Wow. Bravenak (DU member) going at it with Sarandon!

[Amimnoch]

Came across this on my feed. Some strong feelings there!

https://thedailybanter.com/2017/09/susan-sarandon-sics-her-twitter-bullies/

From the article:

"Susan seems quite out of touch with the realities faced by women of color on the web," Bravenak told the Banter. The incident reminded her of Sarandon's harassment of Dolores Huerta, the United Farm Workers co-founder she got in a shouting match with at the Nevada caucus last year. "Her weaponizing her whiteness and wealth to drive white progressives to attack us shows how removed she is from the daily challenges we face," she continued. "I hope she takes time to self-reflect."

Love her/hate her, Bravenak sure lays it out there.

[octoberlib]

1. Excellent response!

[haveahart]

65. Bravenak wrote an excellrent poem for Hillary. It's on her twitter feed. I don't know how

to copy it here. I highly recommend it.

[pamela]

240. Here you go...

For Hillary:
Is the world my grave?
Should I hide in loss and refuse human touch?
My proud stance in defeat induces outrage,
they eat my tears, and drink my blood.
Lean on my losses like the veriest crutch.
Should I simply die?
Maybe stop the blood from flowing, to pay your cost?
The fact that I breathe seems to facilitate,
rending of garments; revelries in my loss,
fainting couches and embers of hate…
Do you want me to hide in the woods?
A lonely old woman just picking her way
through the brambles in the wilderness
of lies, and attacks, and abuse that lay
on the path of most resistance?
Shall I dig the hole real deep?
How far beneath the earth should my living body rest?
You’d send me to the place where old women go
when old men would rather see them no more?
Quietly dying on the brink of the crest.
No, the world is not my grave.
I shall not die in shame.
The woods are too quiet to keep me contained.
I will burn up the world until my light dies,
I rise again like the Phoenix, unrestrained.

[George II]

251. That woman is talented.

[octoberlib]

458. I follow her on Twitter . I must have missed that. Thanks for the info!

[guillaumeb]

2. Score: Bravenak 1, Sarandon and bullies: 0

I miss her voice here.

[BainsBane]

8. +1

[GoCubsGo]

21. I miss her, too.

[all american girl]

37. I miss her also.

I go and look at her feed because she's funny and I love her poems. She's still the lovely sassy woman she's always been.

[guillaumeb]

50. I am not on Twitter, but I (almost) wish that I were a member.

[yuiyoshida]

42. She really has her hands full

warding off Bullies... I don't envy that ... I had a hard enough time warding off Right wingers from my DU postings... geeeze!! Some times I wish I had my WARFRAME on so I can battle them with my blades!!!

Link to tweet

[guillaumeb]

48. Bravenak is smart enought to fight a few Sarandons at once.

Agreed that bullies can be an issue everywhere.

[yuiyoshida]

55. SHE IS BLOCKING THEM...

That's all you can do, and Its all I could ever do...just like putting them on ignore.

Link to tweet

[Kentonio]

138. Fighting off bullies?

By sending celebrities memes telling them repeatedly to 'fuck off'? Yeah, such a victim..

[betsuni]

140. Wrong. Says right in the subtitle that someone "retweets something from a Resistance activist"

Bravenak didn't send it to Sarandon.

[yuiyoshida]

142. bingo, exactly right

WTF is it with people HERE blaming the victim?? They THINK she deserves this crap??

[Ninsianna]

342. Apparently the personal animosity allows some people to defend the

racist and misogynistic bullies attacking someone they don't like. Gotta love how "being a victim" is somehow distorted.

yeah, she's strong as hell, that doesn't make her any less the victim of vicious attacks by bullies who were unleashed by a bitter, nasty, hateful woman who couldn't deal with a black woman speaking about her without inserting her condescending self into the conversation and tacitly approving what she knew would follow. We've seen how Susan deals with women of color.

[betsuni]

351. Yes.

[Jim Beard]

445. Which one is the "bitter, nasty woman".

I usually don't read this type thread.

[Ninsianna]

459. The one that was telling people that Trump would "bring on the revolution" without

any idea or care that people die in revolutions, usually the ones who do not have the privilege that people like Sarandon do.

Bitterness and nastiness is what causes someone to be that callous, and who so casually encourage the harassment on their behalf.

She knows what she unleashed, knew it while she was doing it, and stays silent, watching with glee as the racists attack.

[Ninsianna]

144. She didn't send Sarandon anything. Sarandon decided to step in

into a discussion that she was not included in, thereby signalling her followers to attack her on the nastiest, misogynistic, racial terms.

She was having a conversation with her followers on a thread that Sarandon was not included in, about the truly moronic celebrity who was giddily telling gullible fools that the parties were equivalent, and that it would be wonderful if Trump was elected because it would "bring on the revolution". A sentiment that deserves scorn and a speaker, who was ensconced in her privilege, status and wealth, that earned it honestly.

Said privileged white lady condesecended to accept an apology that was not actually offered, and in doing so exposed someone who is just an average woman, to the harassment and abuse of her followers. Something she was well aware would occur. The tweets her minions unleashed show exactly how cyberbullying happens, and yes, the target of this venom, who is not a celebrity, not a rich, entitled, and awfully bitter white lady who spread a whole lot of propaganda with her status and encouraged a Stein voter that gave us Trump is indeed a victim.

She's also a fellow DUer, so that's a pretty callous disregard for the safety of one of our community. Who did not do what you falsely claim.

Sarandon stuck her entitled nose into a thread that didn't include her and which did express what many Americans feel about about her. She and her minions, as well as the minions of the other equally repulsive public figure who unleashed her minions to attack another woman (and it's always women who they attack, isn't it?) did the same.

Seems to be habit with these people who cheered on a deadly incompetent idiot, encouraged people to stay at home, or vote for the Putin endorsed candidates, and told people that voting Trump would be a good thing.

While we're sitting here watching people die, dealing with the shitshow that affects us all, but not her own entitled self, the sentiment Bravenak expressed is echoed by millions. Abusing her with racist, misogynistic attacks questioning her mental health, really speaks loudly about those who attack her and those who echo rape culture by stating that "she got what she deserved".

So yeah, she was a victim, she's not just weak enough to sit back and take it. And Sarandon and her minions and anyone who defends this crap certainly can take Bravenak's advice.

[Kentonio]

253. Ah right, so it's about not bullying women?

So posting a picture of a woman's face with 'Fuck You!' written over it isn't classed as bullying because hey it's Susan Sarandon and apparently that means it doesn't count?

And spare me the victim status crap for Bravenak, she's a strong, opinionated woman who has absolutely no issues with throwing gasoline on the debate fires and jumping in for a bare knuckle fight. She did it here non-stop during the primaries, and despite me seriously disagreeing with a lot of her opinions and her methods of airing them, I always respected her strength and passion. The last damn thing she is is a victim.

[all american girl]

303. Well, SS is not a victim here she was the bully.

There are many, many of us who don't forgive her for making the "joke" that she wasn't a "vagina voter" because she was voting for bernie...I was so angry I was seeing red every single time I heard it. I'm a woman and I did my research, listen to the candidates and then made my decision on who I was supporting. She took all of our hard work and made us into a joke for her pleasure and the pleasure of bernie supporters. So yeah, FUCK her. I don't care about her stupid feelings and bravenak was not out of line to express what a lot of us feel.

[Kentonio]

333. Either bullying women is ok or it's not ok

You can't just decide that it's ok in one case because you don't like or agree with the woman in question. I don't agree with a lot of what Sarandon has come out with either, but some of the pure hate thrown at her is way beyond acceptable behavior. We're supposed to be better people than that.

[all american girl]

347. Bravenak made a meme expressing her views of SS

she didn't @ SS...it was made for braves followers...SS made a passive aggressive move when she responded to it, and hey, that's a serious whatevs...but it was SS followers that then decided that it was cool to go after brave in sexist and racist ways. The meme that Brave created wasn't sexist or racist. She didn't use ugly altered pics of SS to make her point (like shit we see of Hillary)...And yes, there is a lot of hate out there for her. She used her voice, and being famous gives her a louder one than most, to insult women voters, and then when her candidate lost said that Hillary was just as bad as Trump...also stating that it would be OK if Trump won because that would bring the revolution on faster...not caring about all the people who would be in the cross fire, as we are seeing now.

In my opinion, there was nothing wrong with people disagreeing with brave, but when they went into racist and sexist bullshit, that was bullying. It's been days and it's still going on. This is the shit that women, and Hillary voters have been complaining about for over 2 years...now people are standing up and taking receipts about bullying behavior. You may think that brave went over the line by making that meme, but the people who went over the line and need to be called out, they are the people who think it's OK to try and silence women and WOC for expressing there opinion. If brave truly wanted to bully her, she would have @ her and have her thousands and thousands of followers (which she doesn't have anywhere near as many as SS) go after her. SS punched down. I also have the same opinion as Brave...Fuck you is how I feel about her..SS knew exactly what she was doing and probably likes the results. I'm seeing a lot of black women on twitter pissed at SS...so I'm, again, going to listen to black women because they know.

[betsuni]

350. +1

[Ninsianna]

425. +1,000,000

[Ninsianna]

338. Ah, right, the bullying of Bravenak is somehow not about the bullying of women.

Sorry but defending the racist harassment as you've chosen to do, is a poor choice for anyone claiming to be a progressive.

A member of this board is being attacked by an army of racist, sexist bullies, unleashed by a bitter, vindictive hateful woman who encouraged morons to vote trump, and that's fine?

Spare me the victim status for Susan Sarandon, and her army of hateful idiots engaging in misogynistic, racist idiocy.

There is no excuse for defending this crap, or lying about it, or stating "she asked for it".

So if it's someone you disagree with here, it's just fine when that level of hate is spewed upon them by some rich white celebrity who launched her army of haters upon her?

Got it, only victim here is the bully with the platform, the power and the army of haters she sent to attack someone you didn't like.

Excellent stance, so progressive. Take a look at the shit being thrown at her and examine what you're saying.

[Kentonio]

340. Ah right, so disagreement means I'm a racist.

Got it. Thanks for the chat, it's been informative.

