Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
62 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
This Bill Kristol tweet is pretty surprising. Not used to seeing any truth from him. (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 OP
And you helped Iliyah Sep 2017 #1
Absolutely, but... Kristol, unlike conservatives merely by personality, knew that an intellectual Hortensis Sep 2017 #46
Not surprising, he has always been a never Trumper. marylandblue Sep 2017 #2
It's surprising he admitted it. Elected conservatives have only cared about money and power. LonePirate Sep 2017 #3
Ive met him twice, both times he was not at all what I expected. Agschmid Sep 2017 #4
A "not-stupid?" :) For sure. Hortensis Sep 2017 #45
Kristol has been surprisingly clear about Trump from the start... First Speaker Sep 2017 #5
Same with Krauthammer....EOM physioex Sep 2017 #7
Yes. So many other GOP "Never Trumpers" have turned out to be craven. kcr Sep 2017 #9
No "credit" at all from me. He's just another rat that knows the ship is sinking. Midnight Writer Sep 2017 #35
Wasn't Kristol the one who.... SergeStorms Sep 2017 #36
Grover Norquist. But cut from the same cloth. Dressing fascism in intellectual foppery. Midnight Writer Sep 2017 #40
That's right! SergeStorms Oct 2017 #56
PNAC. End of discussion on William "Wrong About Everything" Kristol. lastlib Oct 2017 #62
Takes one to know one SHRED Sep 2017 #6
good point NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 #8
He supported the corruption that... SHRED Sep 2017 #10
My reply SHRED Sep 2017 #11
a perfect pitch! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 #12
Thanks SHRED Sep 2017 #15
THIS lindysalsagal Sep 2017 #44
I've seen you do that before, just curious do they reply? KelleyKramer Oct 2017 #57
Not famous people SHRED Oct 2017 #58
Kristol Has Too Much to Answer for Leith Sep 2017 #13
When Bill Kristol is right.... Turbineguy Sep 2017 #14
Scary jberryhill Sep 2017 #18
"the most reliable fount of wrong there has ever been" milestogo Sep 2017 #48
Kristol? He's like a broken clock. Liberal In Texas Sep 2017 #16
He's a broken calendar jberryhill Sep 2017 #20
Kristol is a two faced clock rpannier Sep 2017 #32
David Frum, too LyndaG Sep 2017 #17
This is big for Kristol, he's saying the GOP is corrupt sharedvalues Sep 2017 #19
His definition of "corrupt" is "I don't have a piece of the action" jberryhill Sep 2017 #22
No. He's saying the GOP is corrupt. That is unusual for any republican sharedvalues Sep 2017 #24
Yes, and if he were on this gravy train, he wouldn't be saying that. jberryhill Sep 2017 #26
We need to find common cause with those who see the light. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #55
He is not on our team, Liberal In Texas Sep 2017 #27
If he says the GOP is corrupt and they created Trump sharedvalues Sep 2017 #28
He's not innocent, but he's not wrong. And he's no longer our most dangerous enemy. FreepFryer Sep 2017 #21
Note this tweet is anti-GOP, not just anti-Trump sharedvalues Sep 2017 #29
Wasn't Bill Kristol the one who talked McCain into selecting Sarah Palin? BluesRunTheGame Sep 2017 #23
What's gotten into him? I suspect the contrast between the "no drama Obama"... brush Sep 2017 #25
I mean, anyone intellectually honest sharedvalues Sep 2017 #30
Ive said/posted that MANY times Cosmocat Sep 2017 #42
Yup. Article from Miami Herald about this sharedvalues Sep 2017 #54
Rubin has been saying the same thing about the GOP dalton99a Sep 2017 #31
And he helped bring conservatism to that point. Nice of him to wash his hands now. nt TeamPooka Sep 2017 #33
He's been on quite a few (mostly MSNBC) shows for awhile criticizing Trump Rhiannon12866 Sep 2017 #34
True, but none of them including Steve Schmidt etc talk about OnDoutside Sep 2017 #37
You're right, I know what you mean Rhiannon12866 Sep 2017 #39
Seventy percent? That many sane Republicans left? Vogon_Glory Sep 2017 #47
Kristol has been like this toward Trump since day 1. phleshdef Sep 2017 #38
Kristol... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #41
I followed him for past year on Twitter Saboburns Sep 2017 #43
I may disagree with Kristols politics titaniumsalute Sep 2017 #49
Yikes! Baitball Blogger Sep 2017 #50
NeoCons started this. Duppers Sep 2017 #51
The neoconservative ideology is different from BainsBane Sep 2017 #53
He's been critical of Trump from the beginning BainsBane Sep 2017 #52
Says one of the leading enablers malaise Oct 2017 #59
Bill Kristol's second sentence is approximately 49 years late. Efilroft Sul Oct 2017 #60
Conservatism IS corruption. Orsino Oct 2017 #61

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Absolutely, but... Kristol, unlike conservatives merely by personality, knew that an intellectual
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:33 AM
Sep 2017

basis for a conservative ideology had finally been developed to justify the gut reactions of conservatives. After all, he grew up knowing many of the creators from the mid 1900s, and its most important organizing principle was based on the value of proven ways and traditions and the importance of protecting them.

