BET did a story about Sarandon harassing @bravenak & Twitter responded in the most racist way.

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

[JI7]

1. Does Susan Sarandon Think there will be a Revolution with what is happening in Puerto Rico ?

how will Susan Participate in this revolution ?

[SaschaHM]

26. She'll send a tweet from the set of her next movie or the red carpet.

[RandySF]

28. Or her ping pong bar.

[lapucelle]

79. She'll tweet from the set of a movie about her ping pong parlor

while wearing cashmere.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512178481

[Arazi]

2. She's banned here for being a flame thrower. Banned at DKos as an antisemite

Who knows where else she's banned?

It's not a coincidence that she's banned at some of the most liberal progressive places online and it's not because Skinner, Marcus, @Jack are racists

[romanic]

4. She's a professional victim and a shit-stirer

And her cult followers worship her like she's fucking Leonard Peltier which just feeds her attention seeking ego.

[murielm99]

5. She is FFR'd not banned.

[cwydro]

15. Given her conduct here and elsewhere

I'd be very surprised if the admins allow her back. I'm sure they're aware of her shenanigans on other websites.

[pintobean]

36. Tell that to all the DUers who have been

in that status for a year or two. I don't think they see a distinction. I sure don't.

[Rob H.]

11. Banned from Reddit, too

I didn't even know a person could get banned from Reddit.

[Jake Stern]

13. You can actually be banned from Reddit?

What the hell do you have to do to earn that?

[Rob H.]

18. I was just as surprised as you when I first read about it

Given some of things I've seen there and other things I've only read about, I wonder the same thing. I'm almost afraid to know the answer, tbh.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Tell the truth.

[LittleBlue]

82. You can get banned from a subreddit, but getting banned from all reddit is damned near impossible

Means she was either caught using alt accounts to get around a subreddit ban, or she was threatening people with violence (or something that serious), or some other illegal behavior. It's hard as hell to get site-wide banned from reddit.

[Inkfreak]

46. Given what I see at Reddit, that is an AMAZING accomplishment.

[melman]

12. It's never her fault

Banned over and over again all around the internet...but it's never her fault. Can't be. Not even possible!

[cwydro]

14. And now she's been suspended at Twitter?

Woman needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Smh,

[Hortensis]

41. Oh, she brings it on, all right, and never resists an invitation to swing.

Or at least did here on DU. But that's no excuse for Twitter's failure to control malicious misuse of its monitoring systems by, among others, malignant political and racist groups.

[R B Garr]

48. Exactly, I bet some *cough* Russian bots flooded the Twitter buttons.

[bettyellen]

62. People there swarm/ report others for bullshit Because they know it's largely automated...

Same as FB, and even Linked In. Newsweek did a report on it- they like to silence pro- Hillary people- attacking them from the right and the left. It makes "what happened" last year look normal. Amplifies their voices and drowns out Hillary supporters. We've all seen it happen.

[cwydro]

64. I'm not on twitter.

I gave it a try and found it boring.

So I'll take your word for that. I have no doubt there are swarms there, just as there are here.

[bettyellen]

66. It can take a while to get a good enough bunch of follows to make it interesting and also learn when

It's useful to do a search. A lot of times you can find news reports their teases before they are released. I did have to block a bunch of people for harrassing. It's not hard to get alert swarmed and attacked if you have too many bots following you. I'm not one to block people usually but there it is a necessity. My feed is 95% political, activists, reporters and politicians.

[cwydro]

67. Yeah I wanted to do it for that reason.

If I try again, I'll reach out for help lol!

[bettyellen]

68. Absolutely- you'll be shocked at how many bots you run across. Empty profiles, except for political

Memes - either a pic w wording or a cut and paste phrase. Some become familiar as they appear programmed to spit out 6-7 pro/ Trump (or Trump side of the argument) memes and then disappear, never to engage with anyone. They're bizarre. If you answer one, you usually make it to some shit list and start getting harassed by others. It's really bizarre.

[cwydro]

69. I wasn't very good at negotiating the site.

I wanted to follow my tennis players -Serena, Venus, Billie Jean, Martina, etc. But I would also follow Hillary, Ana Navarro, and others. I just was overwhelmed by it lol.

Shows my age.

