Bernie is Beating the Demonic Duo Punch by Punch! Edit: Added Video

[JoeOtterbein]

Last edited Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)

The reason is because Bernie is correct about Medicare for ALL.

We need to support it because it makes sense.

Otherwise, the GOP will paint us as mushy for "not having a plan.

Edit:

"http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/bernie-debate-health-care-video-graham-cassidy-full-replay-cnn-obamacare/

[Arazi]

1. +1000 Eom

[kstewart33]

2. I thought Graham-Cassidy was the debate's topic.

Very unfortunate.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

15. And he's making it look like a steaming turd

that they dropped on the senate floor. Or do you think Graham-Cassidy are winning this with their buffoonery?

[Not Ruth]

3. It's happening!

[Warpy]

4. He always does. He knows his stuff backwards and forwards

and no republican can ever really trip him up. All they have is bluster, bigotry, and a great deal of whining as they try to pretend this isn't all about getting donations from the Kochs and the Mercers and they don't give a flying fuck about the country and the people in it.

They will be doing a lot of heavy drinking tonight, if no alcohol, then Maalox.

[malaise]

5. Yep

Proof that knowledge is power

[JoeOtterbein]

6. Thanks you Malaise. From you that is truly a rec!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Bernie is a beast!!

[lovemydogs]

7. Bernie is rockin' it tonight!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Like he usually does... no surprise there.

[SHRED]

8. But...but...but...

What about what David Gergen said?

[haveahart]

10. It still holds. Wait for tomorrow. Bernie is good tonight but we are dealing with not only a

deplorable voter base but a dumb one.

[SHRED]

11. ??

I don't understand what you are saying.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

18. NO DEM WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND

You know that, right?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. Chances are zero any of them would.

[brooklynite]

47. I wager that NOBODY had their mind changed by this debate...

...because nobody who didn't already have a firm opinion bothered to watch.

[aikoaiko]

9. Amy and Bernie are doing great!!!

[womanofthehills]

13. Amy and Bernie are doing super great !!!!!!!!!

God, Graham is such an a**hole and a horrible speaker.

[JoeOtterbein]

14. Yep! But Amy should have had more time. The D-Duo stole much time.

[aikoaiko]

16. Cassidy made me want to slap his face through the tv.

Just vile and smarmy.

[LongTomH]

19. Graham keeps talking about 'the deficit,' while his party is ready to vote for a $700 billion....

..........defense bill and a big tax cut for billionaires like the Koch brothers.

[JoeOtterbein]

17. Yep!

[George II]

12. I thought the debate was about the ACA vs. the now dead trumpcare?

We had to sweat out 3 no votes to save the ACA, under today's conditions, realistically "MFA" is deader than trumpcare.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

20. Yup. Let's give up.

Let's never try. Most people support MFA in this country, but fuck that. We're done. Turn the lights out. Nobody gives a shit anymore.

So much for the "Underground" portion of Democratic Underground. Just roll over and take it.

[sheshe2]

27. I do not see where George said any of that.

[ehrnst]

62. Strawman.

[JoeOtterbein]

21. Now is not the time to waver. We need to make OUR demands clear now!

We have to sharpen our differences with the GOP. MFA is the perfect knife to make the point while also doing the smart/correct thing for ALL.

[George II]

22. We have the ACA now, MFA won't pass until we control both houses and the presidency.

[JoeOtterbein]

23. We will win control when we make it clear what we want. Healthcare for ALL.

Ring it out loud! Clear as a bell. Because it is the only morally correct position.

[dae]

30. I like the way you think Joe!

[JoeOtterbein]

31. I like that you like that you also think we should should think morally dae!

Thanks dae!

[pangaia]

42. Me too. Me too!!!

[lapucelle]

57. Healthcare for all? That's universal coverage.

That's been a core Democratic party value for decades. It's in our 2016 platform.

Securing Universal Health Care
Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. Thanks to the hard work of President Obama and Democrats in Congress, we took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act, which has covered 20 million more Americans and ensured millions more will never be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf

[Jakes Progress]

58. But, but. I thought the Dems were all corporate stooges.

They don't go for really cool slogans and stuff. Gee. Sure they get stuff done, but it ain't fun. You know?

