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uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:55 AM Sep 2017

FEMA Director: "... we can't get enough truck drivers in ... " bullshit !!!

Last edited Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Anyone just see him spout this bullshit on MSNBC !?!?

There were people in freakin boats from LA in Texas who waited in line to get people out of flooded houses and they can't get a bunch of soldiers to PR who can drive fuckin trucks?!?!

We can't get a volunteer force to PR that can drive trucks !?!


Now he's talking about slots in the port to deliver humans!?!?... naw man, There's an operational air field !!!


Someone's bullshitin here ... There are no lack of supplies there are lack of logistics for distribution


Just like with Katrina when the area was devastated THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT OR INFRASTRUCTURE, some one needed to take over and Red Dons crew is starting to look like Brownies Heckava Job Squad standing there waiting on the non existent government to tell them what to do.

Note : Yeap, looking more and more like Katrina daily

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/27/1702278/-SOS-Puerto-Rico-Federal-Government-Completely-Disorganized-Supplies-Rot-In-Port?detail=emaildkre

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FEMA Director: "... we can't get enough truck drivers in ... " bullshit !!! (Original Post) uponit7771 Sep 2017 OP
Exactly SHRED Sep 2017 #1
There are 3 million people living in Puerto Rico FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #2
Exactly what I was thinking too Sanity Claws Sep 2017 #3
CDL is an entry level job that sometimes pays $100k Not Ruth Sep 2017 #6
You're funny, no entry level cdl driver Ever makes a 100k a year. sarcasmo Sep 2017 #15
When you include overtime, truck drivers in the province are earning up to $170,000 Not Ruth Sep 2017 #16
Then they make 3 times more than truck drivers in the states. sarcasmo Sep 2017 #61
I had a CDL until recently... DAMANgoldberg Sep 2017 #95
Exactly. Now owning your own truck it's tough to make 75 grand a year cause regulations. sarcasmo Sep 2017 #96
In this time and place tazkcmo Sep 2017 #58
RIGHT !!! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #7
That's not the issue. They don't have gas to put in their cars to drive to the ports, pnwmom Sep 2017 #39
I have friends down there to respond Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #77
Offer them food, water and a safe place to stay for them and their families csziggy Sep 2017 #84
Just fast track CDL training for locals Not Ruth Sep 2017 #4
There isn't time. There isn't even gas to put in their cars to get them to the ports. The military pnwmom Sep 2017 #40
What About 'Copter Drops? Me. Sep 2017 #5
Even better !! Its not like the US doesn't have a couple of million of those. uponit7771 Sep 2017 #8
Seems wasteful unless you coordinate first Not Ruth Sep 2017 #11
What's Stopping Them From Coordinating? Me. Sep 2017 #13
Nothing Not Ruth Sep 2017 #14
No cell service for one. nt hack89 Sep 2017 #20
The UN should send telecom people to set up cell service Not Ruth Sep 2017 #29
satellite phone mahannah Sep 2017 #33
in the first drops... trust me, if people hear or see the copters lapfog_1 Sep 2017 #48
Powdered milk and dgibby Sep 2017 #27
Most cities in PR -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #74
If FEMA hadn't commandeered malaise Sep 2017 #9
Yes, it seems like FEMA is taking half ass'd steps ...there's no reason why there isn't distribution uponit7771 Sep 2017 #10
I heard reports yesterday of FEMA reps in air-conditioned offices mulling around HipChick Sep 2017 #32
Look after the Dems held that news conference this morning both the WH and malaise Sep 2017 #72
When I was in the Navy, dgibby Sep 2017 #47
It's hard to watch malaise Sep 2017 #73
The excuses being given are to try to divert the blame away from trump Gothmog Sep 2017 #12
Is it literally just the drivers that they need? thesquanderer Sep 2017 #17
Gen. Russel Honore, who turned Katrina around, said the military should have been prepositioned pnwmom Sep 2017 #44
Aren't a huge number of roads totally destroyed? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #18
That is why we need drones Not Ruth Sep 2017 #31
And the drones can carry how big a payload? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #34
Both destryed and blocked by downed trees TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #71
Heavy equipment operators and heavy road clearing equipment also. brush Sep 2017 #86
I suspect you don't know WTF you are talking about... Baconator Sep 2017 #19
