"He killed himself, you baboon"

[Miles Archer]

He killed himself, you baboon

Link to tweet

[Not Ruth]

1. Suicide?

That is a mental health issue

[cwydro]

54. I'm thinking murdering 58 people is a mental health issue.

Smh.

[MyOwnPeace]

2. Go, Keith!!!!!

[malaise]

3. I'm still trying to find out exactly what was the miracle

The man killed 59 and injured 0ver 500 people for between nine and 11 minutes.

[IronLionZion]

6. Did they get him in 11 minutes?

If so, that was fast. Especially for an unprecedented event like this. I respect the police for doing a good job here. Our president is still an ass.

[malaise]

31. No - see post #16 n/t

[bdamomma]

7. me too malaise

and today he is going to Vegas let's see if he again acts and says inappropriate comments. He is such a jerk.

I don't think he really cares about gun reform either. He was asked that question yesterday, just like blew off the question like oh yeah we will get to that.

[BigmanPigman]

29. He DEFINATELY will act inappropriately and say stupid remarks. No question about it.

[malaise]

32. I expect him to say something so inappropriate that the media will forget

what Tillerson just said

[cwydro]

10. I heard earlier that an hour went by before they found him.

I heard it on CNN but I don't know how true that is.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. 72 minutes before they broke down the door.

But I also read that only 11 minutes of gunfire.

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/it-took-police-72-minutes-first-911-call-breach-paddock-n806836

[cwydro]

17. Amazing story.

I cannot believe more were not killed.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. This was no miracle.

500 wounded, 59 dead - one shooter, 11 minutes. It's okay to be shocked.

[cwydro]

23. I'm still reeling, and I wasn't there.

Woke up unable to sleep that night, saw on DU there was a shooter.

Turned on the TV and stayed there transfixed for three hours. Just awful.

[7962]

45. The shooting stopped when officers first got to the room; which was under 15 mins;

they waited for SWAT to breach because the firing had stopped. But they were actually on site much sooner. A security guard had found the location and was shot in the leg. He was unarmed. Thats how they found the exact room so fast. According to statements today.
He had cameras in the hallway, so maybe he saw them approach and shot himself immediately.

[joshcryer]

50. The security guard found him in around that time.

As soon as he heard the bang on the door he assumed the jig was up. Shot the door (hitting the security guard) and then offed himself.

I'm sure had he continued shooting the police would've broke in sooner but it was obvious at that moment that the threat was contained (self-contained, that is). And that basic breaching procedure would commence (everyone with armor on, swat carrying armored shields, night vision, breaching charges placed, etc).

Who knows why he stopped for sure because he had all the power here.

[SergeStorms]

62. The shooter......

fired over 200 rounds at the unarmed security guard (who was of Mexican descent, by the way). Only getting one shot in the leg is a real miracle. I suppose they'll give the guard some sort of reward for his bravery and courage. You know, $10 in gambling chips, or something like that. Remember, the guard is of Mexican descent. They wouldn't want to set a bad example for the other casinos.

[Scarsdale]

26. The miracle?

That nobody named tRump was a victim. The LV police did a wonderful job tracking him down, though.

[unblock]

4. Well,

He had cameras set up so he would know when police were arriving. Just because he killed himself doesn't mean that the police finding him had nothing to do with it.

Sounds to me like that was the plan, keep shooting until the police arrive.

Still, I could do without the "miracle" crap and the positive spin on this horrific tragedy....

[Not Ruth]

27. He also shot the security guard knocking on his door

The police figured out at that moment that something was off

[Paladin]

5. Thank you, KO. (nt)

[Princess Turandot]

8. I think he killed himself once he knew they had found him...

The killer shot/wounded a security officer who was part of the team searching for him on 3 upper floors; he shot him through the door to the suite. (He apparently saw him on a video camera he had placed somewhere in the hall.) He killed himself after that.

Personally, I think the police performed very well in a chaotic and dangerous situation. They don't deserve to be dismissed because Trump's an arsehole. (That may not have been Olbermann's intention, but it comes across that way.)

[tavernier]

12. I didn't think so

but probably because I have been a KO fan for years and knew that his message focused on the baboon who can't ever get anything right.

[Cosmocat]

24. Yep - it sure as fuck wasn't some "miracle"

It was just everyone doing their best to deal with a highly unusual, unprecedented situation.

But, pushing back on the jackass bloviating this stupidity will be spun as attacking the responders - which is part of the motive for doing it ...

[Lee-Lee]

42. That is usually exactly how these types end it

They will either cease all resistance and surrender or take their own life the moment they encounter any armed resistance.

It's very, very rare for them to exchange gunfire with cops or anyone else. They give up as soon as they know someone will be shooting back.

