A second Civil War if Trump is impeached?

[Cyrano]

I've been reading articles about various groups who are trying to instigate a civil war if the congress impeaches Trump.

Some of these articles were about fundamentalist "Christian" preachers who were predicting that "God" would "smite" us if we were to go after Trump. And they went on to proclaim that there would be an armed rebellion of "Christians" who would rise up in the name of "God."

Some reporters interviewed wingnut militia groups, and extremists of all sorts, including some self-proclaimed KKK leaders. They also threatened armed rebellion if Trump were to be impeached.

My bad to not have grabbed/copied/pasted the various articles I've read over the past few months and posted them here.

Nonetheless, if congress does somehow get around to impeaching the Orange Menace, you can bet that there will be a whole lot of armed crazies out there trying to get their "New Civil War" started.

It's hard to see how a country could have a "Second Civil War" when there are no geographic boundaries separating the factions. After all, while we believe that Trump is nuts, our next door neighbor might love him. Strange "battle lines" for a major "civil war" to take place.

It's virtually impossible for a "Civil War" to take place under such circumstances. Think about it. Is every American going to go after every other American who doesn't have the same political beliefs? That way lies madness.

So the bottom line is: What do we do about those who believe a Civil War is coming and really want it to happen? Here's the answer. Ignore them. It ain't gonna' happen.

And if it does, we'll be living in a post apocalyptic (Mad Max) type world where none of this crap will matter.

[Initech]

1. The republicans want a civil war no matter what the outcome of Trump is.

That's why they keep poking the hornet's nest - they want all hell to be unleashed.

[dembotoz]

2. at first i thought over the top but alas you might be right

[HAB911]

3. When push comes to shove

these idiots will do nothing but whine and cry

[brush]

27. Yes, and what are they gonna do anyway with AR-15s against army tanks?

[Downtown Hound]

4. LOL. Their most determined and passionate supporters

could barely manage a thousand knuckleheads to show up in Charlottesville. Remember that that event was supposed to unite the entire right wing. And after a week of blowback and getting maced in the face and beat with sticks by Antifa, and doxxed online and fired from their jobs, they went back into hiding.

I do think we'll see some extremist bullshit, assaults and vandalism and maybe an armed occupation or two similar to what the Bundy Klan did in Oregon, but a full on civil war? They don't have the stomach for that. They've been threatening it for years and nothing has happened yet. And nothing will. These people are cowards at heart.

[Cyrano]

10. Yep. Pretty much what the 2nd to last paragraph

in my OP indicates. Most of them are crazies of one sort or another. And some are probably relatively sane, but ignorant Trump lovers.

The bottom line is that, there might be some violence from "American terrorists," but that will be it.

Strange how Republicans avoid calling American terrorists, "terrorists."

[newblewtoo]

17. I think this goes pretty much to the heart

of the question. Terrorist actions much like the IRA or ISIS. The groups do seem dispersed and disorganized at the moment. If a casus belli such as impeachment is provided that could change rapidly. One thing is certain, they would concentrate on disruption of major population centers on the coasts. How long it would take to rout them out? How long have they been after AntiFa, et al?

Home grown terrorists are very difficult to combat as we learned in the sixties and seventies.

[leftstreet]

19. +1

They like 'talking' big, but they can't 'do' big

[Initech]

25. They could barely manage a hundred at the "Mother Of All Rallies".

A civil war with these lunatics would be very short lived when nobody shows up!

[Buns_of_Fire]

41. Especially if nobody thought to provide for porta-potties. nt

[CatMor]

5. I think most of his followers.....

are bone spur sufferers.

[Cyrano]

14. No problem. It's a temporary ailment

It only comes about if you're being looked at as a candidate for being drafted into the army. After that, the "bone spur fairy" makes it disappear.

[uponit7771]

6. The Fluffy Fighting Force will enter into a civil war as soon they finish their burgers

[shockey80]

7. We shame them. Treat them like lepers.

They will crawl back under the rocks from which they came from. They are the scum of the earth. They are racists. We know how to deal with racists.

[nolabear]

8. A Civil Kerfuffle maybe.

Those deplorables don't want to actually fight. They want to bully. Real opposition and they'll run like bunnies.