Come again, I don't speak MAGA uponit7771 Sep 2017 #22
LOL Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #26
Sigh.. Really? Baconator Sep 2017 #30
Trump, his funkies and his henchmen are by no means "professionals" Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #35
Mixed bag at best... Baconator Sep 2017 #41
lol ... Red Don is "a coach" ?! lol ... again, I don't speak MAGA ... uponit7771 Sep 2017 #36
Try English then... Baconator Sep 2017 #42
Fuck Trump and those who normalize him by thinking he's got his shit together... clear? uponit7771 Sep 2017 #46
Literally has nothing to do with what we are talking about... Baconator Sep 2017 #53
Bull fuckin shit, buck stops with him ... PERIOD !!! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #57
Easy for internet posturing... Baconator Sep 2017 #67
Fact Not in dispute: Buck Stops With Donald Trump! Don't believe someone on DU opposes that uponit7771 Sep 2017 #68
The US got supplies to Iraq an Afghanistan somehow IronLionZion Sep 2017 #21
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #24
Are there gassed up trucks for them to drive B2G Sep 2017 #25
It was on MSNBC, trucks are at the docs and FEMA has the fuel but no one to drive the trucks uponit7771 Sep 2017 #37
This is standard procedure for the MILITARY, who should have been ready to go. pnwmom Sep 2017 #45
Just heard that !!! These fucks pretty much ignored the obvious apocalyptic devistation around the uponit7771 Sep 2017 #51
The people who might drive trucks don't have fuel in their cars to get to the ports. This is a job pnwmom Sep 2017 #52
our military has ways of getting stuff to places with no infrastructure IronLionZion Sep 2017 #55
Yes. And expecting this to be on the shoulders on the traumatized civilians who live there pnwmom Sep 2017 #65
IKR !?!?!? What the hell about apocalyptic devastation does Captain Fuck Up not understand ?! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #63
The message here? matt819 Sep 2017 #23
In the days following D Day SCVDem Sep 2017 #28
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #38
FEMA Director Brownie II. Where is Gen Russell Honore when we need him? nt No Vested Interest Sep 2017 #43
He's speaking out strongly. He says they should have prepositioned the military and that pnwmom Sep 2017 #50
They sure the fuck did mercuryblues Sep 2017 #93
The Governor of PR sarisataka Sep 2017 #49
BOOM !! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #60
Thinking it through sarisataka Sep 2017 #64
They need gasoline to get the trucks running. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #54
They got that, confiscated by FEMA ... it was on MSNBC ... gas and vehicles and no one to drive uponit7771 Sep 2017 #59
Okay, how about .... the orange jackass running the country was too busy stirring shit Lil Missy Sep 2017 #88
that is ridiculous. drray23 Sep 2017 #56
Right, how much would it cost to tell some drivers here they'd get paid 300 an hour to truck out to uponit7771 Sep 2017 #62
The government's response(or lack thereof) to this disaster dgibby Sep 2017 #66
Now this is crazy, but are we living in the dark ages???? bdamomma Sep 2017 #69
Thank you, putting this in the OP uponit7771 Sep 2017 #70
They. Can't Call. The. Drivers. NickB79 Sep 2017 #75
You could hire those little planes that drag banners by the beach to get the word out Not Ruth Sep 2017 #76
Thinking outside the box NickB79 Sep 2017 #78
Somehow I don't think banners about wet t-shirt contests would bring them in. rzemanfl Sep 2017 #80
Banners won't put gasoline in the cars of the truckers who don't live near the ports. pnwmom Sep 2017 #81
Because that is where the money is Not Ruth Sep 2017 #87
None of these traumatized civilians are or will become "essential personnel" with special access pnwmom Sep 2017 #89
Yes. AND the drivers are living in houses with the roofs blown off, pnwmom Sep 2017 #79
Right, cause their environment is destroyed ?! What about apocalyptic do people not understand?! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #82
After hurricane Andrew... Sedona Sep 2017 #83
I don't know all the facts here, but I do know the situation in Grand Cayman after Ivan onenote Sep 2017 #85
Caymans is a British isle too, you'd think they'd have their stuff together but they're thousands of uponit7771 Sep 2017 #91
I am not linking because it is from a questionable newspaper, but those poor animals, just horrible Not Ruth Sep 2017 #90
I have a CDL DiverDave Sep 2017 #92
Ah man, hope you get whats needed so you can go ... from the post above it looks like its not just uponit7771 Sep 2017 #94
One Transportation Unit in the US Army has a lot of truck drivers. kentuck Sep 2017 #97