[shanny]

37. We have to aspire and inspire

not just play defense. That's how we win both houses and the WH and state leges and governorships

[George II]

38. Huh?

[shanny]

39. Duh

[George II]

40. Wha?

[shanny]

41. obvious innit

[pangaia]

43. obvious to me, that's for sure..

[shanny]

44. same here, bucko

[pangaia]

46. bucko? did you call me BUCKO?

Why you whippersnapper, you.

[shanny]

48. oops.

thought I was responding to Somebody Else. blame old eyes and a really small screen.

[melman]

49. Of course

At least it should be.

[Lordquinton]

50. It's obvious to almost everyone

[KPN]

52. + 11111

[KPN]

51. Oh poo.

And hush.

[Voltaire2]

69. But I thought Sanders was going to sabotage the ACA and that this debate was going to be a disaster.

I'm starting to lose confidence in the prognostications here. They don't seem to pan out so well.

[Jakes Progress]

24. I like the idea of Medicare for over 55.

Medicare for all sounds really great, but it ain't happening. If all you want is to feel good about yourself, then MFA is the way to play it. If you want to do the work and help a couple of million people, we could use the rush of protests over ending Obamacare to push this forward. That would be a "plan". MFA is a slogan.

Before I get piled on, I would love universal health care. I think this country needs to join civilized society and get there. But with our gerrymandered districts and our donor class and our spineless republican majority in government, we aren't going to help anyone with slogans. I would push for 55 and accept 60. Give it to people like Barney Frank and All Franken and Elizabeth Warren to push through.

[SHRED]

25. I think this is way forward

Takes many costly older patients off the insurance pools.
Prices drop.

How it's financed is the tricky part.

[JoeOtterbein]

34. If you consider that we are now paying much more than the world market pays; gives us Leverage for a

GREAT deal. No, really! It can be done. WE can make Trump, the GOP et all, a deal they cannot refuse because we have the only plan that makes sense for ALL!

[Jakes Progress]

59. Golly. You remind me of

me. About forty years ago.

I didn't know how things worked, but I had a lot of enthusiasm.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

80. not a bad idea but...

How do you propose to bring in 55 or 60 year olds?

The main strength of the proposed MFA is bringing in younger premium payers who don't utilize much health care.

Younger payers don't ( statistically) use much healthcare while for-profit private insurance siphons off all the profit during the healthy years.

Nice racket they have. Thanks for 30 years of profit now go see Medicare when you get old and sick.

Bringing in slightly younger people could be expensive and not be offset by healthy young premium payers.

[Jakes Progress]

82. Well,

just like millennials are beginning to resent medicare for all the old dudes, the cost of insuring 55 and up would put more pressure to expand to everyone.

You don't explain how to pay for the younger people though. They may have lower costs, but not zero.

Another way to do this would be to leave the current old age limit at 65, but add under 18 as another medicare bracket. So you would have Medicare from birth to 18 and from 65 till death. Think of the benefit to parents in their peak earning years.

Hey. I'm all for universal healthcare (I am a Democrat after all), but for now MFA is just a slogan, something to shout and feel good about shouting. It is not about to happen. Some expansion of Medicare might.

[karynnj]

32. The option of allowing people over 55 to choose Medicare was floated in 2009

It was rejected because Joe Lieberman said he would not vote for a bill with that in it. It would have led to an easier more successful program -- but we needed all 60 votes.

[pangaia]

45. Somehow I don't think ER would have taken that tack. The, "it ain't happenin' one.

[Jakes Progress]

60. Studying history is a good thing.

Did we get universal health care in the forties? Did Jim Crow become illegal and the Civil Rights Act brought about? And didn't you like the way she rammed through laws protecting LBGT citizens? How about marriage equality?

Or don't you think she wanted all those things?