So Kristol of course understood what was happening when extremely wealthy ultraconservatives, for whom the proven ways were interfering with their accumulation of wealth and power, used universities and the new social media to destroy this fragile new ideology while taking over the Republican apparatus, and by providing conservatives by personality a new anti-regulation, anti-taxation "ideology": Short form, Democrat! Sic!

I lost all respect for Kristol as he tried to maintain his position by also serving up the Kool-Aid of the power-grabbers, but this has to have been a very bitter period for him. And I really do like this tweet. Whatever Kool-Aid he drank himself hasn't pickled his conservatism-constrained brain completely.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
3. It's surprising he admitted it. Elected conservatives have only cared about money and power.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:08 PM
Sep 2017

Corruption is merely a means to an end for them.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
4. Ive met him twice, both times he was not at all what I expected.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:11 PM
Sep 2017

I certainly don’t agree with him on much, but still I was impressed.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
5. Kristol has been surprisingly clear about Trump from the start...
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:12 PM
Sep 2017

...and I think he deserves some credit for it. We need all the allies we can get, and I for one am not inclined to do an autopsy on their past histories, if they're willing to join the fight today.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
9. Yes. So many other GOP "Never Trumpers" have turned out to be craven.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:30 PM
Sep 2017

Despite his faults, when it comes to Trump, Kristol has not been that.

Midnight Writer

(21,717 posts)
35. No "credit" at all from me. He's just another rat that knows the ship is sinking.
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 02:04 AM
Sep 2017

Kristol is for perpetual war and rule by the wealthy. In his political view, the rest of us are merely servants to the needs of the rich.

I am sick of these conservative architects (and yes, Kristol has had a vital role in defining "conservatism&quot acting appalled when the
movement they planted and cultivated yields predictably ugly fruit.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
36. Wasn't Kristol the one who....
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:09 AM
Sep 2017

said government should be "shrunk down to a size where it could be drowned in a bathtub" (or something to that effect)? Problem is, Trump and his demented minions took that literally. Look at what he's doing to Puerto Rico.

lindysalsagal

(20,585 posts)
44. THIS
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:48 AM
Sep 2017

Kristol is one of the original pnacers: The neocons who brought us the iraqi invasion to begin with. Him and Rice, Bolton, Wolfowitz, Cheney, and all the rest of the bush admin. Pirates.

I think Kristol turned coat on them when the invasion failed and colin powell made his mea culpa.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
13. Kristol Has Too Much to Answer for
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:37 PM
Sep 2017

He doesn't deserve any accolades for finally realizing the corruption inherent in his political philosophy. He deserves condemnation for his years of working hard for the destruction of our country and demonizing those who opposed him (that's us liberals).

He can crawl to hell on a trail of broken glass and toxic mold.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. Scary
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:08 AM
Sep 2017

For many, many years, I could determine which things were not true, and which predictions are wildly unrealistic, by checking in with Bill Kristol who, in my observation, is the most reliable fount of wrong there has ever been.

Him saying anything I agree with, sense a chill up my spine out of fear that what I believe may be horribly incorrect.

Liberal In Texas

(13,532 posts)
16. Kristol? He's like a broken clock.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:48 PM
Sep 2017

You know twice a day. In his case once every few years.

Take him with a grain, or a pound, of salt.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. He's a broken calendar
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:12 AM
Sep 2017

...for the planet Jupiter which has an orbit of some span of many years.

Or perhaps the Mayan calendar with its 10,000 year cycles.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
32. Kristol is a two faced clock
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:06 AM
Sep 2017

The one that is about il douche is correct 24 . The other face is always wrong

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
19. This is big for Kristol, he's saying the GOP is corrupt
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:10 AM
Sep 2017

Which is obviously true and has mostly been true since Limbaugh started and Murdoch bought the NY Post and used it to get Reagan elected.

But it's big for soemone like Kristol to embrace it.

