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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:19 PM Sep 2017

Miss these guys yet? You betcha. - By Jennifer Rubin



They looked relaxed, comfortable in their own skin and happy to be in each other’s’ company. They looked normal. The sight of former presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton at the Presidents Cup golf tournament made one downright nostalgic — and a little sheepish about not appreciating them more when they were in office, even the ones we passionately disagreed with.

In the 24 years of their combined presidencies, we experienced war, economic calamity, government shutdowns, an impeachment and a myriad of other painful episodes. One segment of the electorate differed strongly with the policies of one or more of them. Looking back, however, some of the criticism was entirely deserved and some was disproportionate, unfair and wrongheaded. Despite their mistakes and missteps, we passed positive, bipartisan measures, including welfare reform, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D reform and the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). We normalized relations with Vietnam, passed the North American Free Trade Agreement and the Magnitsky Act — again on a bipartisan basis. We helped end the Balkan war, saved the auto industry and prevented a financial meltdown (thanks to Bush’s and then Obama’s support for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP). Some part of the electorate approved of more controversial items under each president; the electorate did not believe by a large majority (as they do now) that any of them was “unfit” to hold office, no matter how strongly some of us disagreed with some of their actions.

More important — and we took this entirely for granted — none of these presidents thought the office was an opportunity for self-enrichment, stoking racial divisions, demonizing immigrants or delegitimizing the free press. Pick your least favorite of the three, and he will be regarded as a giant in comparison with President Trump. Collectively, in 24 years they told fewer lies than Trump has in eight months in office. Each actually bothered to read things, appoint honorable and experienced people to high offices, filled political slots, tried to understand the issues and cared about the content of the laws they signed.

These presidents did not hold office in some distant time. We don’t have to go through decaying microfilm and stacks of yellowed, crumbling documents to recall their presidencies. We can, it seems, collectively decide that the Trump presidency is an aberration, a horrible mistake. He need not define either our time nor our country. He can be a blip on the political radar, passing out of sight before he does permanent damage. We can at least reestablish the baseline decency and conscientiousness the three predecessors displayed.

We are tempted to overstate the influence of a single president, to proclaim ourselves inevitably on the road to ruin. We should avoid the addiction of defeatism and the lure of resignation. These three presidents (and George H.W. Bush as well) can help — by setting an example of public civility and cooperation and at appropriate times speaking out to defend American values and democratic norms. They can address audiences jointly and make videos defending the free press, denouncing moral relativism when it comes to neo-Nazis and deploring the temptation to shut ourselves off from the world and repudiate objective reality.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/09/29/miss-these-guys-yet-you-betcha/?utm_term=.119999082bb2


mini-vids of all five living former Presidents are a part of this article. Vids are about 30 secs long each.
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Miss these guys yet? You betcha. - By Jennifer Rubin (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
K&R and thanks! nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #1
I do NOT, and never will, miss the one in the middle, but. . . damn, he is no longer the niyad Sep 2017 #2
At Least With That One. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #3
Bushisms were funny. Trump's tweets are the words of a bully. Kaleva Sep 2017 #8
Yes, Bush has lost the title NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #16
I think he was only the second worst, tied with Franklin Pierce NNadir Sep 2017 #29
GW belongs in prison for war crimes Martin Eden Sep 2017 #35
When Shart Cannon is out of the white house lapfog_1 Sep 2017 #4
Yeah, it's hard to imaging True Dough Sep 2017 #34
Miss *Bush*?! Hell to the fuck no! I still loathe him as much as I loathe Trump. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #5
I loathe Trump and every adult member of his family much more. Kaleva Sep 2017 #7
Trump hasn't started an illegal war yet 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #13
At the rate Trump is going, he's on track to be the worst president in history Kaleva Sep 2017 #15
He may well be but that doesn't give Bush a pass. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #17
Between the two, I rate Trump much worse. Kaleva Sep 2017 #21
Bush has a hell of a lot more blood on his hands... Ohiya Sep 2017 #12
Yep. Martin Eden Sep 2017 #36
I miss having a real POTUS Gothmog Sep 2017 #6
Without the normalizing of the one in the middle. We wouldn't have this atrocity right now. So, Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2017 #9
So much truth in your post. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #10
100%. With these sick fucks and what they've allowed themselves to become. I can't even imagine what Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2017 #11
And the power they've amassed. CrispyQ Sep 2017 #14
Yep not fooled Sep 2017 #27
Trump cannot smile normally like any one of them dalton99a Sep 2017 #18
This is soooooo true. There is OldHippieChick Sep 2017 #19
His mouth reminds me of an a-hole. Kaleva Sep 2017 #22
I'm sure that's why cartoon artists love that part of his face and exaggerate it. OldHippieChick Sep 2017 #24
He thinks that's how super models look. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #31
I DO NOT miss that lying, thieving, warmongering piece of shit Dubya Skittles Sep 2017 #20
I will NEVER experience ANYTHING as bad as Bush! mithnanthy Sep 2017 #23
I miss their normal hair too! And normal smiles and facial expressions. oppressedproletarian Sep 2017 #25
The one in the middle, not so much. DinahMoeHum Sep 2017 #26
I miss the guys on the right and left geardaddy Sep 2017 #28
They look great, and happy. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #30
I can't miss the one in the middle. GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #32
Very nice reading! Helps to know many of us thinking along the same ways. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #33
DonViejo, why did you have to make me cry? Doreen Sep 2017 #37
I don't miss Bush. Yes, on the other two. Tatiana Sep 2017 #38
2 of them, yes. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #39
There will never come a time when I miss Shrub. Solly Mack Sep 2017 #40
KnR Hekate Sep 2017 #41

