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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders: Time is ripe for Medicare for all
plusBernie Sanders: Time is ripe for Medicare for all
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/25/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-editorials-debates/105971268/
In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed Medicare legislation that guarantees comprehensive health care to all Americans over 65 through a single-payer, federally funded health care system. This is an effective, popular program.
My Medicare for All Act of 2017, with 16 co-sponsors, improves and expands Medicare and, over a four-year transition period, provides health care to every man, woman and child in our country.
In doing that, the U.S. will finally join the ranks of every other major country on Earth in recognizing that health care is a right, not a privilege.
We now have the most wasteful, inefficient and bureaucratic health care system in the world. In fact, we are spending almost twice as much per capita as any other country, while our health care outcomes are often worse. Instead of providing quality care to all in a cost-effective way, our current system is designed to provide hundreds of billions in profits to insurance companies, the pharmaceutical industry and medical equipment suppliers.
Autumn
(45,057 posts)The talk about this is not going to stop. And when it's being talked about it can and will happen
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Just a few years ago, we were told that raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour was crazy, radical, unthinkable, unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky. But a grassroots movement of millions of workers throughout this country refused to take no for an answer. And now that "radical" idea is becoming the norm across the countryin cities and states and towns and major companies like Target, who this week announced they will have a $15 minimum wage by 2020. All workers in this country deserve a living wage and we will not stop working until that is the case. I commend Target for taking this important step toward a livable wage and I hope that other companies will soon follow suit.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/25/target-to-raise-its-hourly-minimum-wage.html
Rene
(1,183 posts)Autumn
(45,057 posts)reality is that the ACA added 4 million jobs, 400,000 jobs almost immediately. The Insurance companies will be fine and the American people will do even better.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)The Insurance Industry has been a means to euthanize, torture, and deny adequate medical care to people for the sake of PROFIT. Just like the Pharmaceutical Industry and the Medical Industry has done for PROFITS too.
Until you or those in all Industries profiting from health care will personally take all of my experienced medical problems and present medical conditions with their imposed rules and allow me to be 100% healthy and free of their extortion on my life, then do not dare to ask me to feel sorry for a predator.
LiberalFighter
(50,895 posts)I want a form of universal health care. That is a step up from Medicaid.
Remember, Medicare only pays 80%.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's just avoiding the question.
Do you know the answer to the question? If so, why not answer my question?
If you don't, you could just say, "I don't know," and that would be more up front.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)I'm getting the impression you think this OP is an invitation for you to demand I educate you on the proposed coverage amounts. You are mistaken.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Medicare is.
Do you know if it covers what Medicare covers?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)But you have to ask nice.
Jumping in to a thread with starting with "So" and "or what" doesn't cut it with me.
Anyway, I feel people appreciate facts when they do their own research. When I used to ask my parents how to spell a word, or something about geography, they would tell me to look it up. You will appreciate me in the long run.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"google it yourself."
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)Otherwise the entire post becomes suspect.
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)Also, explain if you are able how you will wrest work coverage away from 80% of Americans who have it and have already shown with Hillarycare that they won't give it up? They would take their revenge by tossing us out of office in droves (think 1994) and any MFA bill would surely fail.
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)we turn to fixing the ACA and preparing to add a public option when we can.
Cordy
(82 posts)I think America deserves National Care single payer, and no deductible.
I would like to suggest a different approach to paying for it, by reorganizing government and gov thinking.
This is short of it. Eliminate waste. Cut the military 90%, end corporate and foreign aid, and let the UN do the job we spend millions annually on.
Take back ALL OF OUR FEDERAL RESOURCES and sell them ourselves to pay our bills. NOTE: Federal resources are not private resources. I would not touch resources belonging to private citizens. We would only use OUR FEDERAL RESOURCES. I repeat this, because some people get confused. OUR federal resources. Resources like oil, minerals, timber, etc. currently sold by Corporations. The entire federal resources would be run by the Army Engineers for the benefit of us.
I think it is time we take care of Americans first, in every way. Get our homeless off the streets, our citizens into jobs and off social services, create more businesses owners to insure all who want to work can have a job. Have our National Health Care, repair our infrastructure, etc.
Make the stock market scam illegal. Enough. It is past time ending this, that feeds the non-productive at the expense of workers wages/benefits, and sends billions offshore where those profits are not used for legitimate loans at US banks for the benefit of Americans. This would lower loan rates for home loans, students loans, car loans, business loans. All Corporate loans should be run through a US bank where it can be scrutinized by professionals. Double taxation on offshored funds used by foreigner loans, and watch that cash start filling our US banks. Start paying American workers decent wages & benefits & stop feeding the nonproductive and foreigners with American made profits.