[bettyellen]

70. I'd suggest heavy use of mute and block. And add big political figures and reporters you like....

I have Schiff, Harris, Franken, and Farenhold (sp) and Maddow and her blog. Then people involved in the Russia reporting, like Malcom Nance. nYTpllitics, WaPo. They all tweet a great deal. Pretty much covers breaking political news that way.

When I see something clever I'll follow and if they get annoying I drop them. I think my feed improved a lot since I followed more people/ it's less random that way? Except for a few oddball things none is mostly political.

[cwydro]

71. Thanks!

I may give it another try.

[bettyellen]

90. Of course! I do remember it was random and useless when I first joined. But that's easily fixable.

[Lordquinton]

92. ...

[DK504]

80. What does SMH mean?

[aikoaiko]

88. Shaking My Head.

SMDH = Shaking my damn head.

[lapucelle]

56. Bravenak is not banned at DU.

She's flagged for review. Here's how her profile reads and another FFR profile reads as well.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=300456

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=104796

Here's how a banned member profile reads.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=344794

The links are included to illustrate how to distinguish a FFR member from a PPR former member ONLY.

[Afromania]

3. and some how trump is allowed to continue being a serial arsonist.

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[Ms. Toad]

7. That's a serious problem.

He should be permanently banned - but it would take a lot of guts to ban the president of the United States. Nonetheless, I keep reporting anything that seems to me to obviously cross the line.

[tblue37]

50. I want Trump to continue exposing himself on Twitter, so I hope he doesn't get banned! nt

[Ms. Toad]

59. I would gladly trade cutting off his main venue escalating war of words with N. Korea

for a little less exposure to his idiocy.

Right now, I'm more concerned about surviving than I am about making Trump look disturbed enough to impeach him (since I think a nuclear war is far more likely than impeachment).

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. World war 3 is here, basically, and neither Twitter or the GOP will lift a finger to stop it

we deserve this, that we would allow such a vile piece of shit to get close enough to steal it.

this is on US

[Ms. Toad]

6. That's a serious mischaracterization of the exchange.

bravenak posted a collage of 9 photos of Sarandon with some version of "fuck you" written across each of them, "apologizing" for not saying "fuck you" to Sarandon earlier.

Sarandon responded, "Apology accepted."

As near as I can tell, that restrained response is the ONLY response made by Sarandon to a profane tweet by bravenak. I'd hardly call that "Sarandon harassing @bravenak."

And - if I was Twitter, I might well have given her a time-out for a few days just based on that initial tweet. Skimming through her tweets for a few days, until her time-oue, she (bravenak) continued her provocative and profane tirade.

Not all time outs given to black women are racist.

[cwydro]

16. Yep. She wreaks havoc wherever she goes and

then tries to pull the victim cloak over herself in order to escape criticism.

[oberliner]

33. She did one of those for Nina Turner as well

[NurseJackie]

45. Oh my ...

[Me.]

76. Made Me Laugh

[R B Garr]

8. Free Bravenak!

Not everyone has to like every Senator.

[murielm99]

21. That's for sure.

I recall some very critical posts here about Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren and others.

There are a lot of personal attacks going on here.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. Lol. Banned at twitter.

[grossproffit]

20. It's a timeout, not a ban. I just had a timeout. During that time I learned I was married.

[Jake Stern]

17. She posted a profanity laced tweet about and to Susan Sarandon

and Susan Sarandon responded WITHOUT nastiness using snark.

Bravenak can dish it out but then she and her entourage act like a victim when it's served back.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

19. I love the comments in the Giordano thread.

It's a Russian plot!!!!!

[SaschaHM]

22. Alert swarming as usual. That being said, it is always a good time to say Fuck Susan Sarandon.

[Ninsianna]

24. Interesting congruity in the responses to her.

[6000eliot]

53. It's ALWAYS a good time to say Fuck Susan Sarandon.

I've done it on Twitter, in fact.

[jalan48]

23. We have more to worry about than Susan Sarandon-long past time to get over it.

[SaschaHM]

25. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Susan Sarandon is a high profile political celebrity and surrogate who after pushing people to vote for Nader in 2000 was foolishly elevated again in 2016. Then when she didn't get her way, surprise surprise, she started pushing people to vote Jill Stein. To be quite frank, as long as she is alive and politically active, Susan Sarandon is a cancer to the Democratic Party, who should never be ignored.