niyad

(113,232 posts)
2. I do NOT, and never will, miss the one in the middle, but. . . damn, he is no longer the
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:23 PM
Sep 2017

biggest lying scum to ever soil the people's house.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
3. At Least With That One. . .
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:25 PM
Sep 2017

. . .some of his missteps weren't evil and some of the dumb things he said weren't lies, merely wrong.

With this new one, that can't be said.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
16. Yes, Bush has lost the title
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:38 PM
Sep 2017

of Worst President Ever. He has a lot to answer for, but he was nowhere near the evil of Dump. I have to say he even LOOKS good, physically, compared to the bloated cheeto.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
29. I think he was only the second worst, tied with Franklin Pierce
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:03 PM
Sep 2017

Trump is giving poor James Buchanan a run for the money. Buchanan also appointed traitors to office and coddled traitors, although he himself was not a traitor.

Buchanan lead us into a war during which 2% of Americans died.

Trump is almost certainly a traitor himself, unlike Buchanan but it remains to be seen how many Americans and other citizens of the world he kills.

Of course dumb asses put this fool in control of nuclear weapons, so, as terrifying as it is, Trump could dwarf Buchanan as all time worst.

We will certainly need a Lincolnesque leader to get past the damage this despicable, deplorable criminal will do.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
4. When Shart Cannon is out of the white house
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:33 PM
Sep 2017

I don't think he will be welcomed by this group... especially if he resigns or is forced to leave.

Even GWB is head and shoulders above Shart Cannon.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
15. At the rate Trump is going, he's on track to be the worst president in history
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:29 PM
Sep 2017

Trump will be in the company of Harding, Andrew Johnson, Buchanan, Pierce and Fillmore. A group that Bush 43 isn't considered part of.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
21. Between the two, I rate Trump much worse.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:09 PM
Sep 2017

Trump is all around despicable and with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
10. So much truth in your post.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:58 PM
Sep 2017

And what will come after Trump, if this is normalized? Which seems to be happening, with each passing day. There is worse than Trump out there - just look at Alabama.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
11. 100%. With these sick fucks and what they've allowed themselves to become. I can't even imagine what
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:01 PM
Sep 2017

will come after 'Donnie Doll Hands'.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
14. And the power they've amassed.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:13 PM
Sep 2017

Even though they got it by lying, cheating & stealing, they still see it as validation that they are superior. Which leads to even more repugnant behavior & new crops of even more heinous candidates. I wish I shared the optimists hope that we'll come back from this. If we do, I think it will take a long, long time.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
27. Yep
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:36 PM
Sep 2017

chimpy started wrecking the Federal Government in earnest. chumpy now is putting that on steroids but chimpy was there first. Having a shtick that makes you look like a cowboyin' ranchin' good ol' boy while in reality you are the dimwitted tool scion of an evil crime family doesn't make you presidential material.

And nothing excuses lying the nation into a hideously elective war.

Installing presidents who didn't win legitimately never works out well.



OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
19. This is soooooo true. There is
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:00 PM
Sep 2017

something about his mouth and how he expresses himself that is so contrived. Alec Baldwin has somehow mastered it. I have actually tried because it must take lots of practice. It truly hurts my face.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
24. I'm sure that's why cartoon artists love that part of his face and exaggerate it.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:18 PM
Sep 2017

But he makes it some kind of a pucker and attempts to speak from that pucker. What the hell is that?

25. I miss their normal hair too! And normal smiles and facial expressions.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:22 PM
Sep 2017

Not to mention non-repulsive bodies, families....

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
28. I miss the guys on the right and left
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:00 PM
Sep 2017

Not the one in the middle. Yes, * seems less loathsome now, but he got us into the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. So, no, I don't miss him.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
32. I can't miss the one in the middle.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:08 PM
Sep 2017

I'm still futilely trying to recover from his and his minions actions, which totally destroyed my career, my ability to earn an income, my health, and my life, in general. I hope they all wind up in my shoes. The sooner the better.

As for the other two guys, I miss them more than I can express. Especially the one wearing sunglasses.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
38. I don't miss Bush. Yes, on the other two.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:04 PM
Sep 2017

I really thought we were going to get Bubba back. ***Sigh***

I miss capable, intelligent Presidents.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
40. There will never come a time when I miss Shrub.
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:03 AM
Sep 2017

Never.

Click link in my sig line if you ever start to think he was anything but a piece of shit war criminal.

Why wouldn't Trump think he could get away anything? The Bush administration got away with torturing people.

I recall people saying, myself included, if a president is allowed to get away with war crimes and erosion of rights, then there will be a future president who goes even further.

Well, the future is here.


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