[Ninsianna]

341. Defending racist and misogynistic bullies is what you're doing.

Sorry if you chose to distort what I said to deny what's going on. Defending bullies engaging in racism is not a nice thing to do, glad I could educate you.

[Kentonio]

365. You're doing a gross disservice to racial equality

With your frankly disgusting use of groundless and pathetic accusations of racism to shut down anyone who disagrees with you. According to you, if I think it's not ok for people to post pictures of a woman's face with 'Fuck you!' written over it, I'm somehow the one defending racist and mysogynistic bullies.

I'll be putting you on ignore now, because I have absolutely no interest in reading any more of your childish and offensive nonsense.

[Ninsianna]

409. This is the exact attack that people who get called out defending racists engage in

projection of what truly is disgusting, to pretend that they're not the ones trying to shut down those who point out their errors and their poor choices to ignore the actual racism they're fine with because the target is someone they admit they don't like.

It's weird, how instead of actually apprehending my position, the reflex is to attribute things you wish I had said, but didn't.

The defense of racists and misogynists who attack a fellow DU member is indeed disgusting, but those who cheer on bullies do get upset when they're exposed for what they're doing.

Childish and offensive defenses of racist misogyny will always be called out, but it's okay ignore what I've said, or what anyone else has said because silencing women is what racist misogynists do, after distorting our voices, ignoring them of course.

Thanks for demonstrating how accurate and true my point was, with the deliberate distortion. I look forward to a peaceful experience here, with out the childish lies, the silliness and the projection that has been a pattern.

Bye!

[Jim Beard]

447. Kentonio , I hate to see you ignore because what is then left is the

[cwydro]

369. Don't you know?

This is a fan club thread.

Dissension is not allowed.

[Jim Beard]

443. As is common on DU

[cwydro]

444. True dat. nt

[all american girl]

359. +1

I have a tear in my eye from reading this...you are AWESOME!!!!!!

[cwydro]

372. Bravenak started this nonsense.

She seems to thrive on internet drama.

[Ninsianna]

407. Well, actually, that's not true.

Sarandon did. Bravenak was expressing her opinion, and adding to some meme she had made and left her highness, Sarandon off of. Which is her right.

Sarandon decided to step in and make a condescending remark, which provoked her minions to engage is some frothy racist and misogynistic harassment.

It's both unfair and inaccurate to claim that someone expressing her anger at public figures who made themselves central in a political drama and said some dumb things, "started" something, when that was the action of Sarandon herself, and the dramatic bots who seem to enjoy attacking women, especially women of color who dare to speak out .

She's not the one thriving on drama, that's Sarandon and her hordes, some deeply hoodwinked, some fake, some shills, some bots, and most raving lunatics who are frothily demonstrating that Brave and other critics are correct about what they perceive.

[Ms. Toad]

441. That's a hell of a twist on reality.

Bravenak created a meme "apologizing" to sarandon for not telling her to fuck off earlier. It contained 9 images of sarandon with some variation of fuck you across them. Granted, she did not specifically tag sarandon in the tweet - but she did not "omit" her from it, any more than the high school bullies I encountered omitted me from the distribution of hurtful memes they created and circulated about me. When you broadcast something indiscriminately to the entire school (in my instance) or to the world (with Twitter) you are not omitting anyone, nor is it butting in to a conversation for the target to respond to a conversation you initiated with the broad audience. No one, even celebrities is obligated to remain silent in the face of vulgar attacks.

Bravenak was acting like a bully. I vividly remember the sting of cruel messages circulated to my classmates that ultimately, as they were intended to do, reached my desk. Sarandon responded with far more restraint than I did.

That is not to say that Sarandon did not invite criticism; but that does not turn her measured response into harassment, nor does it turn the response of the friends of the target of bravenak's bullying behavior into harassment.

[Demsrule86]

355. Saradon is a boil upon the arse of humanity. She is an unrepentant Trump supporter...when she

encouraged others to vote for Stein...to bring about her shiny (I need meaning for my useless empty sad but really rich life) revolution, she lost all credibility. You are Scum...Susan. (Go get her Bravenek...miss you). Saradaon you are a spoiled brat who views those who suffer because of Trump's election including but not limited to those who die in Puerto Rico are on your head... you are a scumsucking entitled selfish spoiled waste of human life with no compassion and even few brains.

[all american girl]

360. +1

I'm not understanding all this "ooo, Brave is being mean to SS" shit. SS is an awful woman and I hold her partially responsible for the crap show we are living....By the way, I wonder what she's done for her "revolution" because I haven't seen anything, except her trying to take credit for some of the resistance....

[Demsrule86]

379. I despise her ...hope Brave rips her a new one.

[kcr]

146. If you don't know how Twitter works, probably best not to comment n/t

[cwydro]

191. If someone puts out a "fuck you" meme with any other person's name

I would think the other person has a right to respond. Doesn't matter if it was sent directly or not.

I'm no fan of Sarandon, but bravenak brought this on herself.

Something sad about a person who sits around making "fuck you" memes about others.

What a negative way to spend one's time.

[betsuni]

193. Not if the person deserves it, like Sarandon and Trump and Republicans.

People who trash Democrats and great people like bravenak are negatively spending their time and are sad and stupid.

[cwydro]

207. We know she deserves it, but obviously she wouldn't think so.

Hence, the response.

If one wants to insult others on the internet, one should not be surprised if a backlash occurs.

[disillusioned73]

224. Agreed..

but the fan club does not regard civility a virtue around here..

[cwydro]

246. You got that right. nt

[JHan]

278. lol civility is the concern now?

Lol lol lol lol ...





Give me a break. Civility died EONS ago. And re 2016, it didn't die because of Bravenak.

[SMC22307]

439. It seems they think the white lady...

should sit down and shut up when the black lady flings shit at her. I'm no fan of Sarandon, but she had every right to respond. I'm definitely no fan of Bravenak or her MO of shit-stirring, then crying foul when she gets pushback. The victim schtick got old fast...

[Jim Beard]

448. Thank you.

[all american girl]

149. Se didn't send it to her...but SS thought it was cool to send her

bullies out. What's funny she has done others, this is the one that brought all the bullies, and boy, they are quite a racist, sexist bunch.

[Gothmog]

235. Agreed

[ehrnst]

237. +1000 (nt)

[JHan]

277. me too, big time.

[Me.]

3. "Weaponizing Her Whiteness"

Brilliant

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. Love her!

[Gothmog]

5. K&R

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Bravenak is a true social warrior. She isnt perfect, but she gets it DONE!

[tymorial]

121. Who is nt

[ehrnst]

238. "Getting it done" is way better than perfectionism, IMHO. (nt)

[arthritisR_US]

279. +1!

[BainsBane]

7. She's AWESOME!

[Lucinda]

9. KNR Thank you!

[lunamagica]

10. K&R! That's our Bravenak!

[Mike Nelson]

11. Interesing...

...how she draws out the racism in Sarandon's followers. I think they will like Trump's new tax plans.

[all american girl]

38. I was following that and wow...some real racists out there

I do find it funny that they hate on a black woman and defend a 1% white woman, like she has no power. I'm still so pissed at SS funny "joke" about vagina votes...not forgiving that sexist shit.

[Bleacher Creature]

12. Where is she? NT

[Nevernose]

16. She got booted

Last edited Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:00 PM - Edit history (1)

For anti-Semitic comments.

The assholery during the primary was on both sides.

Also: Susan Sarandon has a special place in Hell.

On edit: she appears to have just gone primarily to Twitter, and has a DU account. I'll read what she writes in either place. I still agree that "Fuck You" is the only proper comment to be made to Susan Sarandon.

[Bleacher Creature]

18. Wow, I had a feeling it wasn't by choice, but I had no idea why.

That's a complete game changer for me.

Thanks for letting me know.

[Nevernose]

23. I'm totally hazy on the details

And I might be way off base. In fact, I hope I am

[Amimnoch]

24. Looks like she's FFR, not actually banned.

I'm curious too. I'd just figured the lack of posting was due to all of the other effort she puts into social media.

[melman]

25. You're not off base

Her anti-semitism is well documented.

[George II]

29. That's actually not true. I have Jewish heritage and was accused of being anti-Semitic, too.

[kcr]

160. Article in the OP talks about another victim who had the same accusation slung at her.

Bullies stalk and harass and then take the responses and twist them out of context. It was obvious that was what was happening here. DU was a real shit show during the election.

[treestar]

212. Yep there are unreasonable people in every demographic

Accusations are easily made.

[6000eliot]

450. During the election? Have you looked at this thread?

[oberliner]

174. In what context?

Can you provide any details?

[George II]

216. I'd love to tell you but that might cause me some problems.

[6000eliot]

449. I'm gay and was reported for being homophobic on here.

Had a post blocked as well.

[brush]

33. Well document it here now. Don't make that kind of accusation without proof.

This can't be taken lightly.

I was accused of anti-Semitism here myself just last week for criticizing Netanyahu for trying to goad us into attacking Iran, as if that's the same thing as being anit-Semitic.

[George II]

45. See my post 29, I was too. Seems if you criticize someone who is Jewish you're anti-Semitic.

[R B Garr]

57. I remember that line of "attack' being trumped up because Hillary is a woman.

An equalizer of -isms, so to speak. It wasn't really a genuine event, so I can see what you're saying.

[sheshe2]

77. Ummhmm

[pnwmom]

34. Then document it, instead of throwing out accusations. I never saw it.n/t

[melman]

35. This has been discussed here many times

in many threads including a 500-post "apology" thread. I find it kind of hard to believe you missed all that.

[pnwmom]

41. I don't know what you're talking about. n/t

[melman]

47. Then do a search

You'll find plenty on this topic.

[pnwmom]

49. You made the assertion; it's up to you to back it up. I'm not going on any wild goose chases. nt

[George II]

52. That's the way it goes around here...."you go find what I said".

[melman]

64. "made the assertion"

No. I referenced something that is very well known here.

Known to everyone I would think. In the unlikely event that someone doesn't get the reference they can look it up.

[pnwmom]

74. You made the assertion: "Her anti-semitism is well documented."

And then you refused to back it up -- for some reason known only to you.

[sheshe2]

404. Well documented they say?

There must be hundreds of posts then. I don't remember one...well her apology, yet there are more???