Absent voices of dissent and constant reminders of her tomfoolery, there is nothing stopping her from enabling Trump in 2018 or 2020, when her preferred candidate loses a primary again as she did in 2016.

[NurseJackie]

44. She's one of two...

... and I'll just leave it at that.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

27. Ah, yes, Bravenak.

As I recall she was put on time out any number of times in the past, but for some reason kept on coming back. Looks like she was eventually suspended from DU.

I recall her quite well, and how she would get into it quite viciously. I'm not sure I'd hold her up as a model citizen.

[Petrushka]

29. And we wonder why we can't have nice things.

[LostOne4Ever]

30. Last I checked it was Bravenak harassing Susan Sarandon. Nt

[Squinch]

38. LOL. Susan Sarandon "harassed" ALL of us by helping that monster into the White House. But

thank God she has all these democrats to protect her from censure.

[Loki Liesmith]

31. Sarandon's a dumbass but

Bravenak earned this.

[oberliner]

32. The most racist way?

Huh?

[stonecutter357]

34. K&R

[RandiFan1290]

35. Glad DU banned that anti-Semite

Can't believe how many people fell for that fake letter bs

Pretty good trolling technique though

[Squinch]

37. LOL. Bravenak bothers lots of people by telling the truth a lot of times.

"Fuck you Susan Sarandon"? It's the least that idiot deserves.

[pintobean]

39. "Fuck you Susan Sarandon" is the truth?

It's a mindless personal attack.

I predict Bravenak will continue with her usual nasty shit and end up getting banned from Twitter, too.

[Squinch]

40. "Fuck you Susan Sarandon" is the least Susan Sarandon deserves for helping to put

the monster in the white house. But thank God she has all the good democrats here to protect her from being told "fuck you" for her very active role in helping to give us Donald Trump. Without all those good democrats protecting her, Susan Sarandon's feelings might have been hurt.

[pintobean]

42. No one here protected her from anything.

It happened.

We're discussing the aftermath. Websites have rules about attacking members. Bravenak loves to break those rules.

[Ms. Toad]

60. Nothing to do with who bravenak was bullying.

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And everything to do with her repeated bullying behavior being cheered.

This is exactly the bullying behavior that I experienced in high school - with the exact same defenses being offered by at least some of her defenders here.

Notes circulated broadly that weren't specifically directed to me, but were about me. Games of telephone in which the original message "whispered" to the next person in the chain was whispered loudly enough to ensure that not only did I hear it through the chain - but that I heard it directly from the person I was next to - and had to repeat to the person after me in the chain.

When called on it - the response was, "We weren't talking about Ms. Toad. She shouldn't have butted into our private conversation. It's not fair that we are being punished (on the very rare occasion that any of them were actually punished)

Here (in this thread or others of the many bravenak fan clubs), her fans are insisting that she didn't tweet it to Sarandon (because she did not specifically tag Sarandon), therefore it was fine because it was ontly directed to bravenak's followers - even though bravenak broadcast it to anyone with a Twitter account. So, according to them, Sarandon started it by butting into a conversation she wasn't a part of - therefore bravenak is completely innocent and is being harassed by Sarandon (who, as near as I can tell, made one very restrained tweet in response) - and putting a hold on her account for unacceptable behavior must be racist..

The fact that bravenak chose someone well-connected with fans who will defend her, and alert, does not change the nature of the behavior (regardless of who it was directed at).

Frankly, this should come as a surprise to no one becasue she behaved similarly while an active poster here.

[cwydro]

65. Perfectly put.

Thank you.

[LostOne4Ever]

72. Amazing response! Nt

[Squinch]

74. I'm sorry you were treated badly in high school, but the comparison is silly. I haven't seen

anyone making the distinction about it not going directly to Sarandon. I don't doubt what you are saying, but I haven't seen them. More importantly I don't care, and I doubt that bravenak would care, if it DID go directly to Sarandon.

I don't care HOW Sarandon found out about it. She deserves everything she gets. People are dying right now, and her actions contributed to the conditions that they are dying from.

I would LOVE to tell her where to put her smug destructiveness. I'm glad bravenak did it. And it has nothing to do with your high school experience.

