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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:19 PM Sep 2017

Bernie Sanders: Time is ripe for Medicare for all

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Bernie Sanders: Time is ripe for Medicare for all

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/25/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-editorials-debates/105971268/

In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed Medicare legislation that guarantees comprehensive health care to all Americans over 65 through a single-payer, federally funded health care system. This is an effective, popular program.

My Medicare for All Act of 2017, with 16 co-sponsors, improves and expands Medicare and, over a four-year transition period, provides health care to every man, woman and child in our country.

In doing that, the U.S. will finally join the ranks of every other major country on Earth in recognizing that health care is a right, not a privilege.

We now have the most wasteful, inefficient and bureaucratic health care system in the world. In fact, we are spending almost twice as much per capita as any other country, while our health care outcomes are often worse. Instead of providing quality care to all in a cost-effective way, our current system is designed to provide hundreds of billions in profits to insurance companies, the pharmaceutical industry and medical equipment suppliers.
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Bernie Sanders: Time is ripe for Medicare for all (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 OP
I think that this time we will get there. The GOP has so overplayed all their bullshit Autumn Sep 2017 #1
what does he think will happen when he puts all insurance companies out of business? Rene Sep 2017 #5
There will still be some insurance companies. Even if there aren't any I don't see a down side, the Autumn Sep 2017 #7
EXCELLENT!!! WyattKansas Sep 2017 #8
Personally, I don't want Medicare for All. LiberalFighter Sep 2017 #2
Remember: read what he is proposing Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #3
So is it "Medicare for All," or not? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #10
See post number 3 Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #12
Doesn't tell me if it's Medicare or not. ehrnst Sep 2017 #13
It's called Medicare For All Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #15
I know what it's called. I'm asking you if the plan is indeed what ehrnst Sep 2017 #16
Look it up. Unless your google is broken, then I will help. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #17
Ah, the desperate trope of someone who doesn't know, and doesn't want to admit it ehrnst Sep 2017 #18
If you have a post and someone asks you for a link...you should happily provide it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28
In fact my sis-in-laws is on Medicare. There is a 20% gap and deductibles as well. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30
There is no proposed coverage...Sen. Sander has already said the bill won't pass and it won't ...now Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32
I agree, 100% National Health Care for all Cordy Sep 2017 #4
You think Bernie needs shoving? ehrnst Sep 2017 #11
I don't think that cutting the Military 90% and ending foreign aid is in Bernie's bill. ehrnst Sep 2017 #14
The ACA is our national health care system. It is farther down the road to universal health care ehrnst Sep 2017 #19
Exactly right as you always are! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26
Perfect analogy. Thank you. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #33
blushing....(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #36
This is what makes me crazy...none of what you wrote is possible...Can we not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27
A truer statement has never been spoke. Joe941 Sep 2017 #6
. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #9
It is certainly ripening. Orsino Sep 2017 #20
We need a super majority so there is no 'sweeping' bill. Why would we want to do that when there Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22
Now America has had every chance to repeal the big omnibus law that is ACA, and has rejected that. Orsino Sep 2017 #24
That is what I think too...we add a public option which could happen even now...unlikely though Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #25
single payer is the excuse that will be used to kill the ACA if we are foolish enough to fall for it Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #40
We are not going to get their until we regain power. Sen. Sanders has said as much. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21
Somethings ripe. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #23
### NurseJackie Sep 2017 #29
You forgot to mention "Reagan Democrats." betsuni Sep 2017 #31
### NurseJackie Sep 2017 #34
Yes! Have no idea what it means. betsuni Sep 2017 #37
I like to think that my father was a "Reagan Democrat". greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #39
If Medicare and ACA were appreciably different this wouldn't look as bad as it does. ucrdem Sep 2017 #35
LBJ had to lie about what Medicaid and Medicare would actually cost in order to get it passed. ehrnst Sep 2017 #38

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
1. I think that this time we will get there. The GOP has so overplayed all their bullshit
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:22 PM
Sep 2017

The talk about this is not going to stop. And when it's being talked about it can and will happen

U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
3 hrs ·
Just a few years ago, we were told that raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour was “crazy,” “radical,” “unthinkable,” “unrealistic,” “pie-in-the-sky.” But a grassroots movement of millions of workers throughout this country refused to take “no” for an answer. And now that "radical" idea is becoming the norm across the country—in cities and states and towns and major companies like Target, who this week announced they will have a $15 minimum wage by 2020. All workers in this country deserve a living wage and we will not stop working until that is the case. I commend Target for taking this important step toward a livable wage and I hope that other companies will soon follow suit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/25/target-to-raise-its-hourly-minimum-wage.html

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
7. There will still be some insurance companies. Even if there aren't any I don't see a down side, the
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:11 PM
Sep 2017

reality is that the ACA added 4 million jobs, 400,000 jobs almost immediately. The Insurance companies will be fine and the American people will do even better.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
8. EXCELLENT!!!
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:12 PM
Sep 2017

The Insurance Industry has been a means to euthanize, torture, and deny adequate medical care to people for the sake of PROFIT. Just like the Pharmaceutical Industry and the Medical Industry has done for PROFITS too.