[DeltaLitProf]

9. These men are cowards, Donnie.

The GOP will turn on Trump the minute he becomes hopeless as a means of passing their legislation. He is practically there already. When he is connected to doing the bidding of Putin in exchange for favorable financing for Trump Organization and cyber attacks, they will cut him loose and circle wagons around Pence. And everyone from Fox News to Alex Jones to Franklin Graham will fall into line.

[Dave Starsky]

11. We saw a preview of it with the Bundy Ranch Bunch.

Those armed-to-the-teeth, fearless guerilla fighters who settled in for a long winter seige, then turned to the Internet to plead for soft drinks, candy, and Fritos Scoops within a week, ultimately folding like a cheese rollup shortly after.

And this was their best, their brightest, and their most motivated at work.

I'm not too worried about the coming Dumbfuck Revolution. Like grandpa used to say, these guys couldn't organize a fuck in a whorehouse.

[stevenleser]

12. That would mean a Republican civil war against Pence. As bad as a civil war would be...

... if we have to have one that's the best scenario.

A Republican President forced to put down a rebellion by Republicans.

[Maeve]

13. More like a second Battle of Fort Fizzle

where the resistance dissolved when faced with actual troops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Fizzle

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

15. 18 U.S. Code 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

[Turbineguy]

32. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk

are just south of that line.

[sarisataka]

16. Not all civil wars

Are lines of blue and grey soldiers blasting away at each other. Many are low-intensity asymmetric wars that are not much more than series of random acts of violence.

Essentially take our current society and multiply the violence by 5, 10 or more...

[Cyrano]

20. If what you're indicating came about,

it would be a horror.

However, I really don't believe there are enough crazies in this country to bring about a "revolution" and then establishing some kind of a stable "governing entity."

[sarisataka]

24. Horror indeed

I hold no illusions of a successful civil war. Rather than a unified movement I see many independent groups with similar stated goals but working at cross purpose more than cooperating

[roamer65]

39. Yes, imagine former Yugoslavia times 10.

Then add in an invasion from Mexico to protect Mexican Americans, backed by the Sino-Russian alliance (SCO).

But before we reach a former Yugoslavia style "tipping point", we will have been treated to a horrific currency crisis which will result in a world wide depression that makes the GD look like a picnic.

[GeorgeGist]

18. Don't worry ...

[Cyrano]

22. You just gotta' stare at it in disbelief

A handful of human beings who consist of the deluded, the hopelessly stupid, and/or the incredibly evil.

Take your pick. There' no other explanation for those who showed up with their stupid hats, tee shirts and twisted concepts of reality.

[Thomas Hurt]

21. Most of them are grifters and liars like Trump, though won't endanger

their careers and families. Unfortunately just like of late there are those who will snap. I could see an increase in right wing terrorism, even up to another OKC, but not real civil war.

Griffin – 1993
Hill - 1994
Salvi - 1994
*McVeigh – 1995
*Nichols – 1995
Larry Wayne Shoemake – 1996
Eric Rudolph - 1996
Eric Rudolph – 1998
James Kopp - 1998
*Alan Pilon, Robert Mason, Jason McVean – 1998
Benjamin and James Williams – 1999
Buford Furrow – 1999
Richard Baumhammers – 2000
Mark Stroman – 2001
*Steven Bixby - 2003
Wade and Christopher Lay - 2004
Jim Adkisson – 2008
Keith Luke – 2009
*Keith Poplawski – 2009
*Joshua Cartwright – 2009
Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, Jason Bush - 2009
Scott Roeder – 2009
James Von Brunn – 2009
Joseph Stack - 2010
*Jerry and Joseph Kane - 2010
David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby – 2011
Wade Page – 2012
*Brian Smith and Kyle Joekel – 2012
Christopher Lacy – 2012
Frazier Miller – 2014
*Eric Frein - 2014
*Amanda and Jerad Miller 2014
Dylan Roof - 2015
Robert Dear – 2015
*James Jackson - 2017
Jeremy Christian 2017
James Fields – 2017
*Killed Law Enforcement Officers

[Cyrano]

23. A roll call of sick and/or evil monsters who

did everything in their power to destroy the concept of "Civilization."

Their missions were death and destruction based on hatred.

No way we can allow them, or others like them, to destroy the common decency that allows us to coexist (more or less) peacefully.