Welcome to Team Good Guys, Bill. It's nice over here. A lot less hate.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
22. His definition of "corrupt" is "I don't have a piece of the action"
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:13 AM
Sep 2017

He wants to get paid if he's going to join the team.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
24. No. He's saying the GOP is corrupt. That is unusual for any republican
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:17 AM
Sep 2017

He could get paid by GOP billionaires if he wanted to. He's actually taking a stand. We should celebrate republicans who do that.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
55. We need to find common cause with those who see the light.
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 10:29 PM
Sep 2017

Kristol is an asshole. But now, and on this issue, he's our asshole. I'll be the first to throw him over when he says other things that are wrong. But he's right on this.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
28. If he says the GOP is corrupt and they created Trump
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:22 AM
Sep 2017

I'm willing to support that.

(Yeah, maybe he's only on Team Good Guys for this issue, right now. But I'll take it.)

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
21. He's not innocent, but he's not wrong. And he's no longer our most dangerous enemy.
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:13 AM
Sep 2017

If he is truly anti trump, as he has positioned himself, it will be nice to have the luxury of him as our most dire foe again.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
29. Note this tweet is anti-GOP, not just anti-Trump
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:24 AM
Sep 2017

That's the difference between really getting religion and morons like Bret Stephens.

David Frum and Kristol in this tweet are saying the rot is in the GOP, and the rotting GOP created Trump, when Trump said out loud the racist stuff the GOP only used to dogwhistle about. That's more than even Rick Wilson who can only bring himself to hate Breitbart, not Fox and Limbaugh and the mainstream GOP.

BluesRunTheGame

(1,607 posts)
23. Wasn't Bill Kristol the one who talked McCain into selecting Sarah Palin?
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:14 AM
Sep 2017

Seems like the corruption started with Bill Kristol.

brush

(53,743 posts)
25. What's gotten into him? I suspect the contrast between the "no drama Obama"...
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:18 AM
Sep 2017

corruption-free admin of 8 years and the corruption explosion in the 8 months of trumpistan has made him see the light.

Or not.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
30. I mean, anyone intellectually honest
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:25 AM
Sep 2017

knows that Trump is just the racist wing of the GOP taking over the billionaire wing of the GOP. And that Trump just said out loud what guys from Nixon to Reagan to Cruz have been dogwhistling about for four decades.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
42. Ive said/posted that MANY times
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:57 AM
Sep 2017

45 didn't happen TO the GOP.

He just is out and out saying the shit Rs have whistled at my entire life, decades now at least.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
34. He's been on quite a few (mostly MSNBC) shows for awhile criticizing Trump
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 01:41 AM
Sep 2017

It's amazing how many of those we vehemently opposed are now saying the same things we say about Trump.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
37. True, but none of them including Steve Schmidt etc talk about
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:13 AM
Sep 2017

where the GOP may have to go, to delouse itself... something that may mean the end of the Republican Party, and a split into a more moderate new party which attracts 70% of its current support, with the rest hived off into a US Monster Raving Looney party. There is no reeducation for many of that rump.

Rhiannon12866

(204,779 posts)
39. You're right, I know what you mean
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:26 AM
Sep 2017

Those like Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace, the less extreme Republicans, are seeing a real split with the Trump followers. The difference that I see is the difference between those who actually know what's going on and are paying attention and those who blindly follow Trump no matter what insane rantings and lies he manages to come up with. It would be interesting to watch if Trump wasn't pulling the entire country down with him.

Vogon_Glory

(9,109 posts)
47. Seventy percent? That many sane Republicans left?
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:54 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe it's because I live in Texas, but after the rise of the Tea Party and the failure of what I thought of as the wiser, responsible, competent part of the Republican Party to brake the craziness, I'd be surprised if the sane part of the Republican Party touches sixty percent.

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
41. Kristol...
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 04:43 AM
Sep 2017

...could, if he wants, start blowing some big whistles. He should write a book exposing some of his Republican pals. It's nice to have him on our payroll, I guess, but I think Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt are more honorable.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
43. I followed him for past year on Twitter
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:30 AM
Sep 2017

He and David Frum, another Republican, are my 2 favorite twitterers. Take 10 min and look over their tweets.

The eviscerate Trump, his Cabinet, the Republican Congress folk, and the Republican Party.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
49. I may disagree with Kristols politics
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 09:14 AM
Sep 2017

But he's been spot on about Trump from day one and I applaud him for that 100%.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
53. The neoconservative ideology is different from
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 02:05 PM
Sep 2017

the part of the party that seeks to appeal to the racism of the base. Other than being Republicans, they don't have much in common.

I don't see how you can claim the neocons started this. Trump isn't a neocon. He's a white nationalist.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
52. He's been critical of Trump from the beginning
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 02:03 PM
Sep 2017

and more so as Trump has been in office and showed just how deplorable he is.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
61. Conservatism IS corruption.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 12:23 PM
Oct 2017

You can't advocate for the concentration of wealth in a few hands and not expect for that power to be misused against the many, or for the story of that misuse to be buried. Corruption.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»This Bill Kristol tweet i...