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Stinky The Clown

(67,790 posts)
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 08:10 PM Sep 2017

ACA repeal is very much alive

Yes, the wind is at our backs right now, but they're more like August winds on Long Island Sound - fluky. McCain could change. Murkowski is not "leaning" anywhere; she officially undecided. Collins is a lean no, but her wet finger is in the air, seeing which way the shifting winds will turn. I have zero faith in Paul's no vote.

Then there's the Menendez factor. Will he break away from his days in court fighting the criminal charges against him and come to DC to cast a NO vote, or will he stay in NJ and attend court. The trial will not recess for him, so I see his vote as iffy.

A part of me sees this whole thing as Kabuki hatched by Graham and McCain.

Another part of me sees this as deadly serious and a bona fide attempt at repeal.

So I will not be congratulating anyone on anything until this one gets to the floor vote.

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Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
1. I don't even see how we can be so sure about McCain. Maybe he'll do a dramatic,
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 08:20 PM
Sep 2017

last minute thumbs up this time.

I just don't trust Rs.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
4. Depends on the choice of dirty trick.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 08:28 PM
Sep 2017

If the R's have something to blackmail McCain or his family, they'll use it now.

Not to get dark and snarky, but with the cancer, they can't threaten his Senate seat as nobody knows how his treatment's going and he has the sympathy of being a cancer patient.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
7. I notice the McCain hate is vicious on twitter right now,
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 10:09 PM
Sep 2017

reminding me that sympathy for anyone who doesn't fall in line isn't big with the Rs.

I might have to tune out for a few days. The suspense is driving me crazy.

nini

(16,672 posts)
9. I agree
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 10:44 PM
Sep 2017

He's giving the other repubs an out to vote no also. Unfortunately it's only a few but it should be enough to hopefully kill this damn thing.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
3. Menendez. Why can't his counsel request an ADJOURNMENT to allow him
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 08:26 PM
Sep 2017

to travel to DC for a HALF DAY to vote against the Repeal?

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
10. He did request it and the judge said no
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 12:21 AM
Sep 2017

The judges reasoning was that by allowing adjournments for him to vote would be an attempt by Menendez to influence the jury of his importance.

BTW, the trial is Mon - Thurs with Fridays off. He can go vote anyway but he would have to waive his right to confront his accusers under the Constitution when he does.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
8. I think it fails this time. But its a long fight
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 10:41 PM
Sep 2017

I read they can try reconciliation again in January. I have my plan from the exchanges, so it’s a constant personal worry. That’s in addition to my worry about how it would ruin the lives of others.

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