Until you or those in all Industries profiting from health care will personally take all of my experienced medical problems and present medical conditions with their imposed rules and allow me to be 100% healthy and free of their extortion on my life, then do not dare to ask me to feel sorry for a predator.

LiberalFighter

(50,895 posts)
2. Personally, I don't want Medicare for All.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:30 PM
Sep 2017

I want a form of universal health care. That is a step up from Medicaid.

Remember, Medicare only pays 80%.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
13. Doesn't tell me if it's Medicare or not.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:39 PM
Sep 2017

It's just avoiding the question.

Do you know the answer to the question? If so, why not answer my question?

If you don't, you could just say, "I don't know," and that would be more up front.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
15. It's called Medicare For All
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:58 PM
Sep 2017

I'm getting the impression you think this OP is an invitation for you to demand I educate you on the proposed coverage amounts. You are mistaken.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
16. I know what it's called. I'm asking you if the plan is indeed what
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:54 PM
Sep 2017

Medicare is.

Do you know if it covers what Medicare covers?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
17. Look it up. Unless your google is broken, then I will help.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:38 PM
Sep 2017

But you have to ask nice.

Jumping in to a thread with starting with "So" and "or what" doesn't cut it with me.

Anyway, I feel people appreciate facts when they do their own research. When I used to ask my parents how to spell a word, or something about geography, they would tell me to look it up. You will appreciate me in the long run.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. Ah, the desperate trope of someone who doesn't know, and doesn't want to admit it
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:15 AM
Sep 2017

"google it yourself."

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
28. If you have a post and someone asks you for a link...you should happily provide it.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:26 AM
Sep 2017

Otherwise the entire post becomes suspect.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
30. In fact my sis-in-laws is on Medicare. There is a 20% gap and deductibles as well.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:29 AM
Sep 2017

Also, explain if you are able how you will wrest work coverage away from 80% of Americans who have it and have already shown with Hillarycare that they won't give it up? They would take their revenge by tossing us out of office in droves (think 1994) and any MFA bill would surely fail.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
32. There is no proposed coverage...Sen. Sander has already said the bill won't pass and it won't ...now
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:31 AM
Sep 2017

we turn to fixing the ACA and preparing to add a public option when we can.

Cordy

(82 posts)
4. I agree, 100% National Health Care for all
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:09 PM
Sep 2017

I think America deserves National Care single payer, and no deductible.

I would like to suggest a different approach to paying for it, by reorganizing government and gov thinking.

This is short of it. Eliminate waste. Cut the military 90%, end corporate and foreign aid, and let the UN do the job we spend millions annually on.

Take back ALL OF OUR FEDERAL RESOURCES and sell them ourselves to pay our bills. NOTE: Federal resources are not private resources. I would not touch resources belonging to private citizens. We would only use OUR FEDERAL RESOURCES. I repeat this, because some people get confused. OUR federal resources. Resources like oil, minerals, timber, etc. currently sold by Corporations. The entire federal resources would be run by the Army Engineers for the benefit of us.

I think it is time we take care of Americans first, in every way. Get our homeless off the streets, our citizens into jobs and off social services, create more businesses owners to insure all who want to work can have a job. Have our National Health Care, repair our infrastructure, etc.

Make the stock market scam illegal. Enough. It is past time ending this, that feeds the non-productive at the expense of workers wages/benefits, and sends billions offshore where those profits are not used for legitimate loans at US banks for the benefit of Americans. This would lower loan rates for home loans, students loans, car loans, business loans. All Corporate loans should be run through a US bank where it can be scrutinized by professionals. Double taxation on offshored funds used by foreigner loans, and watch that cash start filling our US banks. Start paying American workers decent wages & benefits & stop feeding the nonproductive and foreigners with American made profits.

These are just some of things we could do to ensure Americans in our society come first. Like Bernie says, I am sick of it. I have sent some of these ideas to Bernie, no response as yet. I think Bernie is on the right path, he just isn't being shoved far enough to get the job done.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. I don't think that cutting the Military 90% and ending foreign aid is in Bernie's bill.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:43 PM
Sep 2017

But deductibles are.

And humanitarian aid is the best return on the dollar in preventing the circumstances for terrorism to flourish.

I mean all of those are wonderful ideas - I'd love to see hydrogen fuel cel technology on every car, residence and business, but I understand the obstacles, so I'll support incremental steps towards those, rather than demand all or nothing.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. The ACA is our national health care system. It is farther down the road to universal health care
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:19 AM
Sep 2017

than we've ever been.

I makes sense to keep going down that road, and not abandon the Honda Civic because we think we might get picked up by a Mercedes.

But one thing is clear: 59 percent of the public says President Trump and the Republicans are now in control of government and are responsible for making the ACA work, and 74 percent says they should “do what they can to make the law work.”