These are just some of things we could do to ensure Americans in our society come first. Like Bernie says, I am sick of it. I have sent some of these ideas to Bernie, no response as yet. I think Bernie is on the right path, he just isn't being shoved far enough to get the job done.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)In what way?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But deductibles are.
And humanitarian aid is the best return on the dollar in preventing the circumstances for terrorism to flourish.
I mean all of those are wonderful ideas - I'd love to see hydrogen fuel cel technology on every car, residence and business, but I understand the obstacles, so I'll support incremental steps towards those, rather than demand all or nothing.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)than we've ever been.
I makes sense to keep going down that road, and not abandon the Honda Civic because we think we might get picked up by a Mercedes.
Its apparent what needs to be done to stabilize the marketplaces and who owns the ACA going forward. Its no longer Obamacare; its now just the nations health insurance system.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-not-obamacare-anymore-its-our-national-health-care-system/2017/07/28/1a6583fe-73d3-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.214ea3527a4c
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:28 AM - Edit history (1)
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)actually do things? How about plans that could work.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)We're unlikely to pass anythng that sweeping in the next year or two, or if we do we WILL NOT like the level of care that the GOP will agree to pay for. However, we need to start patching the ACA against the holes the GOP has been and will be poking in it. If we can get more people onto Medicare, that's a start.
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)are other ways? We have lost two majorities attempting big omnibus health care bill why? Hillarycare where we failed and Obamacare where we succeeded...do it the public option way or lower the age of medicare gradually.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Both parties are at least giving lip service to the need to shore up ObamaCare.
The current Medicare-For-All is a sweeping bill, and is the likely starting point for whatever reforms we next manage to pass. It seems likely to me too that if it gets anywhere, it will be with a public option and only add more people to the Medicare rolls rather than everybody.
And a lot of Republican amendments to make sure it at least partly sucks.
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)with Congress in GOP hands, and then lower the age of medicare first to 55. Much of this could be done in reconciliation which would negate the need for a super majority which we have had briefly twice in 30+ years.
Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)Demsrule86
(68,554 posts)We will get there eventually...universal coverage...may be like Germany's or it may be MFA...really doesn't matter as long as affordable coverage is provided.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)betsuni
(25,472 posts)You've noticed, too, eh?
betsuni
(25,472 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,731 posts)He became a Democrat one month after Reagan was inaugurated, despite having voted for him. He never voted for a Republican again.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But it reflects very badly on Sanders to invoke LBJ in an effort to displace an Obama initiative with one that, if in some alternate universe actually came to legislative fruition, wouldn't look that different.
Here's what I'm talking about: I once looked into Medicare for a relative on SSI and was surprised to find that he would have to pay substantial monthly premiums with all the usual headaches, including enrollment restrictions, co-pays, doctor lists, and the rest. Maybe Sanders has something else in mind altogether but he specifically mentions LBJ's 1965 legislation which the ACA leaves in the dust. Why?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Maybe that's not such a good comparison for Sanders to make....
"A health program yesterday runs $300 million, but the fools had to go to projecting it down the road five or six years, and when you project it the first year, it runs $900 million. Now I don't know whether I would approve $900 million second year or not. I might approve 450 or 500. But the first thing Dick Russell comes running in saying, 'My God, you've got a billion-dollar program for next year on health, therefore I'm against any of it now.' Do you follow me?"
We believe, after looking at the evidence, my co-author [David Blumenthal] and I, that if the true cost of Medicare had been known if Johnson hadn't basically hidden them the program would never have passed. America's second-most beloved program would never have happened, if we had had genuine cost estimates.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112234240
You can't do that now because we have the CBO, whose job it is to crunch the numbers.
And LBJ worked WITH people - across the aisle. He didn't pontificate that his was the only ethical and moral route, and anyone who disagreed was corrupt.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/24/johnson.lbj.health.care/index.html
He would have a willingness to horse-trade with every member.
He would keep a list of people who support each member financially. A call to each to tell them to get the vote of that representative.
He would have Billy Graham calling Baptists, Cardinal Cushing calling Catholics, Dr. Martin Luther King calling blacks, Henry Gonzales calling Hispanics, Henry Ford and David Rockefeller calling Republicans.
He would get Jack Valenti to call the Pope if it would help.
He would have speeches written for members for the Congressional Record and hometown newspapers.
He would use up White House liquor having nightcaps with the leaders and key members of BOTH parties.
Each of them would take home cufflinks, watches, signed photos, and perhaps even a pledge to come raise money for their next election.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/24/johnson.lbj.health.care/index.html