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
2. There are 3 million people living in Puerto Rico
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:02 AM
Sep 2017

Many now without jobs.

I bet a lot of them can drive a truck.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
15. You're funny, no entry level cdl driver Ever makes a 100k a year.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:43 PM
Sep 2017

I have my CDL and the only way you can come close to a 100,000 a year is owning your own truck and never take a day off.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
61. Then they make 3 times more than truck drivers in the states.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:25 PM
Sep 2017


Schneider National one of the biggest trucking companies starting pay.


https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Schneider-Salaries-E2969.htm

$47,304

DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
95. I had a CDL until recently...
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:40 AM
Sep 2017

I even had my "own" truck near the end, and I got nowhere close to $100K. Of course, I insisted on running legal, which in those days, were not conducive to making any real money. With the ELD mandate later this year, it gets even worse because the "hidden" logbook trick doesn't really work anymore. The Brotherhood knows exactly what I'm talking about.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
58. In this time and place
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:24 PM
Sep 2017

Screw the license. If you can drive, start driving. Money, licenses and procedures can go to hell until these people are helped. it's a life or death situation with any non-canned or well preserved foods being non-existent or unfit for consumption at this point. Use mules if we need to, just get it delivered.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
39. That's not the issue. They don't have gas to put in their cars to drive to the ports,
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:55 PM
Sep 2017

and probably many of them have run out of food.

This is why the military should be there, as they were in Katrina. They are experts at these logistics.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
77. I have friends down there to respond
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:05 PM
Sep 2017

It's a mess getting people in. What infrastructure was there before was bad and Jerry rigged. Everything will have to be rebuilt from scratch. You can't retrofit everything

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
84. Offer them food, water and a safe place to stay for them and their families
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:52 PM
Sep 2017

There will be MORE than enough drivers to distribute goods. I would bet the problems are getting the word out that drivers are needed and that the people that could take the jobs are spending their time right now making sure their families are safe with essential supplies.

If the drivers get priority for their families, the word would get out quick that driving supplies is the best way to take care of their families.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
4. Just fast track CDL training for locals
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:16 AM
Sep 2017

You can teach someone who has never driven to pass a CDL test in 3 months

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
40. There isn't time. There isn't even gas to put in their cars to get them to the ports. The military
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:56 PM
Sep 2017

needs to do this kind of logistical work, as they did with Katrina.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
11. Seems wasteful unless you coordinate first
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:07 PM
Sep 2017

What if you drop perishables like milk and no one can reach it? It spoils in an hour.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
48. in the first drops... trust me, if people hear or see the copters
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:59 PM
Sep 2017

they will get to the food / phones / water being dropped.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
27. Powdered milk and
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:43 PM
Sep 2017

bottled water. Those drops usually consist of nonperishable foods(including MREs, basic meds, first aid supplies, and bottled water.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
74. Most cities in PR --
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 04:07 PM
Sep 2017

are built around a town/city square -- most have been in place since the 1700s. Those town squares would be the perfect place to drop resources -- people from an entire area can get there, even if it is on foot and pulling a handcart to bring back supplies.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
9. If FEMA hadn't commandeered
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:28 AM
Sep 2017

all the fuel (as reports state) Puerto Rican drivers would have been able to put gas in their cars and drive to the ports to drive the containers across the island. It's not as if we're talking about some huge island like Cuba or Hispaniola.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
10. Yes, it seems like FEMA is taking half ass'd steps ...there's no reason why there isn't distribution
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:40 AM
Sep 2017

... logistics setup already via copter airlift.