She did what could be done when it could be done. She was smart. Slogans and feel-good posters weren't good enough for her. She did the hard work and paved the way for all the progressive changes that came after - changes that she wanted then but know weren't happening at that time. Like I said; she was smart.

[CrispyQ]

65. I know several 55+ year olds, who are working just for health coverage. -nt

[Jakes Progress]

68. Yep.

Medicare over 55 would be a boon that would grow like the original Medicare and Social Security. It could help this country catch up to the rest of the civilized world.

[Voltaire2]

70. The funding for that would be a bit of a nightmare.

Unless it is a fairly rapid phase in - say five years to full coverage, this just bails out the insurance companies and saddles the tax payers with the most expensive segment of the population. It is the equivalent of letting charter schools take all the good students. The payroll tax would go up for everyone working in order to cover the new medicare population, but most of those paying would get nothing in return.

[Jakes Progress]

72. Are you saying

that Medicare for all would be less expensive?

[Voltaire2]

74. In total? absolutely.

Our national expenditures on health care would go down significantly. Individual costs for average earners would go way down.

[Jakes Progress]

81. Got numbers?

[mvd]

26. Sure, Trump wont sign it so we do have to protect the ACA

But Medicare For All is the best way and it is gaining momentum. Democrats should support the idea for when we gain back the Presidency. It also has a solid base of support among the public despite the lies.

[UCmeNdc]

28. Is there a link to the debate?

I missed it.

[JoeOtterbein]

29. Video added on edit above. Thanks for the reminder!

[UCmeNdc]

36. Thanks!

[George II]

33. Sorry, Amy carried the day.

[Nevernose]

35. She was the perfect complement & vice versa

She hammered in defense of ACA and added to the aspirational MFA; Bernie hammered home the aspirational while defending the ACA.

Perfect, as far as I'm concerned. We want to keep what we've got, but to win elections we've got to push for more. This particular duo, I thought, did a masterful job balancing those needs. I'd like to see more stuff like this from them.

[obamanut2012]

56. Yes, I am getting a bit annoyed that the woman is again being ignored

Especially the woman who is on fire and is the actual Democrat.

[MrsCoffee]

61. Yes she did.

She steered the debate and passionately defended ACA while Bernie's gamble threatens to backfire.

[Voltaire2]

71. and the other person on our team, what's his name, how did he do?

[George II]

73. Look at the subject line, do you have a similar comment about that?

[Voltaire2]

75. I'm just curious how you think what's his name did.

You know, that person who was the other half of our team?

[George II]

77. First, how do you think "what's her name did. you know the person that was the other half....

...of our team?"

Incidentally, why have you decided to follow me around and respond to day-old posts of mine?

[Voltaire2]

78. She did great!

Now how about He Who Must Not Be Named?

[disillusioned73]

63. My favorite part..

both GOP goobers said that Bernie was "the most honest man in the Senate".. and they kinda implied like that was a bad thing.. lol

Bernie took these guys to school last night.. if u didn't watch it live, u really should - just to see Grahams face every time Bernie destoyed their horrible plan w/ facts..

[JoeOtterbein]

66. And they said it like they did not know it made Bernie more honest than them! LOL!

[disillusioned73]

67. Nuance is definetely not their strong suit..

[Autumn]

64. K&R

[Demsrule86]

76. Nonsense...we need to save the ACA and strengthen it. Single Payer can't pass for years.

Get the ACA up and running better, add a public option...now do one of two things...strong price controls on insurance and medical costs and we end up with a system much like Germany. I think this is what will happen...or lower the age of medicare gradually starting with 55 years olds...and we end up with Medicare for all in the end. A stand alone bill will not pass until those who have insurance at work are not the majority...years away.

[tecelote]

79. If you want $50, then ask for $75.

If you want Medicare for 55 year olds, fight for single payer and be willing to compromise.

A great start.

[Demsrule86]

83. Wrong... You ask for pieces...demanding the entire thing will get you exactly nothing.

You point out that a PO would help in those areas that don't have good coverage...if that works ...you point out that older folks taken out of the markets would strengthen the markets...the GOP will use single payer against us in the coming elections...let's be smart about this.