[sheshe2]

80. So well known???

Link.

[treestar]

213. Oh please, who remembers

every DU dust up, especially if not involved in it?

[Jim Beard]

451. I don't know either.

[melman]

453. Well

Then you have found the right thread. Keep reading and you'll see it.

[progressoid]

167. LMGTFY...

Her "apology" for her anti-Semitic comments was the first one google found:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10027698667

[melman]

170. Oh yes

Admitted it all. Isn't that something?

[George II]

280. What "apology"? What "anti-Semitic comments"? Don't see any.

[melman]

283. Right

The apology post was deleted so that means it was never there.


Even though there are hundreds of posts in that thread addressing it. Including the first reply which says 'thanks for your apology"


But the actual first post was deleted so it must not have ever happened.

[George II]

286. No one knows for sure what it said - anyone have a screen shot?

Aside from that, didn't you say it was "well documented"?

[melman]

289. Sorry

Not interested in this game.

[progressoid]

295. Snort. Ok, maybe she was "apologizing" for bad grammar.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7698689

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7698770

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7698913

[George II]

301. I still don't see anything anti-Semitic.

[progressoid]

320. Yep, those DUers accepting her apology mistakenly thought it was about her anti-Semitic comments.

Turns out that whole apology thread was about her misuse of the semi-colon.

[George II]

358. Curious, all of these posts talk about "anti-Semitism", yet no one can show us a single word....

....of anti-Semitism. Guess it isn't so well documented, huh?

[melman]

366. Everyone has seen it

Some just like to pretend they haven't.

[George II]

367. Never happened. And it's only proven out by the fact that no one can post a single...

...."anti-Semitic" comment or quote.

Have a blessed day.

[melman]

368. It's been posted many times

Everyone has seen it.

[George II]

374. And yet no one seems to be able to find it. Why is that?

[melman]

376. It's been posted many times

And linked to right in this very thread. Some just pretend not to have seen it.

[George II]

385. On DU? This very thread? Really? I've read every post (all 300+)....

...I haven't seen anything anti-Semitic.

[melman]

387. Sure

Whatever you say.

[George II]

389. Funny thing, I say something doesn't exist, you say it does but can't point me to it.

I guess I'll drop out of this discussion and go to the Mystic Aquarium again.

[melman]

390. Who says I can't?

I just know that there's no need because there isn't a single person here who hasn't seen it. Not one.

[George II]

391. Oh, you've taken a poll of all the people here? NO ONE has seen it, it does not exist.

[melman]

392. No one?

Then what was the apology all about?

[George II]

393. Why ask me? You "read" what the apology was about didn't you?

[melman]

396. This is all very transparent

This whole routine here is quite...well... not exactly clever ...but it's something.

Points for effort I suppose, but unfortunately these techniques don't work on me. Sooo so sorry.

[sheshe2]

406. I never saw it.

Please provide a link.

[melman]

408. Sorry

Not playing this game.

[Jim Beard]

452. I have heard that Chess helps the mind block out unpleasant thoughts and is relaxing. It is a game I

[melman]

454. That's nice

[cwydro]

53. I missed that.

I didn't even know she was gone.

Is there a link?

[George II]

70. If it was discussed here "many times" surely it wouldn't take you long to find one, true?

[melman]

78. Find one?

Why would I need to find one? I'm not the one claiming to know nothing about this. I'm all caught up, thanks. Don't need to read or find anything.

Anyway, there's a link in this very thread for those really interested and somehow unable to remember this infamous incident and/or do a search.

[George II]

81. You're the one who made a characterization about a member here which may or may not be true....

....one would think it would behoove the person who made the assertion to show how that it is true, correct?

[sheshe2]

84. True.

Also the assertion is being made about a member that can not defend herself.

[George II]

88. And it's not even true. I wonder if anyone here even knows what being "anti-Semitic" really is....

....much less spell it correctly.

[stevenleser]

98. She made a single unfortunate statement, probably in anger. But that commenter is exaggerating

To say that "her antisemitism is well documented" is stretching the truth past the breaking point.

As George II indicated above, accusations of antisemitism were flying without any regard to reality. I am Jewish (and the son of a holocaust survivor) and I was accused of antisemitism for not supporting Bernie and for characterizing him as a snake oil salesman with a post of a video from one of my favorite movies "The Inspector General". The video is Yakov's elixer.

As I laughingly indicated to people at the time, besides the fact that I am Jewish, the Yakov in Yakov's elixer is not Jewish, they are Roma. And the film stars and is centered around one of my favorite actors of all time, Danny Kaye, who is Jewish and would not have participated in a film with any antisemitic depictions. In fact his role in Skokie was pretty groundbreaking, you should Google what that movie was about to see what I mean.

In any case, you have to take any antisemitism accusations by Bernie supporters against Hillary supporters with, if not a grain of salt, with at least deep suspicion.

One unfortunate statement is not "her antisemitism is well documented". I would have preferred if Bravenak had not said it, and it was right that she apologized, but many here who never have spoken up for Jews in any context other than this have used the issue as a political weapon rather than a fight against religiocentrism and bigotry.

[JHan]

104. +++++

[berni_mccoy]

105. It was more than a single statement and you know that. She was quite the disruptor

And did you see this?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html

[stevenleser]

106. Nope, the only statement I remember was linked below by "Still One"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9648514

You will note that Still_One like me is Jewish. Most Jews here on DU forgave Bravenak when she apologized.

I find only non-Jews pushing the "antisemitism" label on her.

[berni_mccoy]

108. She posted vile shit from RWer sources

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=152392

[stevenleser]

109. Are we still discussing the antisemitism accusation or are you now throwing anything at her that

you can think of?

[berni_mccoy]

110. Did you read it?

She was posting vile RWer shit. Her antisemitism was widely known, and not just here.

[stevenleser]

113. On a scale of 1-10 in terms of antisemitic statements made toward me in my life

that would rate about a 0.9.

Does that make it OK? No. But it does not warrant what you are making it.

[berni_mccoy]

116. Your claim was she made a single statement. That's pretty much NOT true at all.

[stevenleser]

117. You linked the same one I knew about and that still_one posted below. If you know more

link them.

[still_one]

352. For some reason, some are reposting the same reference I referred to, and referencing it as though

they were different events.

I think I even saw a comment in this thread with a link trying to infer that she is somehow associated with the Russians. That link does not show that at all.

I have not seen the repeated use of anti-Semitic remarks that is being alleged

As I said, there was an apology, which I believed to be sincere, and some accepted that apology, and some didn't.

There was a lot of ugliness going on in 2016, and the exchanges that took place between us left a mark, that will take a long time to heal.

It is obvious that DU is still being haunted by the ghosts of 2016.

.

[stevenleser]

361. I'll send you a PM with my full thoughts but it's clear some still have it out for her and

are trying to magnify and invent anything they can to throw at her.

[fleabiscuit]

151. Except you won't find anything re Brav there. nt

[pnwmom]

132. You're going to accuse her of being a fake activist?

[George II]

218. Well, if there was more than one, as I said to the other person who claimed....

...her anti-Semitism is "well documented", then it wouldn't be too difficult to find other examples, right?

What does that link have to do with this discussion. Are you hinting that Bravenak is a Russian plant?

[berni_mccoy]

227. She wasn't just Banned from DU, she was banned from Kos

And if you get banned from multiple progressive sites, you are doing something very very wrong.

[George II]

230. This is DU, what happens anywhere else is irrelevant. And she wasn't banned from DU.

[berni_mccoy]

248. It's not irrelevant. And FFR for MONTHS is effectively, yes, Banned.

[kcr]

269. The effect may be the same, but the implications aren't. It isn't the same.

Accounts are banned and shut off at DU. Hers wasn't. When people hear a poster is banned it implies something much different than being in review limbo.

[cwydro]

261. I find it troubling that she posted on that rightwing site.

I'd never even heard of it until I followed some of the links in this thread.

[sheshe2]

410. I am confused at your response to McCoy.

berni_mccoy (20,266 posts)
227. She wasn't just Banned from DU, she was banned from Kos

And if you get banned from multiple progressive sites, you are doing something very very wrong.

KOS is a RW site now?

[cwydro]

299. Yes.

This.

[pnwmom]

131. Thanks, stevenleser! n/t

[redgreenandblue]

172. She stated that she opposed Bernie "to repay the Jews in kind". She back-peddled later

and switched to just hating Bernie.

Her apology would have been credible if she had the decency to stop the smears against Bernie afterwards. Instead, we are expected to believe that she went from hating Bernie for being Jewish to just hating him for being Bernie within a week. How convenient...

[stevenleser]

192. You can have your opinion, Jews like me on DU have ours

People can decide which one of our views on antisemitism hold more weight.

[redgreenandblue]

198. Right. Because you magically know my cultural identity and have polled "99% of Jewish DUers"

as you claimed below. Not.

[stevenleser]

199. I can tell pretty easily by how you have politicized this. No one actually concerned

about antisemitism would do that.

[redgreenandblue]

202. Right. I have "politicized this"...

Uh huh

[stevenleser]

223. Yup, your #173 below shows what your concern really is. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

284. I bet that one will get ignored.

[happy feet]

181. +1

[EllieBC]

205. Does that forgiveness apply to other people who make bigoted comments?

Or just antisemitic comments?

Seems to be a lot of people make excuses for antisemitic comments or give people passes for making them.

I guess Jews don't get the same level protection as other groups.

[treestar]

214. There was a poster who accused people

of homophobia for not agreeing with everything he said. Every ism had been thrown around sometime by someone.

[stevenleser]

221. Again, depending on exactly what was said? Yes. This was pretty mild. nt

[mcar]

96. Do tell

[murielm99]

136. So prove it.

Many DU members of color were alert stalked and silenced. She was a strong voice, so she was one of them.

I am not Jewish but I was accused of anti-Semitism by someone here, someone I now have on ignore.

[oberliner]

177. In what context were you accused of anti-Semitism?

Can you provide any details?

[stevenleser]

194. Whether she provides the details or not I believe her, it happened to me

And I provided details above.

[oberliner]

201. No lack of belief on my part

Just wanted to know more about it.