[Persondem]

26. Very doubtful. The military will go with the government so long as the Constitution is followed

and, as someone already stated, there are no clear geographic boundaries. Blue states vs. Red states?? Naaawwww.

In 1861 the military was split by those who felt greater loyalty to their state than to the USA.

[atreides1]

34. I'd like to point out something

There are some in the military who think just like those people, you know McVeigh types!

Like former Marine Staff Sergeant Joseph Manning

http://nypost.com/2017/09/14/marine-kicked-out-of-corps-for-flying-white-supremacist-banner/


Or former Marine Staff Sergeant and Marine Recruiter Dillon Hopper(who also happened to have been at Charlottesville,Va)

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/16/leader-charlottesville-white-nationalist-group-marine-recruiter.html

[bearsfootball516]

28. Like Persondom said

It would be tough for starters, to create boundaries. It was easier in the Civil War because the slavery states were already separated from non-slavery states. There's no real way to create boundaries now.

And even so, 99 percent of Trump voters are cowards. They sit behind their keyboards and type away about how they would stand up for this country and fight for it, but when push comes to shove, they'd all hide in their basements.

[samir.g]

29. It would end up in a massive purge of wingnuts

Anyone dumb enough to think their rifle makes them a match for tanks and bombers would end up dead.

The majority would meekly give up if push came to shove.

[Aristus]

30. I might have postulated that such a civil war would manifest as

right-wing crazies shooting up schools, churches, movie theaters, hospitals, clinics, etc.

But it turns out: that's already happening; you know, a lot.

[Binkie The Clown]

31. What if they started a civil war and nobody came?

I think the alt-right hard-core Trumistas, for all their sound and fury, are a pathetically small minority, and at their core, armchair "warriors " who would run screaming like little girls at the first taste of bloodshed.

[benld74]

33. IF GOP gets off their dead asses, instead of protecting him, then no

[Fluke a Snooker]

35. I'd say go for it

Those redneck racist yahoos don't mean anything anyway.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

36. Letter from future Confederate Pvt. Calvin Dobbs, 4-10-1861 (Two days before start of Civil War.)

(Read to the tune of “Ashokan Farewell,” Ken Burns' Civil War theme song.)

My Dearest Bekka,

War is near. The heritage, tradition and culture of our beloved South is threatened. Rest assured, my dear, our brave boys will not falter in our glorious defiance of the Godless North. The sanctity and honor of our forefathers will be upheld.
Do not fear for me... Though our enemy may outnumber us, we, the country folk, have been brought up in the fields and forests; we know how to shoot, and we will conquer these Northern city boys; bigly.
Farewell, my love. Pray to the One whose love and compassion conquers all. Pray for my safe return, that I may hold you in my arms once again.

Your most obedient and humble servant,
Calvin

(Calvin was shot by a butt-hurt, snowflake, libtard city boy at the Battle of Antietam.)

[Boomerproud]

44. The more things change the more they remain the same.

That letter could be written by a white supremacist today. It also proves my theory that the Civil War was rural vs. urban for the most part. "Godless North" written by a punk who thought enslavement of human beings was his right, culture and tradition. I have no pity for his fate.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

45. "...the Civil War was rural vs. urban for the most part."

Agreed.

[struggle4progress]

37. Dozens of couch potatoes wearing khaki cargo pants and clutching tiki torches will wage war on us

[LuckyCharms]

38. Maybe some civil unrest, but probably not war.

His crowds are getting smaller.

[H2O Man]

40. Recommended.

I do not believe they could make it into a civil war. But there is the potential that they will attempt to, and cause serious violence in sections of the country.

[peggysue2]

42. And Putin Smiles

Everyone of these articles, threats, calls for violence over Trump and his eventual dismissal from the world stage, plays right into Putin's playbook to destabilize and prove that democracies are weak, that the West is finished.

If the coming civil war is equal to the Mother of All Rallies, I think we'll make it through. We might come out with bruises, winking and blinking but we'll survive. Because there is no alternative. Trump is finished.

[Xolodno]

43. Nope.

All bark...and that's about it. These imbeciles actually believe that the US Military will intervene on their behalf and they can kick back and be cheer leaders. They can "open carry" all they want, but the minute bullets start flying their way, they will cry and shit themselves.