This shouldn't be another "the government there wouldn't let us" crap

I'm thinking if we're ever attacked in this country we're screwed because it seems like the number one excuse for officials to give when shit isn't getting done is; "we don't have enough"

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
32. I heard reports yesterday of FEMA reps in air-conditioned offices mulling around
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:46 PM
Sep 2017

this is a fucking mess...

malaise

(268,980 posts)
72. Look after the Dems held that news conference this morning both the WH and
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:21 PM
Sep 2017

Re[b/THUGs are scared shitless. Just watch the WH reaction on CNN now

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
47. When I was in the Navy,
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:59 PM
Sep 2017

I was stationed at the Naval Hospital at Roosey Roads, which is at the opposite end of the island from San Juan (about 150 miles, iirc). It was a 2 lane road and generally took about 1.5 hours to drive from the base into the Capitol. I haven't been back since '72, so don't know what kind of highway system is in place now, but that 2 lane was the main road at the time. My understanding is that most of the roads are impassable in many places. Seems to me that military air drops would be more efficient that trying to get 18 wheelers across a broken infrastructure. They need to send Gen. Honoree down there. He'd get things straightened out in a skinny minute.

I love PR, and it's breaking my heart to see what's happening there and in the Virgin Islands. Bad enough that they were hit by 2 monster storms, but worse that the racist pos in the WH is doing everything he can to inflict more pain and suffering on the victims.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
73. It's hard to watch
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:32 PM
Sep 2017

Really sad and this did not have to happen - better post hurricane plans should have been made.

Gothmog

(145,180 posts)
12. The excuses being given are to try to divert the blame away from trump
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:35 PM
Sep 2017

This idiot is lying to protect trump

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
17. Is it literally just the drivers that they need?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:12 PM
Sep 2017

I agree, it can't be that hard to ship/fly in a bunch of people who can drive trucks, from the military or otherwise. But maybe there are issues in acquiring/bringing the actual trucks needed? Keeping them fueled? I mean, maybe there was also damage to the vehicles and the fuel infrastructure that was already there? But I agree, if it's strictly the drivers, that sounds pretty lame.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
44. Gen. Russel Honore, who turned Katrina around, said the military should have been prepositioned
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:57 PM
Sep 2017

and that they should be handling these logistics now.

But DT didn't even put a general in charge until yesterday.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
18. Aren't a huge number of roads totally destroyed?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:21 PM
Sep 2017

And wouldn't much of that destruction be roads that lead to isolated towns?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
34. And the drones can carry how big a payload?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:49 PM
Sep 2017

The real problem is that our government didn't move immediately after Maria moved away from Puerto Rico, sending ships, planes, and helicopters loaded with goods, and plenty of fuel for the cars and trucks already on the island.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
30. Sigh.. Really?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:46 PM
Sep 2017

You get called out on mouthing off on a subject you are obviously ignorant on and your first instinct is to go down the Trump hole?

Issues...

You are that guy sitting on the couch watching football talking about how he could do a much better job than those professional athletes and coaches.

Only someone who has no idea what goes into a crisis response could say something so ignorant.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
41. Mixed bag at best...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:56 PM
Sep 2017

... but there are professionals in FEMA and in the military and I suspect they have a better idea as to the restrictions on the ground than a bunch of armchair quarterback looking to score political points.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
53. Literally has nothing to do with what we are talking about...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:01 PM
Sep 2017

Trump isn't smart enough to weigh in on the finer points of HA and relief.

You're just testy because you want to score political points.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
67. Easy for internet posturing...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:34 PM
Sep 2017

... but for actually getting aid and commodities to those in need? Not so much...

Guess it depends on what your priorities are...

In short... Lazy..

IronLionZion

(45,435 posts)
21. The US got supplies to Iraq an Afghanistan somehow
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:32 PM
Sep 2017

and Dumbo is planning on war with North Korea, but they can't figure out how to help American citizens on a nearby island.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
37. It was on MSNBC, trucks are at the docs and FEMA has the fuel but no one to drive the trucks
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:54 PM
Sep 2017

... and roads that aren't as clear as they're supposed to be.

But then someone upthread said airlift to distribution points.

