There's no sure way to protect against a lone shooter like this guy.

[Stinky The Clown]

Gun control won't do shit. It will make us feel good but won't stop a determined gunner.

Arming ourselves will likely lead to more, not fewer, deaths. Look at history. Most gunners who pull shit like this eat a bullet or commit suicide by cop. They fear nothing and will get off a fusillade before you, like Fredo when the Don was shot, fumble your penis substitute in a attempt to "protect" people.

I think we have just two course available:

1. Melt 'em. Every last fucking one of 'em.

2. Accept the status quo, (wo)man-up and deal with it.

I see no third option.

I am strongly in favor of #1. I can absolutely do #2.

[LuckyCharms]

1. YES. #1

[LovingA2andMI]

2. Agree...

And There Are NO EXCUSES PERIOD for Stephen Paddock, Just Facts. He Was A Terrorist. Period.

[Javaman]

3. my prediction...

the NRA and the right wing will call for the arming of all housecleaning crews in all hotels.

you think I'm kidding?

[Stinky The Clown]

4. "you think I'm kidding?"

Nope

[Javaman]

6. it's so sad.

on so many levels.

it's just hard to comprehend what we, as a nation, have become.

[Doodley]

5. Third Option: Create a society that does not provide fertile territory for

guns and hate.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I guess nobody wants to admit this is the fact in the world as it is today.

Until there is a will to MELT DOWN EVERY FUCKING GUN THERE IS, nothing makes us really safer. Not a silencer ban, not an assault weapons ban. Not background checks. Not any of the impotent efforts by our side. All well intentioned, But each less effective as the next, and all less effective than a fart in a windstorm.

[NewDem17]

8. Melt them all.

How do we as a nation go about doing this?

What if people won't turn in their weapons willingly? How do we make sure we get them all so this can't happen ever again?

[Stinky The Clown]

9. You start by outlawing guns.

Then you start melting them.

It will take a lifetime for all the guns hidden under mattresses to be found. but they WILL be found.

And as we find them, we melt them.

[NewDem17]

12. What happens

To the people who own the guns?

Do they go to prison so we can stuff even more people in an already horrible prison system that's over crowded?

What is they resist? Do we begin systematically killing anyone who refuses to hand over their guns?

Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but those are the only two outcomes I see to such an action.

Yes some will willingly give them up, but if we have 100,000,000 or more gun owners, all it takes is 10% to refuse to give up their guns and we have a massive problem on a scale we have never seen.

10% of gun owners refusing would be 1,000,000 dead or incarcerated.

I just don't see a good outcome to the melt them down idea. We either have a lot of blood and death, or we have to make a prison island like in escape from NY.

Could we as a nation handle that type of scenario?

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Look at Australia.

[Calculating]

18. Different cultures

Also Australia has no second amendment.

[cos dem]

34. Right, a culture where human lives are more important than profits of gun manufacturers.

A culture that is willing to do something about it, rather than "thoughts and prayers".

[sarisataka]

11. First we get rid of the Second

Then the Fourth so we can find all the guns
Then the Fifth so we can take them
Then the First so we can shut up anyone who whines about their rights

Simple

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Lots reasons not try.

Nobody wins by not trying.

[sarisataka]

38. If winning means

We Wipeout 40% of the Bill of Rights I don't think it's a win

[loyalsister]

10. He wasn't alone

He had a supportive network of gun advocates and politicians who were intrumental in his opportunity to acquire and carry the guns he needed to carry out his dastardly plan.

[louis c]

15. You can ban assault weapons and have background checks.

It won't eliminate every murder by gun, but it surely reduce it.

let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

[SalviaBlue]

37. I agree!

[Willie Pep]

16. I honestly think this is a cultural issue

I know it might not be a popular opinion here but mass shootings have increased dramatically over the last 30 years while gun ownership has declined. There is something about modern American culture where some people think shooting huge numbers of innocent people is a way to get over their frustrations.

I don't know exactly how we got here but I don't think guns are the only problem. Even if we put stricter guns laws in place the people who are dead set on committing massacres will figure out how to get guns somehow.

[Calculating]

19. I think it's all the same from the media

Just look at how many stories about the shooter are up on Yahoo. We all obsess about these shooters and try to understand why they do these things. I think many of them are just sad individuals who do it for their cut of media immortality.

[Willie Pep]

21. That is a very good point.

I think your theory is probably correct. I recall reading an academic who claimed the same thing. I guess it is like the copycat syndrome where people want to be like famous killers.

I still wonder why America has so many mass shooters, though. That might be where the gun control issue should come in. But then you have cases like Switzerland where they have a lot of guns and these mass killings are rare. I am not sure what to think.

[maxsolomon]

22. guns/gun owner has gone up, though

as gun ownership as a percentage of the population has declined.

[Willie Pep]

23. That is also a good point.

Some people own many guns and some even stockpile them.

[smirkymonkey]

35. The easy availability of guns is a huge problem in this country, but I agree with you that there

is something more than that going on in this country. Too many people think that their problems will be solved with a gun and until we can understand why that is so much more prevalent here than in other countries, these massacres will continue.

[Calculating]

17. #1 will never happen

So we need to do the best we can with regulations, and focus on the obvious mental health problems in our county.

[maxsolomon]

20. THIS IS NOT BINARY OPPOSITION TIME

of course there's "no sure way".

"this law wouldn't have stopped this crime" is not the point. the goal is to REDUCE the likelihood that this will happen. there are never guarantees, particularly in a nation saturated with firearms.

[SHRED]

29. EXACTLY

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No law stops crime altogether.
We must reduce it.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. Option 1 isn't going to happen.

I'm at the point of cynical acceptance, with an interest in self preservation.

[Baconator]

25. You could lose the state of Delaware to gun violence...

... and there still wouldn't be enough political will to seize private property, throw out privacy protections and enforce the future ban.

[EX500rider]

26. Unfortunately it's the desire to kill a bunch of people that is evil, not the guns..

....with zero guns he could have driven a U-Haul at 70mph into the crowd and probably killed more people.
The Nice France terrorist killed 86 with that method, with injury to 458 others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack
No trucks? Propane bomb....etc.
More mental screening and help would be the best cure.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. Nah, it's the guns.

[Marengo]

31. What gun did Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel use?

[Eliot Rosewater]

33. sigh

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Melt em

[hunter]

30. We can start treating gun fetishes as an abnormal behavior.

Drunk driving used to be socially acceptable. Now it's not.

Take away the car keys, take away the guns.

It can happen before the law catches up.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

32. Been saying it for years...

Single-shot firearms only. Think H&R-type break open barrels for example. The rest? Melt 'em.

Flaunt the rules? Not a fan of incarceration but in this case, five years. $5,000 reward for turning someone in who breaks the rules.

It will take a while, but it will dramatically lessen the madness.

[USALiberal]

36. No solution as long as you can own and buy guns. Most mass shooters get guns legally. nt

[haveahart]

39. I can't even talk about this subject withoutmshaking. We can do much better at gun control

on so many levels but the very suggestion brings out the crazies. I am done with this subject. As soon as trump rescinded Obama's EO on denying guns to people with documented mental illness you just had to know there is no hope for the US.