[murielm99]

330. All right.

I K&Red an OP that had an article critical of Bernie. Apparently, there was a word in the post, in Yiddish, that I did not know could be interpreted as a racial slur. I don't remember the word.

I stood by my recommendation of the article and the post. The same person accused me, in more than one post, of being anti-Semitic, and demanded that I rescind my recommendation. I refused to be bullied by this person, who has a history of bullying.

I would do it again. I don't speak Yiddish, but the article criticizing Bernie was valid.

I won't call out the person who has bullied me and others again and again on DU. I have her on ignore.

That is all I am going to say about this. Accept it or don't accept it. I became very tired of being followed and alert stalked by this person.

[lapucelle]

83. That's a pretty serious charge to make

especially if one is "totally hazy on the details and...might be way off base".

[brush]

31. Pls don't just believe an accusation like that with no documentation

I know Bravenak was continuously alert stalked here on DU.

I don't remember any anti-Semitism claims.

[Susan Calvin]

85. It was real.

Posted elsewhere, apologized for here.

I chose to believe it was heat of the moment and a lesson was learned. Hope so.

If you're reading, hey brave.

[treestar]

215. True. IMO it is disingenuous to

hang onto it forever and refuse to forgive it forever and keep using it against the person forever.

[RobinA]

122. Well, She Was To Some

continuously offensive. I doubt she wins many converts.

[brush]

139. She wasn't continually offensive to many here. She was alert stalked here though...

and harassed offline even.

[Eliot Rosewater]

285. And for one reason and one reason only, she was critical of Bernie Sanders.

[brush]

325. Exactly, the sainted one.

[sheshe2]

413. Yes.

[progressoid]

168. It's documented.

[kcr]

176. Certified internet documentation. Wow!

Too bad folks who throw this accusation never show that in context. It makes it clear she's sarcastically referring to very horrible posts made on another site that is nothing like DU.

[progressoid]

220. Sure.

It's that kind of "sarcasm" that got her banned from that other site. And DU.

Of course if it was sarcasm, why did she post this supposedly heartfelt apology? Even she didn't claim it was sarcasm.

[kcr]

231. She didn't get banned from DU

And I don't know why you expect me to speak for someone else. But I know I probably would have done the same thing. I'm not the type of person who only apologizes if I feel I did something wrong because only my intentions matter and to hell with what anyone else thinks. I also apologize if something I did hurt another, even if it wasn't my intention.

[progressoid]

233. I don't expect you to speak for her.

If she hadn't been 'flagged for review' (sorry, I mistakenly used the term 'banned'), she could speak for herself here. Unfortunately for her, DU has community standards. Luckily for her, on Twitter she can be as belligerent as she wants to and not have to apologize.

[kcr]

268. Yep, she could. It's a shame she can't.

DU's jury system, particularly the one in place during the primaries before Skinner made some much needed changes, encourages bullying. It's fine if you're the kind of person who can brush it off. But it's too bad we have to lose good members because of it.

[betsuni]

179. "It's documented."

So serious, a one-off comment, The Comment That Changed The World.

[progressoid]

225. One-off?

Yeah, that must be why she repeatedly kept getting hides and suspensions as well.

[RobinA]

120. I Figured

she slunk away after screaming at anyone worried that Trump might win the election for being a concern troll. Days before the election. And how did THAT work out?

[lunamagica]

134. Well, you were wrong. She didn't "slunk away"

[treestar]

211. I doubt that is a fair characterization

Probably exaggerated. Bravenak just doesn't like Bernie.

[brush]

30. Wait a minute. I don't remember any anti-Semitism from Bravenak. You'd better back that up...

with facts.

I know she was alert stalked heer repeatedly, and even offline.

[Nevernose]

32. Google it.

I just did, because I only half-remembered the drama. Turns out there's all that and more. I guess good people say stupid shit sometimes.

[Amimnoch]

39. Saw some accusations on there, but no proof at all.

You know, it's generally good form to back up assertions you make yourself.
Pretty poor form to make the assertion, then tell the recipient to look up the evidence of your own assertion.

I definitely saw some strongly worded anti-Bernie postings there, but nothing that was anti-sematic. At least on the first 2 pages of results.

[kcr]

147. There is no proof because it's bullshit.

She was a major target of the Bernie crowd here.

[tonedevil]

46. You can start...

here https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=152392

[jalan48]

67. Interesting. I just checked Front Page out-it's an extreme right wing site.

[fleabiscuit]

153. There's noting by brav there. nt

[LeftInTX]

54. She was active on DU until April or so

I think she is very busy on twitter

[Nevernose]

56. She is, I was incorrect about "booting"

And I read her tweets. Could not agree more about Susan Sarandon.

[mcar]

92. She is FFR

Many DUers were accused of antisemitism in those days.

The vast majority of her posts were an attempt to express the AA POV during the primaries/general. It wasn't taken well by some. There was a good bit of what some might call alert stalking of AA DUers, some of it by those who mocked HRC voters as "vagina voters."

We lost a lot of valuable voices then.

[Nevernose]

125. I've been here since the beginning.

And I legitimately don't know what FFR means.

These primaries sucked. They sucked for everyone. They sucked worse than all the other primaries before. I just hope we all realize that, regardless of all shit talk, we come together before 2018.

Does anyone who's truly devoted, who truly LOVES, either Hillary or Bernie, think they give a shit about feelings? They're politicians, the both of them. Not angels, not demons. Just people like the rest of us with a job to do. Our hurt feelings our making their jobs more difficult.

/endrant

[stevenleser]

128. FFR is Flagged For Review meaning Unable to post for as long as the admins feel you deserve

You haven't been booted off the site and you could be reinstated at any time, but you have been difficult enough in terms of how the admins see it that you deserve a lengthy timeout.

[joshcryer]

163. It is also an automated thing when you get a few hides in a row.

She told like 4-5 DUer's to "fuck off" and of course the jury hid her comments, so she was put into that status automatically. I doubt she's attempted to come back here given how the site handled the racists that were rampant at the time.

[redgreenandblue]

175. She was flagged, given amnesty after people whined to the admins, then flagged again

under the new, anonymous system.

I find it to be very telling that, for the most part, the same people who claimed about unfair treatment by the jury system were booted again after being given a second chance and after the system was modified. Kind of lays the initial claims about unfair treatment to rest.

[bettyellen]

258. That's because she was alert stalked. Lots of us were.

[stevenleser]

259. And many of us continue to be alert stalked. Even though we are the recipients of the nasty

and ad-hominem posts.

[stevenleser]

270. I have had three posts that were hidden overturned by admins because the alerts were unfounded.

And that was just in the last two months.

That is alert stalking.

[Ninsianna]

403. Nope. Apparently it's just 5 hidden posts and one becomes FFR

and then that's it. (As it was explained to me.)

That's the problem with alert stalkers, they easily silence people if they can manage to hide posts through swarming. It happens on twitter too.

Did you ever consider that people are upset because they're being alert stalked by many who choose to be hostile, abusive and uncivil simply because they disagree?

Even perfectly civil posts that they simply don't like, which don't violate any rules, are hidden, while blatant attacks are left up.

Says a little something.

[Ninsianna]

418. I was otherwise occupied during the primaries.

I think we're still seeing a great many people who are still dueling it out.

To the point that if they identify you as not one of them, they will bring on the hostility no matter what you're saying.

[melman]

274. Okay

So what does that say about hides they don't overturn?

I mean if they are so willing to overturn unfair hides, then the ones that remain must have been deemed legitimate.

[stevenleser]

438. Nope, that is not true. I believe Skinner has said as much

Skinner and EarlG seem to use a very rigid criteria in terms of what they will overturn. It has to be so completely clear that the post did not violate the rule that it is impossible by any standard to think that it did. No mitigating circumstances are allowed.

So if a hide was overturned, it was an egregious abuse of the alert system.

But that doesn’t mean a non-overturned hide was a legitimate hide.

[pintobean]

273. I think you were just proven wrong.

[stevenleser]

306. See post #266 above. If I say anything more than that it's technically alertable. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

288. That is an absolute fact.

[melman]

263. No it's not

It's because she was extremely hostile and abusive pretty much constantly.

[bettyellen]

264. She was definitely alert staked, a lot of POC and feminists have been subjected to alert stalking

As well as those who unapologetically support Dems. The last 3-4 alerts I got were complete bullshit and the admins agreed. Always the same threads.

[Eliot Rosewater]

290. Unconditional support of the Democratic Party can get you in big trouble around here

A wise person would never unconditionally support a political party

UNLESS

the times called for it. Which they do.

[melman]

294. No it can't

No matter how many times you say that it's just not true.

[KTM]

276. Yep - and banned at Kos as well.

Not a fan.

[Rob H.]

424. And banned from Reddit

I didn't even know it was possible to get banned from there.

[all american girl]

308. Yep she was, if you think hostile was supporting Hillary

in the same loud and in your face that bernie supporters were doing. The problem was, back in the day, just saying that Hillary was awesome could get you alerted on. It was so out of control...and wow, if you tried to push back on lies, well, that post was gone. Many of us backed down and hung out in the Hillary group...but not our queen Bravenak, she wouldn't be quiet and that pissed many off. I have to admit, there are many people here who gave me the confidence to push back during the bleak time...they were all so wonderful.

[betsuni]

394. +1

[sheshe2]

415. +++

[joshcryer]

161. She apologized for those comments.

It was following that the alert stalking and harassment that she blew up against other DUers that she got blocked. Every time she posted somewhere someone would pull those anti-Semitic screenshots to shut her down despite her apology. She then went on a tirade from the harassment and told DUers to fuck off repeatedly and got 4-5 hides in a row in quick order, this automatically put her in "Flagged for review" status.

Actually, she was almost permanently timed out for a long time and most of her hides were totally unjust alert stalking (people deliberately logging in late at night to serve on a jury to hide her posts).

Skinner even had to address it in the primaries, giving an amnesty to posters over their unjust hides: https://demu.gr/10135098

[redgreenandblue]

173. Her apology would have been credible had she stopped smearing Bernie.

She went from hating Bernie for being Jewish to just hating him. How convenient...

[kcr]

178. And there's the agenda. n/t

[betsuni]

180. Bernie, Bernie, Bernie!

[stevenleser]

195. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other but its telling that you link the two

It shows the agenda is not religiocentrism or bigotry but intraparty politics.

