is no longer eligible for our health care plan - even though she is not capable of living independently.
The maximum permitted out-of-pocket for a family plan is $14,300, and for an individual is 7150. For the three of us that would be $21450 (a family plan plus an individual plan), leaving $18550 in premiums to hit $40,000. Per person, that would be $515/month. Not outrageous.
In a single year, I had cancer (and diabetes, and thyroid disease), my spouse had expensive allergies (her cheap shots had to be replaced with a new drug-based desensitization that costs an arm and a leg), diabetes, kidney stones (requiring lithotrypsy), and my daughter had her routine $60-100,000 per year in medical expenses. Each of us would have hit the maximum out of cap expenses that year - putting our premium + out of pocket costs at around $40,000.
Chronic illnesses are incredibly burdensome under the current ACA. Plans with deductibles equal to the out-of-pocket annual caps - as many of the current plans have - are not designed for people who have large expenses every single year. They are designed to keep you from going bankrupt when it happens once a decade or so.
On her own, with unsubsidized ACA plans, my daughter's annual out-of-pocket expenses would be around $13,150/year - just about her current annual income (for reference). Each and every year. It is dramatically better than before the ACA (when all the money in the world would not buy health insurance for her), and dramatically better than the Cassidy bill (which would - under the plans announced by likely the next governor of our state - eliminate the pre-existing conditions, the out-of-pocket caps, etc.).
But - it is obviously not sustainable. That aspect of the ACA is desperately in need of a fix.
(Fortunately, because of the ACA, my daughter has absolutely fantastic health insurance as a 32-hour "full time" employee. She pays around $45/month, and has an effective annual cap of $1,500 per year (if she opens an HSA, they give her $500 toward the $2,000 annual cap). Her plan is far better than mine as a full time employee of a public university.)