I don't seen this as rocket science but it is to an ate up group of people like MAGA King

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
45. This is standard procedure for the MILITARY, who should have been ready to go.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:58 PM
Sep 2017

Instead, they didn't even put a general in charge till yesterday.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
51. Just heard that !!! These fucks pretty much ignored the obvious apocalyptic devistation around the
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:00 PM
Sep 2017

... area.

I'm thinking FEMA et al should be having their meetings in the middle of the floods with no water, air condition and everything smelling like shit.

Bet they'd figure something out real quick then !!!

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
52. The people who might drive trucks don't have fuel in their cars to get to the ports. This is a job
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:01 PM
Sep 2017

requiring logistics that the military knows how to handle. They should have been prepositioned, according to the general who turned Katrina around.

IronLionZion

(45,435 posts)
55. our military has ways of getting stuff to places with no infrastructure
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:03 PM
Sep 2017

there are amphibious landing craft that reach any beaches all over the island. There are massive cargo carrying helicopters. And of course 2 coast guard bases, an army base, and former Navy base on the island.

There are ways to get this done if they really wanted to.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
65. Yes. And expecting this to be on the shoulders on the traumatized civilians who live there
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:30 PM
Sep 2017

is unrealistic and unfair.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
23. The message here?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:38 PM
Sep 2017

Puerto Ricans are lazy, incompetent, etc.

Probably because they're Hispanic.

Small problem with that: Ethnic composition: white (mostly Spanish origin) 80.5%, black 8%, Amerindian 0.4%, Asian 0.2%, mixed and other 10.9%. From welcome.topuertorico.org/fastfacts.shtml.

All of which doesn't mean shit. They're Americans, and they need help. No less than Texans or Floridians.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
28. In the days following D Day
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:43 PM
Sep 2017

I believe it was called the Red Ball Express which had utmost priority to get the supplies out of Normandy and into the field.

No road? Plow one.

Bridge out? Install a temp military bridge.

I am tired of these excuses! We have done this before!

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
50. He's speaking out strongly. He says they should have prepositioned the military and that
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:59 PM
Sep 2017

the administration has failed to do its job.

This is a job for the military, not a bunch of civilian volunteers without adequate supplies or training. But they didn't even appoint a general to be in charge till yesterday.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
93. They sure the fuck did
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:29 PM
Sep 2017

and bigly. I suspect not 1 of them even knew PR is a US territory and thought it was not their job to help them.

I was appalled that the US comfort was not manned and in a position to help PR ASAP. No ships were in a position to help. No military RTD and get the logistics in place. It has been over a week and trump has finally stopped tweeting and got of the pot.

I read a post on here that hit the nail on the head. trump has been riding Obama's FEMA train until now. This is how trump's WH handles disasters.

sarisataka

(18,636 posts)
49. The Governor of PR
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:59 PM
Sep 2017

Says the same thing-

"When we say we that we don't have truck drivers, we mean that we have not been able to contact them," Rosselló said


Without communication they cannot reach the drivers. With roads out they cannot get teams to repair communication.

sarisataka

(18,636 posts)
64. Thinking it through
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:30 PM
Sep 2017

I believe special forces may be a solution. Send them in like Green Beret A teams.

They can provide stopgap communication and assist with setting up local supply distribution networks while adding only minimal drain on local resources.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
59. They got that, confiscated by FEMA ... it was on MSNBC ... gas and vehicles and no one to drive
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:24 PM
Sep 2017

... them, that was from the FEMA director then he gave the BS excuse of "we can't get people in" ... whatever

Wish I had the video

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
88. Okay, how about .... the orange jackass running the country was too busy stirring shit
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:50 PM
Sep 2017

to be concerned with this catastrophic crisis involving brown people.

Better?

drray23

(7,627 posts)
56. that is ridiculous.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:05 PM
Sep 2017

We ploughed roads, set up airfields, build bridges all while fighting the germans or japanese in wwii.

If the Trump admin was competent, they would send a battalion of army engineers down there to setup things and one of army transportation to do the logistics.
We have the capability to project our forces. We send 100,000 in irak. We should be able to send some in puerto rico.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
62. Right, how much would it cost to tell some drivers here they'd get paid 300 an hour to truck out to
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:26 PM
Sep 2017

... distribution points??!!?