Thank you for making that clear.

[redgreenandblue]

196. If a person who made racist statements against Obama decided to denounce racism but

went right back to speaking out against Obama a week later, for "purely unrelated reasons", I'm sure people would find that very credible...

[R B Garr]

203. You are making clear she was targeted because of Bernie.

It's already been made clear that her comments were not the reason. They were used as a way to provoke and harass her.

[redgreenandblue]

204. She made it clear that her activities on DU were intended to generate negative responses.

The technical term for that is "trolling".

[R B Garr]

206. I read the same thing and didn't see it that way. I saw

her being backed into a corner with comments meant to provoke her for the sin of not supporting Bernie. I read her initial support of him and how that deteriorated by the attacks on her. She was a bit undecided at first, and initiated discussions.

[all american girl]

311. You know, it was OK to not like bernie. She had every right to

voice her support for any candidate she wanted, just like you. She also, like all of us, had every right to be firm and loud about her support. I don't understand how that is trolling. And man, the were a lot of bernie supporters who were also doing the same...it was just awful here at that time...but time has moved on

[treestar]

217. OH please

Seriously? She can never criticize Bernie again or her apology is no good? Quit holding a grudge. It does not look that good.

[progressoid]

228. Well, there's a bit of irony.

Have you seen her twitter feed? It's a prime example of someone holding a grudge(s).

[treestar]

229. Bravenak is more of a person in our lives

Bernie is just a politician.

[progressoid]

234. YMMV

[all american girl]

309. So she wasn't allowed to not like bernie? No sure I get the "how convenient"

She's always been very clear how she went from hating Hillary and liking bernie, to hating bernie and would fight tooth and nail for Hillary.

[Cary]

13. Love her!

Go Queen Bravenak!

[ismnotwasm]

14. I love her shes my favorite follow.

But she is no longer a DU member, I’m thinking she’d want me to correct the record

[sheshe2]

15. I love bravenak.

She is a warrior for justice. Appreciation thread I did for her...2016

https://www.democraticunderground.com/118748037#top

Thanks so much for your Op, Amimnoch.

[BainsBane]

17. I love that top image

It's beautiful.

[sheshe2]

20. I happened upon it.

It is bravenak to a tee. Yes. It is beautiful.

[Sancho]

59. Thanks...

[sheshe2]

72. Hey!

Luv ya~

[calimary]

75. Still love you, bravenak! Wherever you are!

How cool that she's giving Susan Sarandon hell. Give her some for ME too, bravenak!

[sheshe2]

89. Tee hee...

The Queen rocks!

[JHan]

208. Wow.....It got that bad ?

Geez

[bettyellen]

19. Love her. She's not perfect, but none of us are.

[Skidmore]

22. Love her!

She cares for people and truth.

[catbyte]

26. I don't think I've ever been as disappointed in a "liberal" woman as I am in Sarandon.

It's gotten to the point where I can't even stand to watch her in anything aymore which pisses me off because "Bull Duram" was one of my favorite go-to movies on a cold, snowy winter day.

[Eliot Rosewater]

291. Her (Sarandon) sentiments are very popular among many, but many of the many will not admit it

in certain circles.

[leftofcool]

27. Bravenak rocks

She can lay it all out on Twitter without fear of being banned or having a post alerted on

[Lil Missy]

28. Looks like a pissing contest to me.

[NastyRiffraff]

36. I miss Bravenak

She was an important voice here.

[all american girl]

40. Our queen rocks!!!!!!!

[Historic NY]

43. She's on my twitter feed.....

[riversedge]

252. Mine also. I have seen some horrible comments directed at her from 'people'!!

[ismnotwasm]

44. Some of the worst comments to Bravenak arent in the article

Overtly redneck-of-the-left racist bullshit. Scratch a Sarandon or a Stein fan—smell the “I’m not a racist but” aroma

[brer cat]

51. She is genuine and fearless.

I love her and I miss her terribly.

[shenmue]

58. Bravenak rules

[Starry Messenger]

60. I miss her and others who were silenced here.

I stay more on twitter now.

[Susan Calvin]

91. I probably should get out of my rut

And try that. Suggestions appreciated.

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[bettyellen]

241. Susan, there was a thread a while back where DUers shared their user names ....

And you could start w a few favorite politicians and pick up a lot of extra people to follow from their commenters. If you PM me, I can send my name and you can check out my list, which is 95% political. Writers, activists and politicans.

[Susan Calvin]

256. Thanks!

Now I just gotta get a Twitter account....!

[bettyellen]

257. Easy- but recommend using a "throwaway" email account for privacy.

[stevenleser]

265. Just like here, my username is complicated...

[Oneironaut]

61. I love it when ass barnacles need marching orders from their master on who to attack next. It's sad.

"If I say mean things to someone who attacked her, maybe she'll notice me! She'll retweet my comments, and my life will be validated! There's nothing more brave than piling on a random Twitter user that insulted my master. Such courage! Pay attention to meee!"

[LeftInTX]

62. Love Bravenak

Miss her here, but she is out slaying dragons!

[OKNancy]

69. Me too.

[R B Garr]

63. Bravenak really had things pegged. I've got to hand it to her.

Too bad certain fans didn't listen to her. Love her giving Susan the business.

[tonedevil]

66. I understand the...

David and Goliath dynamic, but isn't a picture made of 9 images of Ms. Sarandon that each say some variation on fuck her captioned with I forgot to say fuck you Susan Sarandon kind of intense? Apparently Bravenak didn't think Ms. Sarandon would pay attention to her yelling fuck you over and over in public. Apparently she did pay attention.

[OKNancy]

68. She made the nine block graphic with 9 different people

each with various "fuck you" -type text. A lot of twitter folks tweeted " you for got Susan Sarandon, so fo a joke she did the 9 panels with only Sarandon.

She has found her home on twitter. She is fantastic there.

[tonedevil]

73. Does that make it less intense? /nt

[mcar]

100. And the problem with "kind of intense" is?

Bravenak has the right to be as intense as she chooses to be. What is the problem with intensely criticizing someone as shallow as Sarandon? Isnshe somehow exempt from criticism? Are there intensity rules?

[tonedevil]

255. If you came across...

a Tweet with your image repeated 9 times each one saying some form of fuck you and then in the text was one more fuck you directed at you how would you react? That is why I mentioned that the Tweet from Bravenak was intense.

[all american girl]

152. Damn, maybe SS should get off twitter if she can't handle shit like that...

I guess she can dish it out by calling women voters "vagina voters," but nine pics of her with fuck you is just too much for her...

[betsuni]

183. +1

[DonCoquixote]

71. the attack on bravenak done here

was one of the low points in DU history. Full Stop.

[Susan Calvin]

93. True.

7

[SunSeeker]

166. Yep. nt

[happy feet]

182. True

[still_one]

76. Let me preface this by saying I happen to be Jewish, and I do not believe Bravenak is anti semitic

A little background is necessary to understand a true picture of what was happening when this occurred.

Things at DU were as ugly as I have ever seen it in 2016. Emotions and words where exchanged where people said a lot of hurtful and ugly things to each other.

People were harassing each other, alert stalking, and in the emotionally charged environment, a lot of stupid things were said

The comments that are being referred to by Bravenak that caused the uproar was made on another site. The following link presents the excerpt to those comments:

https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60165323#comment_60165323

Bravenak came out on DU and apologized for those comments. Some here accepted that apology, some didn't.

I believe her apology was sincere, and I sure am proud of her not letting the Susan Sarandon insanity stand unchallenged

[Susan Calvin]

94. Thank you. nt

[sheshe2]

95. still_one

As always you are articulate and wise.

[mcar]

102. Well said, still_one

People make mistakes. She owned up to hers.

I don't get the school of thought that some people are never to be forgiven, even when they apologize.

[stevenleser]

118. Yep, you and I and every other Jewish person on DU I know accepted her apology.

The only folks still running with the antisemitism accusation are non-Jews trying to settle scores from the primary.

[Eliot Rosewater]

292. Now isnt that strange! Not really, but well.

[herding cats]

137. I remember that.

She messed up, she owned it and apologized. I also believe her apology was sincere and I think she learned from her angry outburst.

Her tweet about Sarandon was a thing of beauty, that it somehow made it to Sarandon's eyes (she didn't @ Sarandon in the original tweet) and led to Sarandon actually replying, shows that Bravenak has become a strong force on Twitter. I'm proud of her, too. She's found the right platform for her voice and she's using it to its fullest potential.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

79. Haven't seen Bravenak here in a while

I follow her on Twitter where she's actively dogging Sanders supporters.

[Susan Calvin]

99. Mmmm, well....

I'm a Sanders supporter, still, but I'd still listen to brave.

(She was as well, at one time. To my recollection, what changed her mind was a lot of supporter, or maybe troll, stupidity. And maybe some Bernie blind spots. I recall discussing it, but not the details.)

[JHan]

82. She snatched Susan's edges, it was fabulous.

(Glad to see this in GD )

[Bigredhunk]

86. -

Always blows my mind to hear Sarandon doing voiceovers for Tylenol (Johnson & Johnson) & L'oreal products. You'd think these huge conglomerates wouldn't meet her standard of purity.

[mcar]

87. Love Bravenak!

I miss her voice here. She was not treated well by some on this board.

[Demsrule86]

90. I miss her too.

[Quayblue]

97. K&R

[SunSeeker]

103. Put me in the "Love Her" column!

[berni_mccoy]

107. For those cheering for Bravenak, you should read this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=152392

[stevenleser]

111. Still_one already posted a link to that in #76 above. nt

[berni_mccoy]

114. Good. People should be made aware of it as much as possible.

[stevenleser]

115. Every Jewish person on DU is aware of it. 99% of us accepted her apology.

It's non-Jews that are pushing the antisemitism accusation.

That should tell anyone all they need to know.

[all american girl]

312. You're kind of all over this thread doing this...what's up with that?

[berni_mccoy]

370. Bravenak was a disruptor and deserves no respect here

She spewed divisiveness and RW talking points in addition to antisemitism. To top it off she fakes a charge of harassment with a fake RL letter that was easily debunked. She is no hero for the left.

