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Archae

(46,327 posts)
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:54 PM Sep 2017

With all the stuff about the National Anthem lately...

I've been finding out a lot of stuff I didn't know.

I did know that the tune was swiped from the British, an old British drinking song "To Anacreon In Heaven" was adapted.

But I had no idea what a scuzzball Francis Scott Key was.
He prosecuted two abolitionists, (failing both times,) and was a slave owner himself.

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With all the stuff about the National Anthem lately... (Original Post) Archae Sep 2017 OP
Ironically, Key was staunchly GallopingGhost Sep 2017 #1
I don't know how Republicans could have pushed for war MichMary Sep 2017 #2
I really need to get GallopingGhost Sep 2017 #5
Trump wouldn't have liked him. He prefers people who didn't get captured. FSogol Sep 2017 #3
. GallopingGhost Sep 2017 #6
Slightly incorrect. Aristus Sep 2017 #7
My take: the trouble with our past FSogol Sep 2017 #4

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
1. Ironically, Key was staunchly
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:33 AM
Sep 2017

against the War of 1812, along with a majority of Americans. Republicans at the time pushed for war. (surprise, surprise)

He was an enigma on the topic of slavery. He was against it, in principle, for religious reasons, but apparently had no problem being a slave owner.

He was a close personal friend of Andrew Jackson, Twitler's hero. Maybe that's why SCROTUS is so hung up on the anthem.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
2. I don't know how Republicans could have pushed for war
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:40 AM
Sep 2017

in 1812 when the party wasn't founded until 1854.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
3. Trump wouldn't have liked him. He prefers people who didn't get captured.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:01 AM
Sep 2017

Key was captured by the British and was on a British ship when he penned his poem.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
7. Slightly incorrect.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:03 AM
Sep 2017

Key was acting as an emissary to the British in order to get an American released from British custody. Technically, he was captured, but he volunteered to be in order to advocate for the prisoner's release.

That's all the good I'm going to say about Key.

The fourth verse of "TS-SB" is a ghoulish revenge fantasy dreamed up in the hopes of punishing all of the runaway American slaves who joined the British in return for manumission. It's pretty sick.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
4. My take: the trouble with our past
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:23 AM
Sep 2017

The founding fathers (and other historical figures like Francis Scott Key) weren't deities or demigods, they were just people. The had flaws, went along with conventions of the time when convenient, and had serious gaps in their ethics.

They did manage to lay down a framework for a decent government where power is shared with a system of checks and balances. Is it perfect? Does it require a lot of work? Is it in danger these days? Can we do better? Yes to all of these.

I would encourage everyone who can to visit Fort McHenry in Baltimore. That was the fort that was shelled by the British during the attack. Key was a prisoner on the British ship and observed the bombardment. The fort couldn't fight back since their guns had a 1 mile range. The British cannons fired 1-1/2 miles and couldn't be touched. In the morning, the American fort still stood and the British turned tail. The NPS interpreters tell the story well and the actual flag is on display in the Smithsonian in DC.

It became the anthem because it was about perseverance against overwhelming odds. "Rockets red glare and bombs burst in midair" is a memorable phrase. Key didn't like the fact that some freed slaves sided with the British. That's understandable (what's your opinion on the Confederacy?), but it is easy to sympathize with the slaves.

My point in all this is that the history is not clean or simple. Key is remembered for penning a poem based on an event he witnessed. He isn't remembered for his views on slavery. Rather than call Key out 200 years after his death, we should address the serious problems we have today. The national anthem isn't one of those problems.

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