I bet they'd have more people than they need... some people on DU are hell bent on giving Captain Fuck Up the benefit of the doubt when it comes to PR

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
66. The government's response(or lack thereof) to this disaster
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:33 PM
Sep 2017

is an unmitigated cluster fuck, and makes Katrina pale by comparison. This is not rocket science. FEMA knows what to do, the military knows what to do, the Gov. of PR knows what to do. The problem is the racist sociopathic sadist in the WH, who doesn't know what to do and doesn't care.

The first group he attacked when he announced his run for was Hispanics, and if there are people who think he makes a distinction between Mexican Hispanics and the folks in Puerto Rico, they are sadly mistaken. Same goes for the folks in the Virgin Islands. They are people of color, and in his mind, not worth saving. The only reason anything is being done now is because of the bad press he's getting. What a waste of skin and oxygen he is.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
75. They. Can't Call. The. Drivers.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:59 PM
Sep 2017

Why is this hard to understand? The island is wrecked beyond what most of us can understand. People are completely cut off in many communities.

No phone service to tell them to come in to work, and word of mouth only goes so far.
Little gas to drive to the ports from home, assuming their vehicles aren't totalled.
No bus service to commute.
Roads destroyed or blocked, preventing drivers from getting to the ports.

It's a miracle they've gotten as many drivers as they have so far.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
76. You could hire those little planes that drag banners by the beach to get the word out
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:02 PM
Sep 2017

I assume that there must be quite a few of them in Puerto Rico, given the beach tourism.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
81. Banners won't put gasoline in the cars of the truckers who don't live near the ports.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:16 PM
Sep 2017

Banners won't put roofs back on their houses, or help scrounge food for the truckers' families.

These traumatized people are just trying to get through the day ALIVE. The Feds should have put a general in charge immediately to get them the help they needed, and to begin the work of putting the infrastructure back into place. They didn't even name a general till yesterday.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
87. Because that is where the money is
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:49 PM
Sep 2017

The explanation that Willie Sutton gave for robbing banks.....

If you are or become essential personnel, you probably get first responder privilege in terms of receiving gas, food, water and other supplies and services for your family. It won't help you to live to the end of today, but it probably will help you live to the end of next week.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
89. None of these traumatized civilians are or will become "essential personnel" with special access
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:58 PM
Sep 2017

to supplies for their families. That's not how it works.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
79. Yes. AND the drivers are living in houses with the roofs blown off,
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:12 PM
Sep 2017

trying to clean up their property and to scrounge up enough water and food every day to keep their families alive.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
83. After hurricane Andrew...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:50 PM
Sep 2017

Someone? flew the Goodyear Blimp (I shit you not) over hard hit areas at night with messages about where and when to get relief supplies , what radio stations to listen to for info etc. It was stationed near me in Pompano Beach, saw it with my own eyes.

(Video is just an example of what it can do)

onenote

(42,700 posts)
85. I don't know all the facts here, but I do know the situation in Grand Cayman after Ivan
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:02 PM
Sep 2017

When I visited Grand Cayman in January 2005, some four months after it was clobbered by Category Five Hurricane Ivan, there were still portions of the island without power. Moreover, there were containers piled up waiting to be delivered, but they couldn't go anywhere because the truck cabs needed to move the containers and/or their contents to the locations where the material would be unloaded weren't available. Along with a substantial number of cars on the island, many if not most of the truck had been destroyed or seriously damaged by the storm and replacements were slow in coming. There were almost no rental cars (and if you could get one there were significant penalties for returning it late). Three months after the storm we passed stacks of flattened cars and numerous overturned and crushed trucks.

The US government clearly is failing in doing what needs to be done for Puerto Rico, particularly respect to getting food and water to people, but even under the best of circumstances, it is going to be a very long time before the island recovers. Months before power is fully restored. Years before the island begins to resemble its former self.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
91. Caymans is a British isle too, you'd think they'd have their stuff together but they're thousands of
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:09 PM
Sep 2017

... miles away from UK shores.