[melman]

373. Agreed

On all points.

[all american girl]

375. Well, to be perfectly honest, there were butt loads of right wing talking points

spewed here about Hillary. Hell, right wing media was posted so much, I had no idea if I was at Brietbart or Fox News....I know that she's has apologized a great deal about the antisemitism, and I believe her. I'm not Jewish, but I will defer to those who have posted here that they accept her apology, since they are Jewish. I've never heard how the harassment was debunk, so if you have a link, that you be helpful.

You may not like her, but many of us do, and that's just our opinion, like you have yours.

[ismnotwasm]

112. People jumping on this thread to impunge Bravenaks character

Really should find another hobby. The point of the post is the racism that is being directed towards her by the defenders of Susan Sarandon—a woman who can go fuck herself—who are ostensibly on the left. Not only is this “not okay”, it’s deeply abhorrent to anyone who believes in racial justice and racial equality.

[mcar]

119. Odd how some people can never be forgiven for any mistake

Ever. Others are forgiven without thought. I recall that HRC had things held against her, votes for example. Yet her male Democratic counterparts never got even taken to task for the same votes.

What could it be, do you suppose?

[stevenleser]

123. And it's all non-Jews who fought with her in the primaries making the accusation now

I guarantee you no Jews on DU are fooled by this.

Yes, we all were hurt by what Bravenak said, but everyone of us that I know of accepted her apology and moved on.

[mcar]

124. I tend to forgive people who apologize for mistakes

Especially when you know what was done is out of character.

I agree with you, I believe our Jewish DUers should have most say in such an issue.

[arthritisR_US]

127. +1000!

[arthritisR_US]

126. Bravenak is one of my Twitter buddies, she's fearless and so

fecking great!

[MrScorpio]

129. Bravenak thanks all of you for the love btw

Make sure to wave hi.

[Amimnoch]

282. Hey Bravenak!!!

[greatauntoftriplets]

130. Bravenak is a marvelous woman.

I miss her lots.

[CaptainTruth]

133. Wait, is Bravenak gone from DU?

I'm on DU at least 10-12 times a day, but I mainly just read news. I follow Bravenak on Twitter, & she makes me think.

[Bradical79]

262. Flagged For Review

Basically suspended for as long as the admins want. During the primaries she thought Bernie supporters were being racist, and made some vile comments of her own in response. Appologised, though I'm not sure if this was the only thing that triggered the FFR or not.

[betsuni]

141. Love her!

[JI7]

143. I wonder if Susan Sarandon is Cheering on the Puerto Rico disaster and hoping for a Revolution

[ucrdem]

150. Doesn't she run a sweatshop somewhere?

She's probably wondering who she can find to sew her tacky togs together ...

[leftofcool]

158. Boom!

[Jim Lane]

184. Several posts in this thread scold people for unsupported allegations

Doubtless, all those people who fiercely attacked anyone saying anything negative about bravenak, without backing it up, will be along any minute now to attack you with equal ferocity for your unsupported smear of Sarandon.

Any minute now....

[betsuni]

200. "unsupported smear of Sarandon"

[Jim Lane]

250. Perhaps you could stop laughing long enough to provide some actual support?

There was on this thread a charge that Sarandon "runs a sweatshop somewhere". There was no support for that charge. At this point, it's an unsupported smear.

"Susan Sarandon supported Jill Stein and that was a mistake" is true. "Therefore, she runs a sweatshop somewhere" may make Sarandon-haters happy but, to put it charitably, the conclusion does not follow from the premise.

[betsuni]

346. "unsupported smear": LOL LOL LOL. The irony!

[lapucelle]

302. "Unsupported smear of Susan Sarandon" ?

Susan Sarandon endorsed Stein, campaigned with her, and raised funds for her. She smeared herself.

[Jim Lane]

310. What the HELL is it with reading comprehension on this board?

I said she endorsed Stein. I agreed with you that that was a mistake.

The actual topic, however, was the charge about a sweatshop.

One possibility is that nobody bothers to read closely enough. "There's a post here that defends Sarandon in some context, I don't like Sarandon, so I'll just lash out in response."

That's a depressing possibility but it's actually the more charitable explanation. The alternative is: "I don't like Sarandon so when it comes to her I don't give a flying fuck about the facts. Statements that make Sarandon look bad are cool with me, even if they happen to be outright lies."

Call me old-fashioned, but I still value my membership in what the Republicans disparagingly called "the reality-based community." We prioritize truth over political expedience.

[lapucelle]

314. This is what I responded to:

"Several posts in this thread scold people for unsupported allegations

Doubtless, all those people who fiercely attacked anyone saying anything negative about bravenak, without backing it up, will be along any minute now to attack you with equal ferocity for your unsupported smear of Sarandon.

Any minute now.."

Call me old fashioned, but I think that if you're going to fault someone for not having read a post, the words that you fault them for not having read should at the very least appear in the post.

[Jim Lane]

319. I'm surprised you couldn't follow the connection. It's not complicated.

Post #150: Smear about Sarandon/sweatshop. Absolutely no support provided.
Post #184: I responded to #150. I pointed out that it was an "unsupported smear of Sarandon." I didn't quote the language because, as is evident on the face of my post, I was responding to #150, so it was pretty obvious that my "smear" characterization referred to that post. (Protip: On DU, for any post that's not an OP, you can look in the upper-right-hand corner and see which post is being answered.)
Post #302: You repeated my phrase "unsupported smear of Sarandon" but you followed it with a question mark, and then tossed in something about her actions in the 2016 campaign -- actions that have nothing to do with the "sweatshop" smear.

I hope that clarifies the matter for you.

[lapucelle]

345. I'm sure that reconstructing the defense

of a third party surrogate whose work was so successful in putting G W Bush in the White House in 2000 that she opted for a repeat performance in 2016 is a worthy, if not noble endeavor.

[Jim Lane]

348. Your attitude is common on DU. It is also utterly despicable.

You and I disagree with Sarandon's support of the Green Party.

The difference between us is that you take that disagreement as a license to lie about Sarandon and/or to cheer on the lies about her. When I point out such a lie, and say that it is a lie, you upbraid me for my "defense" (on one point) of someone with whom you disagree (on another point).

Just about everyone on DU is against the telling of politically convenient lies when the liar is Donald Trump. It is deeply embarrassing, to me as a Democrat, that so many Democrats do not see that maxim as universalizable.

[lapucelle]

378. It's reassuring that Democrats react to SS with the approbation

that she so richly deserves.

I neither lied about SS nor cheered on lies about her. I’m sure that investing time and effort into fully comprehending the injustices perpetrated on a wealthy, privileged, cashmere-wearing third party surrogate who worked tirelessly to keep a Democrat out of the White House in two different elections is a worthy (if not noble) endeavor for some.

[ucrdem]

381. thanks lapucelle ... SS is neither a Democrat nor a member of this board.

She's also a useful idiot who can be counted on to use her long-faded star to help Democrats lose elections. Coincidentally, she appears to be rich enough to need a tax write-off vanity business for an undetermined source of wealth. It ain't ping pong.

hmmm . . .

[melman]

384. If her star is long-faded

How does she have such great power and influence? Hint: she doesn't.

[ucrdem]

386. Yes, one wonders about all those TV bookings.

The same might be asked of others, too: why do they get so much media attention?

[melman]

388. Sarandon is an easy scapegoat

Sad that so many seem to need one. But there we are.

[ucrdem]

395. Goes with the territory. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

397. Yeah, I never got an answer for that question.

Hillary had literally hundreds of celebrity endorsements. How did this one "faded star" bring down HRC?

[George II]

383. You're calling someone's attitude here on DU "despicable"?

[ehrnst]

400. How did Lapucelle lie about Sarandon?

Not seeing that at all.

[NanceGreggs]

401. Oh, the irony!

A member of JPR complaining about people telling lies about someone they disagree with politically.



Any word yet on how Hillary overcame the dozen or so diseases she was dying of during the campaign? What about how the Clinton Foundation was under investigation for laundering money - how's that going? And PizzaGate - any indictments yet? What about Hillary having a computer hidden in her podium during her debates with Sanders - ya know, the one she was using to be fed answers from offstage, because she was too mentally incompetent to remember anything without assistance?

That entire site is based on lies that its members can't wait to cheer and spread around - and no doubt the Russians thank you for doing so.

[lapucelle]

405. ...

[all american girl]

313. Here's an unsupported smear from Sarandon

"VAGINA VOTERS" Yep, she had no problem smearing millions of women that we only voted for the girly bits...not that we researched, but poor susan's fee, I guess...

[Jim Lane]

317. An interesting response.

First, if you say it's an unsupported smear, does that mean you're saying that no one voted for Clinton because they responded to her gender-based entreaties? My recollection of the campaign is consistent with this piece in the New Republic: "In the 2016 campaign, Clinton explicitly made it clear that one of the purposes of her run was to break the biggest glass ceiling in American life." In one notable example, Madeleine Albright said at a rally that "there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other." Clinton didn't exactly disavow that comment. She broke into a huge grin and applauded enthusiastically.

I don't know exactly what Sarandon said. If she said or implied that every woman supporting Clinton was a vagina voter, she was clearly wrong. If she said that the Clinton campaign was, among other tactics, appealing to women as women, she was clearly right. If she said that at least some women did respond to that approach, we can never know for sure, but I think it likely that she was right (just as I think it likely that some people voted against Clinton because of her gender).

Now, why is it that I don't know exactly what Sarandon said? It's because i don't care. It's completely irrelevant to the point I did address, namely this mythical sweatshop. Which brings me to the more important point...

Second, let's assume for the sake of the argument that Sarandon made an unsupported smear -- if not this one, then about something or other. You're raising that in a subthread about the "sweatshop" charge. That connection is troubling. Are you saying that, if someone makes an unsupported smear about someone else, then it's OK for you to make an unsupported smear about the the first person? "But, Mom, she started it"?

Put another way, that reasoning seems to say that, faced with a controversial allegation, you ask yourself, "What would Susan Sarandon do?" It's an odd choice of role model for someone who simultaneously criticizes Sarandon.

For my part, I don't even condone unsupported smears about Donald Trump, even though he's obviously a far less truthful person than Susan Sarandon.