It’s apparent what needs to be done to stabilize the marketplaces and who owns the ACA going forward. It’s no longer Obamacare; it’s now just the nation’s health insurance system.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-not-obamacare-anymore-its-our-national-health-care-system/2017/07/28/1a6583fe-73d3-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.214ea3527a4c

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
27. This is what makes me crazy...none of what you wrote is possible...Can we not
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:25 AM
Sep 2017

actually do things? How about plans that could work.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
20. It is certainly ripening.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:23 AM
Sep 2017

We're unlikely to pass anythng that sweeping in the next year or two, or if we do we WILL NOT like the level of care that the GOP will agree to pay for. However, we need to start patching the ACA against the holes the GOP has been and will be poking in it. If we can get more people onto Medicare, that's a start.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
22. We need a super majority so there is no 'sweeping' bill. Why would we want to do that when there
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:31 AM
Sep 2017

are other ways? We have lost two majorities attempting big omnibus health care bill why? Hillarycare where we failed and Obamacare where we succeeded...do it the public option way or lower the age of medicare gradually.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
24. Now America has had every chance to repeal the big omnibus law that is ACA, and has rejected that.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:40 AM
Sep 2017

Both parties are at least giving lip service to the need to shore up ObamaCare.

The current Medicare-For-All is a sweeping bill, and is the likely starting point for whatever reforms we next manage to pass. It seems likely to me too that if it gets anywhere, it will be with a public option and only add more people to the Medicare rolls rather than everybody.

And a lot of Republican amendments to make sure it at least partly sucks.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
25. That is what I think too...we add a public option which could happen even now...unlikely though
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:22 AM
Sep 2017

with Congress in GOP hands, and then lower the age of medicare first to 55. Much of this could be done in reconciliation which would negate the need for a super majority which we have had briefly twice in 30+ years.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
40. single payer is the excuse that will be used to kill the ACA if we are foolish enough to fall for it
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 02:25 PM
Oct 2017

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
21. We are not going to get their until we regain power. Sen. Sanders has said as much.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:27 AM
Sep 2017

We will get there eventually...universal coverage...may be like Germany's or it may be MFA...really doesn't matter as long as affordable coverage is provided.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,731 posts)
39. I like to think that my father was a "Reagan Democrat".
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:32 AM
Sep 2017

He became a Democrat one month after Reagan was inaugurated, despite having voted for him. He never voted for a Republican again.


ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
35. If Medicare and ACA were appreciably different this wouldn't look as bad as it does.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:48 AM
Sep 2017

But it reflects very badly on Sanders to invoke LBJ in an effort to displace an Obama initiative with one that, if in some alternate universe actually came to legislative fruition, wouldn't look that different.

Here's what I'm talking about: I once looked into Medicare for a relative on SSI and was surprised to find that he would have to pay substantial monthly premiums with all the usual headaches, including enrollment restrictions, co-pays, doctor lists, and the rest. Maybe Sanders has something else in mind altogether but he specifically mentions LBJ's 1965 legislation which the ACA leaves in the dust. Why?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. LBJ had to lie about what Medicaid and Medicare would actually cost in order to get it passed.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:39 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe that's not such a good comparison for Sanders to make....

Johnson maneuvered every step of the way getting this bill through Congress, and one of the things he did — and this is a little dicey in today's climate — was suppress the costs. So this young kid gets elected from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy, in 1962, and Johnson is explaining to him [over the phone] how you get a health bill through. And what he tells him is don't let them get the costs projected too far out because it will scare other people:

"A health program yesterday runs $300 million, but the fools had to go to projecting it down the road five or six years, and when you project it the first year, it runs $900 million. Now I don't know whether I would approve $900 million second year or not. I might approve 450 or 500. But the first thing Dick Russell comes running in saying, 'My God, you've got a billion-dollar program for next year on health, therefore I'm against any of it now.' Do you follow me?"
We believe, after looking at the evidence, my co-author [David Blumenthal] and I, that if the true cost of Medicare had been known — if Johnson hadn't basically hidden them — the program would never have passed. America's second-most beloved program would never have happened, if we had had genuine cost estimates.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112234240

You can't do that now because we have the CBO, whose job it is to crunch the numbers.

And LBJ worked WITH people - across the aisle. He didn't pontificate that his was the only ethical and moral route, and anyone who disagreed was corrupt.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/24/johnson.lbj.health.care/index.html

Editor's note: President Lyndon B. Johnson secured passage of Medicare, the Voting Rights Act and other milestone legislation. Tom Johnson, who served as one of LBJ's White House press secretaries, is former chief executive of CNN News Group and former publisher of the Los Angeles Times. He is an associate member of the board of visitors of the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center.

He would have a willingness to horse-trade with every member.

He would keep a list of people who support each member financially. A call to each to tell them to get the vote of that representative.

He would have Billy Graham calling Baptists, Cardinal Cushing calling Catholics, Dr. Martin Luther King calling blacks, Henry Gonzales calling Hispanics, Henry Ford and David Rockefeller calling Republicans.

He would get Jack Valenti to call the Pope if it would help.

He would have speeches written for members for the Congressional Record and hometown newspapers.

He would use up White House liquor having nightcaps with the leaders and key members of BOTH parties.

Each of them would take home cufflinks, watches, signed photos, and perhaps even a pledge to come raise money for their next election.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/24/johnson.lbj.health.care/index.html

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