[GusBob]

9. Timeframe: is this correct?

He shot for 11 minutes and then stopped. ( enough time to shoot hundreds of people /shudder/)
The cops got to his room about an hour after he started shooting, he shot himself just before they got there

[onenote]

13. No. That is not correct.

The shooting stopped at 10:19, right around the time the security guard arrived and was shot. Police were outside the room by 10:24. At that point, the police treated it as a blockade situation rather than an active shooter situation and awaited the arrival of a SWAT team that breached the room at around 11:20. I don't think a time has been pinpointed as to when the shooter killed himself, but it could have been as early as right after he shot the security guard.

[GusBob]

14. Yes thank you. I found a time frame online

They were there quickly

[Achilleaze]

11. republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief is clueless

[Renew Deal]

15. Smoke alarms in the room went off

Not that hard to find

[forgotmylogin]

21. I bet that's what stopped him.

He was probably confused by the alarms.

[Cosmocat]

25. Did he run out of ammo?

When he was firing, it was 100s of bullets a minute ...

[onenote]

33. Not according to the reports I've seen.

[FakeNoose]

28. The shooter had at least 10 rifles

An automatic rifle overheats quickly when you shoot it straight out. So he threw down one gun and grabbed the next one, kept on shooting. Probably there was smoke and definitely heat, so it striggered the smoke alarms. If this guy planned everything "meticulously" as the newspapers say then he would have known the sprinklers would come on. He also would have known that the cops would find him pretty quickly and there was no exit. He knew he was either going to shoot himself (at some point), or else let the police do it.

[7962]

46. Yes! yet I've already seen stories "why 10 guns if there was only ONE shooter?"

The conspiracists are already working overtime to come up with a 9/11 type "theory"

[localroger]

52. He had a plan which he followed to the letter. Last step was suicide.

The cameras in the hallway were to make sure he would be able to finish it his own way, per the plan. He sent the girlfriend out of the country so she wouldn't have a chance to catch on. He wired the money because he knew he had no more need for it; I suspect it's sitting in a pick-up account somewhere with a password that's supposed to be discovered by a relative via some reliable mechanism in the future. This is literally the guy who thought of everything, at the far end of the "organized" end of the criminal spectrum.

[dalton99a]

18. Fucking moron

[GallopingGhost]

19. lmao,

Olbermann.

Only one problem. Baboons are smart.

[efhmc]

53. Especially compared to 45.

nt

[Loyd]

22. Keith is Great

But why is he insulting baboons like this?

[burnbaby]

30. I heard he had cameras

set up so when he saw the cops coming he then killed himself.

Yes I am defending law enforcement albeit not the site to do it on, but sometimes you have to do the right thing

[JoeStuckInOH]

34. Umm, it took them over an HOUR to stop him. how is that fast?

[barbtries]

41. there ya go.

every story i have read or heard indicates that the shooting went on for at least 10 minutes, and you could see the flash of the gun from the hotel window. i don't know, maybe they got there as fast as humanly possible, but i am skeptical in that respect.

[Lee-Lee]

44. No, he stopped in about 11 minutes as soon as they located his room

He fired out the door at the security guard at the point but never fired out the window again past them, and likely killed himself right then or shortly thereafter.

By locating his room and him being aware they found him that stopped him. Once he stopped firing out the window they treated it as a barricaded person case and didn't rush in but went with caution in case he had boobytrapped the room.

[cwydro]

55. I so appreciate your wisdom on this.

You have an outlook that most here do not appreciate.

Some of us do.

[kwassa]

56. You are speculating. You don't know.

Here is my speculation. He stopped shooting after 11 minutes because his targets were gone. There was no living person that hadn't made it off the field. I don't see any reason to think that the police stopped him from shooting further.

And you have no idea when he killed himself. It makes much more sense that he killed himself when he saw on video the SWAT team finally show up a half hour after the security guard, and he knew at that point he couldn't fight them off.

[Lee-Lee]

60. It's the standard behavior of these types

Look at almost all the active shooter cases in history- when armed response and resistance of any kind shows up they either immediately off themselves or they give up.

It's in the psychology of shooters like this.

That is why one of the lessons learned after Columbine is you can't just wait for SWAT to go in when you have cases like this. Instead you have to move toward the sound of the shooters as soon as you have 2 or 3 people. You get to them as fast as possible and maybe you get lucky and kill them, maybe you just disrupt their plans and they shoot at you instead of anyone else and at least you have changed their focus away from civilians. And psychology and experience shows that as soon as you make the presence of armed resistance known most of them are eitehr going to give up or take themselves out.

He had a view that spanned a huge chunk of a very active part of Las Vegas, and there were still wounded people on the ground, people tending to them, people getting up and running from cover- there is no way that whole area was totally free of people in just a few highly chaotic minutes.

[kwassa]

65. I think anyone that could move was out of that field in 11 minutes.

I still think he ran out of viable targets. He wasn't practicing marksmanship, he was spraying an inaccurate weapon in a high volume of fire over a wide area that emptied out. He probably couldn't hit anyone he actually aimed at.