[all american girl]

321. On the campaign trail she said many, many times

I'm not a vagina voter, I'm voting for bernie. To me, that states she believes that women who where supporting Hillary were doing so because we have the same girly bits. I'm sure there were some women who put her higher up because she was a woman, but I am also sure they knew her record, and or looked her record up. See, here is the deal, we dem women don't just vote for women, otherwise McCain would have won. We, like men dems, do research to find the best candidate. The suggest otherwise is insulting to us. She also came out in support for Stein (her right), thought the revolution would happen under Trump (putting so many lives in danger, that she didn't seem to care about), and said Hillary was just like Trump (are you fucking kidding me).

I'm saying is that shit gets put out on social media. People make funny memes, ugly memes, sweet memes, etc. This is one persons opinion about a person who was a spokesperson for bernie out on the campaign trail. She was speaking for him, to his supporters, and when bernie lost, she got more ugly about Hillary. There were many, and I mean many, who were offended me her "joke," her comparison of Hillary and Trump, and her disregard for those not straight, white and rich. So bravenak made a meme about SS, expressing her dislike for SS. You may feel it's "out of line," but many of feel the exact same way...Fuck Off Susan Sarandon. And it's anyones right to express their anger about a person who disregarded the shit that happened.

And I have not opinion or information about the sweatshop claim, but just putting it out there that SS had no problem thinking it was OK to smear women on things she had no idea about...and she wasn't doing it on a forum on the internet in a subthread, she went all over the country doing it.

Hope I explained myself better. And, man, I'm having some serious issues with typing, so please ignore any mistakes that I've made...and I've had nothing to drink...how sad...

[George II]

422. Miss this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/i-dont-vote-with-my-vagina-why-susan-sarandon-is-not-backing-hil1/

[ucrdem]

324. Here's the skinny: she runs a chain of high-end dives that sell her merch at the door

A mini-store by the entrance sells Spin merchandise, like a pair of sneakers from Vans and a paddle set by UBIQ.

https://philly.eater.com/2017/9/11/16288756/spin-ping-pong-bar-restaurant-philadelphia#0

Not a full-on WalMart maybe but tacky enough to make your defense of her virtue look ridic.

[sheshe2]

328. What the hell is

scratch and sniff wallpaper

from your link...frightening, ucrdem.

and that red room................... yikes!

Thanks for the link.

[ucrdem]

331. Where forever thirty-somethings go to relive the seventies?

I doesn't look like those ping-pong tables get much use but they do summon memories of Nixon in China . . .



p.s. heya sheshe!

[sheshe2]

336. ....scratch and sniff wall paper...

...the seventies...ya mean they go to sniff pot that permeated the wallpaper and not inhale? Lol~

heya urcdem!

[ucrdem]

337. One actually wrote: "Huerta is a traitor to the Democratic Party. By ignoring Bernie,

she exposed herself as an hypocrite and not a real activist. Sorry."

https://thedailybanter.com/2017/09/susan-sarandon-sics-her-twitter-bullies/




That's some powerful scratch'n'sniff!!


p.s.

[sheshe2]

339. Here is Huerta.

[ucrdem]

343. Awesome. Yet to SS she was just an irritating Hillbot.

Sad isn't it.

[sheshe2]

380. SS isn't fit to be in the same room with her.

[ucrdem]

382. Seriously.

Her sole claim to fame seems to be her reliable usefulness in helping repukes win elections. Which is not exactly a praiseworthy contribution.

[betsuni]

332. +1

[Jim Lane]

344. So much fail in one post

If I may yet again return to what I actually wrote, I posted that the "sweatshop" charge was a smear. What I now learn (which I admit I hadn't known before) is that Susan Sarandon co-founded a company that operates ping pong parlors in several cities, where a visitor can also buy various game-related merchandise like sneakers or paddles.

If you want to call such merchandise sales "tacky", that's your privilege, but I actually played ping pong in my youth. I wore sneakers and used a paddle. That a ping pong parlor sells ping pong equipment doesn't cause me to faint from surprise. Presumably some 1%ers would dismiss the whole sport, and anything connected with it, as tacky -- but for those of us who've never belonged to a country club, there's value in recreation that doesn't require expensive equipment or acres of land. I can only imagine the invective that some DUers would be heaping on Sarandon if she had instead become involved in yacht racing.

Now, putting aside this interesting digression into table tennis, let's note the two important points:

1. That Sarandon is involved with a business that sells merchandise does not prove, indeed does not come close to proving, that she operates a sweatshop. Yes, the merchandise has to be made somewhere. During the run-up to the 2016 general election, the Hillary Clinton campaign website was selling various "I'm with H>er" swag. I myself owned and wore a Clinton/Kaine lapel button. What would happen if, on the basis of that evidence, some dimwit posted on DU that Hillary Clinton had operated a sweatshop? You know and I know what would happen to that post (and deservedly so).

2. You refer to my "defense of her virtue". This is more reading comprehension fail. Sarandon has been faulted for supporting Stein, and I agree with that criticism. The facts are clear that she did so. Sarandon has also been faulted for allegedly operating a sweatshop. I disagree with that criticism because, as far as any evidence produced in this thread goes, the charge is total bullshit, i.e. an unsupported smear. See, the tricky point is that it's possible for one criticism of Sarandon to be valid while another is invalid. This silly phrase "defense of her virtue" tries to blur that distinction. If I defend Sarandon against one bullshit charge, that has nothing to do with the charges that supporting Stein was a mistake or that involvement with a downmarket sport like ping pong is tacky.

[BannonsLiver]

356. Super invested in defending not only Susie but making sure poor Donnie gets a fair shake too.

What an interesting endeavor.

[Jim Lane]

364. You can add Ted Cruz to your list.

I had worked on the Wikipedia bio of birther queen Orly Taitz. (She didn't like my edits and denounced me, by name, as a "Marxist thug" on her home page.) One result was that I became somewhat knowledgeable about the natural-born citizen clause.

Thereafter, when the birtherism of the left asserted that Ted Cruz was ineligible to be President, I posted explanations of why he was eligible.

"Super invested in defending" the truth? Well, I don't know if I qualify as super invested -- I don't try to refute every falsehood on DU -- but thanks for the compliment!

[betsuni]

357. "I actually played ping pong in my youth. I wore sneakers and used a paddle."

[ucrdem]

363. Let them eat ping pong

[betsuni]

399. Suddenly, rich elite capitalists who pal around with giant corporations are perfectly fine!

As long as you aren't a Democrat, I guess.

[lapucelle]

412. Ping Pong at prices only the 1% can afford.

Pricing
WALK-IN OFF-PEAK: $19 PER HALF HOUR // $29 PER HOUR
WALK-IN PEAK: $29 PER HALF HOUR // $49 PER HOUR
ADVANCED RESERVATION: $79 PER HOUR

http://newyork.wearespin.com/media/swag/

[ucrdem]

362. Marie Antoinette kept a working farm at Versailles

called Hameau de la Reine. No one was fooled.

[lapucelle]

411. It's a movement!

"SPiN’s ping pong domination is spreading across the globe.
Join the movement."

http://wearespin.com/join-the-team/

[ucrdem]

455. and what a big one . . .

[ucrdem]

145. Holy sh#t. Give 'em hell, Bravenak!

[aikoaiko]

148. Well I remember when Bravenak was open and interested in Jill Stein, too.

I'm fond of bravenak because she genuinely cared about people - all people.

She cared a lot about women and people of color but she also cared a lot about white people and wanted us to care more about her.

She tried really hard to help white men like me to understand her.

But her frustration seemed to turned to anger and contempt. Fuck you memes is about what I would expect of her.

[fleabiscuit]

154. You push she will push back. What you make of the response is reconciled in one's own head. nt.

[leftofcool]

155. I think she had all the Hillary bashing she could stand

I know I had all I could stand which is why most of us have moved to either private forums or Twitter. You can bash Hillary on Twitter but we can respond there and don't have to be nice about it.

[fleabiscuit]

156. Don't feel like I can do a lot, but I try to have her back. nt

[kcr]

157. I'm glad I followed her on Twitter

Her absence here is shameful for DU.

[betsuni]

159. +1

[leftofcool]

162. +1

[SunSeeker]

426. +1

[BlancheSplanchnik]

165. That's really cool, Yay Bravenak!

Miss you around here, though.

[Loki Liesmith]

185. Meh

Sarandon's a moron but if someone slags me, I'll punch back whether it's up or down.

And the whole "sicced her followers on x" is a dumb criticism. Sarandon is responsible for her actions and her followers are responsible for their own actions.

[seaglass]

186. I miss Bravenak's voice on DU. n/t

[Hortensis]

187. Fwiw, my impression is that Bravenak is far more interested in expressing

her various passions than where people normally draw the lines. My husband's Jewish and I frowned at that way-over-the-line post but, like others here, I didn't believe it meant she was anti-Semitic. The topic of Jews happened to be dropped into the range of the righteous sword she's always swinging and she went for it. If the word had been Inuit or Samoan, my notion is the result would have been the same.

Like so many, I like Bravenak and like to know she's still swinging away, even if it's elsewhere.

[JustAnotherGen]

188. It takes a Queen

To speak truth to NON Power. I wonder if SS's Twitter Army knows they lost the war? Move onto another target folks - because this one brought you to heel.

[riderinthestorm]

189. Two narcissists slagging each other over 2016. No thanks

Time to move the fuck on.

There's work to do in re-taking our democracy back. I have no patience anymore for keyboard warriors, especially those determined to be divisive.

[JimGinPA]

190. LOL!

When I read this the first thought I had was this post should be a "pinned" OP.

[ismnotwasm]

197. .

[JHan]

209. Lol

[JHan]

210. Thanks for the laugh

[Hortensis]

222. Lol. Have to agree. Anyway, they're both in a more appropriate arena

for what they want to do.

[Raster]

271. Thank you.

[Arazi]

318. Another LOL at anyone admiring this shitfest

Two pathetic attention crazies.

At least one of them happens to have a career and (love her or hate her, a real record of political activism). The other seems to spend her entire life on social media without pause (is this nom de plume a couple of trolls?).

Beyond sad.