I'd bet if Obama or some 12 yr old was in office something better would be done to get relief to the island

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
90. I am not linking because it is from a questionable newspaper, but those poor animals, just horrible
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:54 PM
Sep 2017

The dogs ran wild on so-called “Dead Dog Beach” in Puerto Rico — abused and then abandoned by their owners.

Then the hurricane hit, and the feral dogs were washed away. None survived.

Christina Beckles, a New Yorker who founded a nonprofit to save the slum dogs of Puerto Rico, flew to the devastated island after the hurricane to assist her staff at the Sato Project and whatever dogs they could help.

“Once the hugs and tears were over, the first thing we all wanted to do was go to the beach to look for our feral dogs,” Beckles wrote on Facebook.

“Sadly, we did not find them and our hearts are heavy with the reality upon seeing the utter devastation at the beach — they did not survive.”

The island of 3.4 million people is without electricity, and water, and looters have taken over as police and the National Guard enforce a strict 6 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew — leaving Americans in chaos, abandoned by their government.

“It’s a war zone,” Beckles said by email. “There is no power or water. We are under curfew from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. Food is becoming scarce and people are getting desperate. Looting has already begun. The lines to get gas are seven to ten hours long — to receive $10 worth of gas.”

Beckles’ own home in Puerto Rico was also destroyed.

“It has a tree on it and is 6 feet under water,” she said.

“The water became contaminated a few days after the storm. The Mayor of San Juan evacuated the area on Saturday due to the serious health issue the water now presents.”

Her home was filled with raw sewage when she returned Tuesday.

“We had to wade through thigh high black water to get to it. Everything we own is gone,” she said.

“Today, Wednesday, we went back and the water level has now RISEN. It has not been raining here. There is a park at the end of our block that was flooded and it was pumped out two days ago. Why pump the water out of a park yet leave an entire neighborhood under sewer water? I am not trying to single myself out – I am acutely aware that there are thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of people that have lost everything. They ALL need help now.”

Beckles said that throughout the tragedy, the sense of community is heartening.

“The majority of people are coming together and helping each other. Neighbors are the ones cleaning the streets and moving debris. I feel an incredible sense of community,” she wrote by email.

“Hospitals are running on generators and they are running out of fuel. Yet the largest mall on the island already has power.”

She added that the hurricane hit directly on Dead Dog Beach in Yabucoa.

“The municipality suffered the loss of 99% of their buildings. We were caring for 3 feral dogs there and they have not been seen since 9/19,” she wrote.

“Our team visited the beach yesterday and upon seeing the devastation we believe at this time those dogs have perished. We have rescued three dogs since the hurricane – all dumped during the storm. One is heavily pregnant and was with a small puppy.”

She was told by a security guard for the hotel at the beach that the dogs “were screaming in terror.”

“They are now safe in our care and will be transported off the island on Friday.”

Beckles said that in the first few days after the hurricane, it seemed things might be fine — but help never came.

“We are now 7 days in and nothing is happening. How can anyone feel safe with a curfew in place and looting going on?” she said.

The mayor of San Juan has warned people to stay indoors and not violate the curfew for their own safety.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
92. I have a CDL
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:11 PM
Sep 2017

With a haz-mat. I have hauled gas and oil. I can haul heavy equipment, containers and pretty much anything.
My company doesnt want to lose any drivers.
I am trying to figure out how to get down there to help.
I sent a message to Mark Cuban asking if he wanted to sponser me and several other drivers.
Thinking about a gofundme plea.
We lost our house in a fire when I was a boy, I know about losing everything.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
94. Ah man, hope you get whats needed so you can go ... from the post above it looks like its not just
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:44 PM
Sep 2017

... drivers its trucks too because they're only showing the trucks that can be driven on TV the rest of the joint is in shambles.

Just listened to the guy on the TRMS and he said the drivers that are there want security because if they drive with those supplies they fear they'll be mobbed.

Sounds like things are apocalyptic for sure

kentuck

(111,092 posts)
97. One Transportation Unit in the US Army has a lot of truck drivers.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:19 AM
Sep 2017

Perhaps they are all stationed in the Middle East?

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