[tonedevil]

75. I've seen...

attempts to make the lack of an @ sign into Susan Sarandon shouldn't have responded to Bravenak because it wasn't her conversation. That isn't how Twitter specificly and the Internet in general work. Twiter is a public forum what is posted there can be read by anyone and anyone with a valid active account can post back.
You may hold Ms, Sarandon in the lowest contempt and feel she can never be told fuck you too often your posts seem to indicate that. In this case she did not act improperly. She didn't attack Bravenak nor did she ask anyone to.

[Squinch]

77. Meh. So what. Susan Sarandon is a destructive, entitled, smug idiot. She's a public person.

If I say "fuck you Donald Trump" on twitter to my friends, are you going to have an issue with it?

[Jake Stern]

85. Most on here wouldn't have a beef with it

However, don't act shocked if it can be seen by the public and some Trump supporters take umbrage with it enough to give you their opinion in return. Free speech and the right to an opinion is a two-way street no matter how many of the posters here fervently wish it weren't.

That is what happened with Bravenak: she posted a profanity-laden tweet that was spotted by Susan Sarandon or a fan of hers and brought to her attention to which she responded to in a very restrained, albeit snarky, manner. All of a sudden Bravenak went from righteous shit stirrer to suffering victim.

She slapped first and the Twitterverse slapped back.

Sarandon was far nicer than I would have been to someone who posted about apologizing for not saying "fuck you" to me.

[Squinch]

89. No. It wasn't sarandon's reply that people are objecting to. It was the disgusting racist

and sexist pile-on by Sarandon's followers that was created by Sarandon's reply. Read up on a few of those and then come on back here and defend them.

I guarantee you won't want to.

[Me.]

81. She Didn't Use Means Such As A Private Communication To Start It?

Who knows but a yes has as much weight as no. T do know this, people are often surprised what others get up to.

[Ms. Toad]

83. This has NOTHING to do with whether Sarandon deserves it.

That is an entirely separate question. But even if Sarandon deserves, it doesn't mean bravenak does not also deserve the responses she received (including the time-out from Twitter).

Again - this is not about protecting Sarandon, it is about criticizing bullying behavior. Bullying behavior is not OK merely because we don't like the target.

Bravenak created a profane meme - with 9 photos of Sarandon with various versions of "Fuck you" written across the images" with an "apology" to Sarandon for not saying "fuck you" earlier.

Sarandon responded, "Apology accepted."

That is the extent of her response.

But bravenak's followers are claiming Sarandon started it, and that any response to bravenak other than praise is racist. Sorry. It is not. Bravenak engages in bullying behavior, then uses race as a cover. There, unfortunately, are non-white individuals engaging in bullying behavior.

As for what I'm seeing that is identical (including excuses) to the behavior of the bullies who targeted me, here are a few:

144. She didn't send Sarandon anything. Sarandon decided to step in

into a discussion that she was not included in, thereby signalling her followers to attack her on the nastiest, misogynistic, racial terms.

She was having a conversation with her followers on a thread that Sarandon was not included in, about the truly moronic celebrity who was giddily telling gullible fools that the parties were equivalent, and that it would be wonderful if Trump was elected because it would "bring on the revolution". A sentiment that deserves scorn and a speaker, who was ensconced in her privilege, status and wealth, that earned it honestly.

Said privileged white lady condesecended to accept an apology that was not actually offered, and in doing so exposed someone who is just an average woman, to the harassment and abuse of her followers. Something she was well aware would occur. The tweets her minions unleashed show exactly how cyberbullying happens, and yes, the target of this venom, who is not a celebrity, not a rich, entitled, and awfully bitter white lady who spread a whole lot of propaganda with her status and encouraged a Stein voter that gave us Trump is indeed a victim.

. . .

Sarandon stuck her entitled nose into a thread that didn't include her and which did express what many Americans feel about about her. She and her minions, as well as the minions of the other equally repulsive public figure who unleashed her minions to attack another woman (and it's always women who they attack, isn't it?) did the same.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029

i.e. bravenak was not talking to Sarandon. She tweeted to the entire twitterverse (which includes Sarandon), so it's not bullying behavior because she didn't say @SS. As for the apology not being directed to Sarandon:

Queen Bravenak on Twitter: "I apologize for not saying fuck you to Susan Sarandon earlier. https://t.co/Wew0wOVMAC"

And another:

347. Bravenak made a meme expressing her views of SS

she didn't @ SS...it was made for braves followers...SS made a passive aggressive move when she responded to it.