Other Democratic Anchorage activists like BlueAK have never met Bravenak even though they live in her small town and they've tried to engage her via caucuses, Dem meetings, rally events etc. She's NEVER walked the talk.

Fuck her

[SMC22307]

435. LOL. DU's little mouth that roared...

and Susan Sarandon.

[snooper2]

219. INTERNET DRAMA LOL

These threads crack me up.....

[ismnotwasm]

226. Hmm people still attacking Bravenek

Instead of racism.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

236. Hmm people still attacking Sarandon

Instead of racism.

[bettyellen]

242. Sarandon was happy to bring on this racist regime to suit her foolish "burn it down" plan....

And it's working out horribly for women and POC.

[ismnotwasm]

254. Sarandon is a public figure

And an racially deaf asshole.

[lapucelle]

307. Attacks on Sarandon are attacks on racism.

She knew who would suffer (and who wouldn't) if Trump were elected. She didn't care.

Sarandon enabled Stein, who enabled Trump, who enabled white supremacists, who beat and killed counter protesters in Charlottesville.

Why anyone on DU is worried about Susan Sarandon, who endorsed, campaigned with, and raised funds for Jill Stein, is frankly puzzling.

[all american girl]

315. Well, susan had no problem bringing the sexism

so there's that.

[sheshe2]

329. Hm

REVOLUTION
Susan Sarandon: Trump Might Be Better for America Than Hillary Clinton
If Bernie Sanders fails to get the Democratic nomination, Susan Sarandon isn’t sure she’ll vote for Hillary Clinton. She even said Monday that Trump could be the better option.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/susan-sarandon-trump-might-be-better-for-america-than-hillary-Clinton

Hm

[JCanete]

239. one public figure talking to another is not harassment.

Dolores Huerta has seen actual harassment. Somebody challenging her statements and her perspective publicly is what public figures can expect and should be perfectly capable of handling. As to the shouting bullshit, I've seen the video 10 times trying to see where that occurs. If somebody would like to post it and tell me what exact second that starts, by all means...

Also, do you have a correlation to some of those comments and Sarandon's retweet? Some are absolutely offensive but at the same time, indicate in no way that those people arrived at Bravenak's tweet through Sarandon's retweet to other activists. Is there something I don't understand about how this works where you can actually make that connection? Is it impossible that any of those people ran into the original tweet? Yes, some obviously come from Sarandon lovers but this writer hasn't bothered to distinguish those obvious ones from the rest. Oh wow...the writer does address this...at the end...an admission that some of those tweets listed may not have any correlation. Fucking A. Why post them then with the suggestion that they did and then wait til the bottom of the page to weasel on it?

Also, if you are tweeting to others and generating Sarandon hate in the public sphere, which is your right...she is a public figure and she has made herself a lightning rod, aren't you wading into that political discourse? Should you be off limits to people tweeting back at you? Are you not making yourself a public figure? Does the article have anything to suggest that Sarandon in any way advocates those offensive comments?

That said, I wish Bravenak well and of course some of those assholes are beyond the pale. I don't see how her feeding this rift between people on the left helps anymore than her opinion of Sarandon's actions does, but I've had some very civil and thought-provoking discussions with her here, and her initial posts, always designed to draw the most responses(and they did that well) were far more inciting than her more reasoned follow-ups.

[stevenleser]

243. There are legal definitions of harassment and stalking. Yes public figures can be harassed and

stalked and they can be harassed and stalked by other public figures.

[JCanete]

244. speaking to somebody in a public place where political activity is occuring, not at her home or

workplace or jumping out at her from a bush, is not harassment or stalking.

[stevenleser]

245. Unless you cite a legal statute, what you say on this doesnt mean anything. nt

[JCanete]

247. oh, I think I misread you. You mean that there is still a legal definition of

harassment that protects public figures from certain action? I have no reason to disagree with that. has that occurred? Do you have something to point to where either Sarandon or Bravenak have engaged in unlawful harassment?

[tonedevil]

249. It isn't happening...

in this instance though.

[Blue_Tires]

260. I'm kinda jealous

I've been trying to start shit with folks for a few years, but never had this level of success...

[romanic]

281. "Queen"

The delusion is real.

[Blue_In_AK]

287. +1

[sheshe2]

334. Queen. We will rock you.

Cool vid.

[redgreenandblue]

293. Says "fuck you" nine times to someone, receives the desired response, whines about being a victim.

Sounds very much like the Bravenak who was booted from DU for pretty much precisely that.

I'm just glad she has taken her trolling elsewhere.

[melman]

296. Exactly

[romanic]

298. Receiving racist abuse is never okay though.

I agree that she is a conniving, narcissist, attention-seeking, delusional nobody with a martyr complex but those memes and responses in the link were disgusting. If Susan did intentionally tell people to send abuse like that, that is extremely shitty on Susan's part.

[romanic]

335. Ah ok.

Sorry the whole Twitter thing never caught fire with me so I have no idea how it even works. lol

[all american girl]

316. No, making a joke for her followers and then having a person with more power

going after her. All the racism and sexism that has been happening to her for the last few days would make me cry...but this is queen Brave and she is laughing and fighting...and her followers are fighting with her.

[BainsBane]

398. to a multimillionaire who worked to ensure Trump became president

Who expressed pleasure that millions were suffering, on the brink of losing their health insurance, and dying all around her because she was entertainment by protests.

And then people who pretended to resent the 1 percent told Bravenak she could be rich like Sarandon too if she weren't so lazy, and that black people would be rich if they worked hard like white people do. At least we are seeing what people really are. No wonder they feel no regrets about putting Trump in office. They share his White Nationalism. And it turns out that for them the real enemy is not the wealthy, corporations, or the system that generations such inequality but the poor and marginalized.

[Me.]

297. WOWEE ZOWEE

This thread is still going on.

[wryter2000]

304. I miss Bravenak!

I'll never watch another of Sarandon's movies. If I tried, I'd only think of this crap.

[cwydro]

305. Funny, I don't see her "going at it" with Sarandon.

Bravenak posted one of her never ending "fuck you" memes, and incurred the wrath of Sarandon's racist followers.

But in no way is bravenak "going at it with Sarandon." Sarandon's supporters are going after bravenak, and from what I understand she is blocking them.

But there is no "mano a mano" here between Sarandon and bravenak.

[ismnotwasm]

323. Oh Bravenek, I love you girl

See these ones, pretending they know you, especially the bitter, oh so bitter, ones with their pitiful I’m-a-mean-but-toothless-chihuahua psychoanalysis?


I’m laughing with you. This is some funny shit.

[sheshe2]

326. Kick!

[ucrdem]

327. The comments after the article are priceless.

Sort of a like a demolition derby between DUers driving complete thoughts collected into multi-paragraph monster trucks and Discussionist types rolling around in badly coordinated single sentence tweets . . .

[lillypaddle]

349. I, for one, love her

[Squinch]

353. Bravenak, if you see this, I miss you!

[Dem2]

354. Lots of alerts in this thread

She appears to be a controversial poster.

[grantcart]

371. How do you know how many alerts there are in this thread?

[Dem2]

431. Was on a jury

Several posts removed.

[lunamagica]

377. Hey Bravenak! Have a great day!

[samnsara]

402. wow!!!!!

[Texasgal]

414. I liked Bravenak

I agreed with most things she said. My only issue was that I was afraid to engage with her. Her posting style is very brash and confrontational.

I wish that had been able to get the nerve up to respond to her agree or disagree. I just maintained silence instead.

[VermontKevin]

432. She and I routinely interact on Twitter. She is always polite. But she does not suffer fools.

As you are not a fool, you will be fine.

[Arazi]

419. Lol, now she's suspended off Twitter. SUSPENDED OFF TWITTER

[egduj]

420. Susan or Bravenak?

I could guess...

[Arazi]

421. Bravenak of course. No surprise for that self admitted troll

[ismnotwasm]

433. Her being suspended is a prime example of white supremacy and privilege.

Period.

[Arazi]

434. Lol, yah banned on here, DKos, reddit, Twitter...all racists eh?

Everyone's a white supremacist?

She's a nutjob narcissist who was caught posting on an alt-right site as well ffs. Who knows how many other places she's been kicked off as a fucking troll. Ima gonna guess that's not the full list - it's just what we know about.

Wallowing in her turdpool will leave a permanent stain imo, and I think site Admins are obviously wary of that toxicity. She obviously doesn't read site rules, then cries "victim" when she's appropriately shut down

[stevenleser]

437. Yep. Im sure a number Sarandons fans alerted on her and

Twitter suspended her until they can investigate.

She will be reinstated in 3-7 Days.

[melman]

446. Of course!

Nothing to do with her conduct. Ever!

[melman]

423. Imagine that

Seems like there might be a pattern here.

[Rob H.]

428. I wonder if she just clicks "Okay" without reading more

when it's time to verify she'll abide by the Terms of Service for the sites she posts on. It's not as if sites that allow comments are vague about what isn't and isn't allowed. Hell, I'm on some sites that don't have anything to do with politics in the slightest and we still have to promise we'll behave or get booted.

[Petrushka]

427. Wow, indeed! Not knowing if Bravenak was still a member or not, I bowed out of jury duty . . .

. . . a while ago. Now, taking a look-see through part of this thread, I'm glad I did bow out .. . otherwise, I might have done someone an injustice---especially since I find it very amazing, almost like magic, to see how Bravenak's remarks can generate so much chaos and confusion even when she isn't here!

[Petrushka]

430. LOL . . . seems like zillions people think and believe or wish he is!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=hefner+in+hell+&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=hefner+in+hell+&sc=2-15&sk=&cvid=A591E218C9D04ED4AD454FA9FE246023

[stevenleser]

436. Trumad has a site? Whats the link?

[stevenleser]

442. Typed on iphone. I guess I type Trump so much it autocorrected. I mean Trumad. nt

[Not Ruth]

456. 2 mega threads, must find out who this is

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029657076

[Jim Beard]

457. What is this thread about?

[Ms. Toad]

460. A member on long-term time-out

known for lots of drama.

[Beacool]

461. With all due respect, but I think that some of Sanders' most avid supporters are nutty.

Here's a comment:

"Maybe not the smartest joke to make considering the fact that Hillary Clinton actually had slaves."

????

[Jamaal510]

463. K&R