And I agree with you that the shooter has to be approached by LEOs as a soon as possible. I would really like to know why the SWAT team took so long to get there. 75 minutes is hardly quick. If the suspect was firing through the doors, police should be there firing back, not coming back a half hour later as a SWAT team.

He also knew what was coming due to his video setup in the hallway, so he didn't need to stop before he had to.

[Lee-Lee]

66. The SWAT team was there before 75 minutes

It was 75 minutes before they used explosives to breach the door and enter the room. They were in the hallway well before that.

It's a very high risk maneuver to go trough the only door into a place where someone who is armed and willing to shoot you is on the other side. Typically SWAT uses multiple measures to try and determine how many people are in, where they are, etc before they go in. It's high risk to be even in the hallway outside. Unlike the movies walls don't always stop bullets, so depending on how the building was constructed even standing near the door was very risky if he decided to shoot through the wall.

Since he had ceased active shooting at people outside the need to rush in as fast changed and allowed them to use a more cautious approuch. Had he actually started shooting out the window again that would have changed the assessment yet made on what risk they were willing to take and they would have gone in faster with less caution.

[ecstatic]

57. But the point still remains that he wasn't stopped. He chose to stop

The cops didn't physically stop him. If he had continued to shoot at the rate he started at, over 500 people would be dead. Thank goodness he didn't have help.

[Lee-Lee]

59. By moving to him they changed his focus and that stopped him

This is where standard active shooter response tactics aim for. The lesson learned after Columbine was that you can't just contain and wait for SWAT where there is someone actively shooting because doing that let's them kill much longer.

So what every cop is trained to do now is move to the location as fast as you can. You don't wait for special weapons to arrive, you don't wait for the guys with heavy body armor, as an individual officer you grab what is available to you and as soon as you have 2 or 3 officers on scene you move toward the sound of the shooting. Your intent is to get to that shooter as fast as you can and disrupt his actions. Maybe you can shoot and stop him. Maybe all you can do is make him aware you are there and get shot at, but if he is shooting at you then he can't be shooting at anyone else so that still disrupts his killing.

And the pattern for these types is very clear, overwhelmingly as soon as anyone, law enforcement or not, shows up who also has a gun and will shoot back they either kill themselves or just give up. It is very, very rare for them to continue trying to carry out their plan once armed resistance is felt by them.

Yes, they stopped him. The LMPD and security there didna textbook job of moving toward the sound of a shooter and disrupting his plans and making the fact that resistance was there known. That stopped him and led to his decision to kill himself.

[ecstatic]

63. Interesting. OK, you've changed my opinion. Thanks. nt

[Lee-Lee]

64. Is all about stopping the killing- be it with a gun or knife or anything

When a person is attacking people who can't defend themselves they don't have distractions.

As soon as any armed resistance- or any resistance but unarmed is far less effective- shows up they have to change their focus and fight the resistance. If they don't, they get killed or stopped. When they change the focus to self-preservation against gay resistance at that monent they plan has been disrupted and they can no longer harm who their targets were. That stops the killing and wounding even if it doesn't kill them. If the person is shooting at or hiding from police or anyone else giving resistance they are stopped even if alive.

And almost always at the point they either give up or they take their own life as what they see as a last act of defiance so that they control how it ends.

The way LVMPD and the security at the hotel reacted was textbook- the first officers on the scene and the security moved in, they didn't wait for specialized officers or equipment. They moved in without body armor rates to stop rifles and without the kinds of weapons SWAT carries because even outgunned and at high risk if they found him they would change his focus and him shooting at them was preferable to him continuing to shoot at civilians.

[Gothmog]

35. Trump is an idiot

[TheBlackAdder]

36. Perhaps motorized ben wahs are interfering with his thoughts.

[Oneironaut]

37. I would give Trump a pass on this one.

The shooter did kill himself, but wasn't it because the police were about to shoot him? I don't think he would have killed himself had that police not been there. They did a great job isolating the shooter so quickly.

[7962]

47. Thank you. Sanity prevails.

Olberman is too full of himself to actually listen to the police explain what happened. I've just never liked him.

[Skittles]

38. he killed himself because the police found him

[barbtries]

40. i gotta go find that tweet.

the responses are bound to entertain.

it's damn near unreal how disconnected and stupid he is. trump i mean. the president. of this country.

[Hamlette]

43. it wasn't a miracle, it was a smoke detector.

[Scurrilous]

48. K&R

[Major Nikon]

49. I still think Rex Tillerson said it best

[FailureToCommunicate]

51. +1

[SunSeeker]

58. Air Moron

[SergeStorms]

61. That's one of those minor details....

that Trump never gets to read in his PDB. If there's not a picture, or mention of his name in the first few sentences, he loses all interest and turns on "Fox and Friends". Those PDBs are much to vague for his liking.