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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:25 PM Sep 2017

So...can we talk about things that wont happen now?

Just last week I was assured that the senator certain people love to hate...forever...no matter what he does...was going to single-handedly bring down the ACA because he brought expanded Medicare forward into the national discussion. I was told that we shouldn’t talk about things that won’t happen. Unicorns! Rainbows! Ponies! Shouldn’t be aspirational lest we bolster Republican efforts!

Now, that seems to have not happened. Can we start painting a bigger picture to try to encourage voters to vote D now? Maybe setting big goals and speaking them loudly so people can have something to be excited about? 2018 is coming. Let’s be bold about it.

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So...can we talk about things that wont happen now? (Original Post) TCJ70 Sep 2017 OP
Boldness? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #1
It's sad when it's 'bold' to talk about Medicare For All leftstreet Sep 2017 #2
Moving to a completely government-paid health insurance system... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #3
Is the purpose of this post to foster discussion, or to deride those who don't support Squinch Sep 2017 #4
It absolutely is to promote discussion. TCJ70 Sep 2017 #5
He's trying to make us a 'First World Country!' !!!! ...... alittlelark Sep 2017 #6

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Boldness?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:26 PM
Sep 2017

Attempt to move the debate from center right options to a bold alternative?

Do what most other advanced countries have already done, to excellent results?

Recommended.

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
2. It's sad when it's 'bold' to talk about Medicare For All
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:29 PM
Sep 2017

It should be 'bold' to talk about a guaranteed basic income

DURec

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
3. Moving to a completely government-paid health insurance system...
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:33 PM
Sep 2017

...is a pretty big deal. On par with UBI. If automation takes off quickly then UBI may happen before any form of universal healthcare system. It wouldn’t be far behind, though.

Squinch

(50,935 posts)
4. Is the purpose of this post to foster discussion, or to deride those who don't support
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:00 PM
Sep 2017

your candidate?

Because you know that the snark and bullshit in the post aren't going to foster discussion, right?

Nevermind. I seem to have answered my own question.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
5. It absolutely is to promote discussion.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:15 PM
Sep 2017

As far as I can tell, the people trying to stifle discussion have been on the other side of the equation. Not that there should even be an equation anymore. I won’t deny the slight amount of sarcasm in my OP.

You can’t deny that a theme of the past two years or so has been big goals vs achievable, but smaller, gains. Maybe it’s time we focused on big goals?

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
6. He's trying to make us a 'First World Country!' !!!! ......
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:16 PM
Sep 2017

....WTF???

The Kochs will never allow that.

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