. . . If brave truly wanted to bully her, she would have @ her and have her thousands and thousands of followers (which she doesn't have anywhere near as many as SS) go after her. SS punched down. I also have the same opinion as Brave...Fuck you is how I feel about her..SS knew exactly what she was doing and probably likes the results. I'm seeing a lot of black women on twitter pissed at SS...so I'm, again, going to listen to black women because they know.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029

i.e. it's not bullying behavior - she was just speaking to her base. If you don't speak directly to the person you are trashing, and only make a general pronouncement to the world it isn't bullying. Compare that posture to the tweets from Trump when he speaks to his base. Would anyone else his tweets targeted be starting something if they responded? That is the posture of the posts I'm seeing here.

In response to a comment that bravenak started it:

407. Well, actually, that's not true.

Sarandon did. Bravenak was expressing her opinion, and adding to some meme she had made and left her highness, Sarandon off of. Which is her right.

Sarandon decided to step in and make a condescending remark, which provoked her minions to engage is some frothy racist and misogynistic harassment.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029

Bullying behavior doesn't have a viewpoint. Just because you happen to dislike the target of the behavior does not change the nature of the behavior or turn the bully into the the victim. That kind of behavior should be condemned by decent people, not idolized.

[X_Digger]

84. Of course some DU participants embrace the double standard..

.. that doing something reprehensible to someone doesn't count when that someone is a reprehensible person themselves.

Nazis? Beat them when they demonstrate.

Free speech? Fine when it's someone I like. Alt-right trash? Refuse to issue a permit or rent the public space!

Doxing / stalking? Horrible crime against women, but it's de rigeur for twitter idiots saying mean things.


It seems that some folks don't have strong principles- just preferences that wax and wane depending on circumstance.

[Squinch]

87. Do you not see the irony in your own post?

[Squinch]

86. Again, I"ll say this: Sarandon is a public figure. If I were to say "Fuck you Trump" to

my friends on twitter, is that bullying? And when the Trump trolls came after me with vile misogyny for saying it, would you be saying that was my fault? Would you be saying it was just like your high school experience?

Just because you dislike bravenak, it does not make her commenting on a public figure bullying, and it does not turn Sarandon into a victim.

Sarandon is equating the two parties. That kind of behavior should be condemned by decent people, not defended.

[betsuni]

43. Sarandon saying about Clinton: "I believe in a way she is more dangerous" than Trump is the truth?

[6000eliot]

54. It absolutely is the truth and the only thing she deserves to be told

for the rest of her white privileged life.

[pintobean]

55. ...

[Autumn]

47. Okay, that's some funny shit.

When you start a pissing contest you might just get wet.

[riderinthestorm]

49. Schaden-fucking-fraude

She's on track to be banned there too. We should take bets on how long she lasts when she gets off suspension.

[cwydro]

61. I doubt she lasts till the new year there.

Unless she pulls herself together.

[Autumn]

73. DU, Kos. I saw where she was banned from Reddit in one of the threads. There seems to be a pattern.

[ucrdem]

57. The revolution will not be tweeted

but the fake one is all over the twit-face media-verse, a poorly regulated electronic red-light district that is even less truthful than the talking heads on TV. IOW, to be expected.



Still a nasty business for Bravenak tho.

[VermontKevin]

58. I stand with bravenak and will proudly repost her here.

Just like the man who called Barrack Obama a piece of shit gets posted here with impunity.

[G_j]

78. whatever

I don't know much about this other business, but my obeservation was that she could be pretty rude to others here, which is, I suppose, why she is no longer here.
But if that 's your bag, have at it.

[greatauntoftriplets]

63. Bravenak proves that the truth hurts.

Fuck drumpf.

[ucrdem]

91. Reflects poorly on Sarandon.

She's splashed around as some kind of savant starlet we're supposed to lust after, though she's a little old for the part, but nevertheless that's her persona, and here she is getting some hapless Dem kicked off freakin' Twitter. If she had a brain in her hollow head she'd open a dialogue with Bravenak and invite her to spend a few days at the Ping Pong parlor on Sarandon's dime. I don't see it happening but it would be the decent thing to do.