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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 01:52 PM Oct 2017

Paddock reminds me of William Krar, especially in having such large caches of weapons, ammo,

and explosives/ bio weapons.

And in the similar surprise that someone amassing such would be planning to commit atrocities.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/21/usa.terrorism

William Krar and Judith Bruey appeared a perfectly normal couple. Certainly Teresa Staples thought so. She remembered a polite, sociable couple who always paid their rent on time for the three garages they rented from her.
~~~

She was right. Among a terrifying arsenal of guns, bullets and bombs, the FBI found a chemical cyanide bomb. Used in a shopping mall, a stadium or a subway, it could have killed thousands. 'I was terrified. I live here with my children and they had that terrible stuff in there,' Staples said.
~~~

But FBI agents uncovered the cache of weapons hidden behind them. More weapons were found at Krar and Bruey's secluded home in the pine woods that surround Tyler. Eventually the haul totalled 500,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 60 pipe bombs, other remote-controlled bombs disguised as brief cases, and dozens of machineguns, silencers, pistols, mines and explosives.

And, inside an ammunition cannister, was the sodium cyanide, next to quantities of acid that would act as a trigger for the device, reacting with the cyanide to release a cloud of lethal gas.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

(CNN)Stephen Paddock, who sent bullets and terror down on thousands attending a Jason Aldean concert in Las Vegas, had an arsenal in his 32nd-floor hotel room and at his home 80 miles away, officials said.

Police recovered 23 guns from his Las Vegas hotel room and another 19 guns from Paddock's home in Mesquite, Nevada, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Todd Fasulo said.

Authorities said Paddock killed 59 people and injured another 527 early Monday in the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history.

But what they couldn't explain is why the man who had never faced any notable criminal charges did it. There was no known motive late Monday.
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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
2. If not for DU, I probably wouldn't have either. There were quite a few threads on it back in the day
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 02:23 PM
Oct 2017

I think I recall some threads about Ashcroft being very quiet about this while yelling about terror every other minute of the day.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
3. Yes, as Paul Krugman noted in the NYT. Bruey was released in 2008
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 03:56 PM
Oct 2017

From Wikipedia:

As per a lookup at the Bureau of Prisons prisoner database on September 18, 2012, Krar (09751-078) was listed as deceased on May 7, 2009, Bruey (10601-078) was released on May 30, 2008, and no information is available for Edward Feltus.

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Paul Krugman writing in the New York Times noted how John Ashcroft and the US Justice Department gave no comment or press release about the case, in constrast to other foiled plots of international terrorism. Krugman's piece was noted in Congress by John Conyers. The Christian Science Monitor noted in December 2003 "there have been two government press releases and a handful of local stories, but no press conference and no coverage in the national newspapers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_poison_gas_plot

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
5. Thanks. Yes it was Krugman's article I remember. Lots of info on that wiki page. Many details
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 05:47 PM
Oct 2017

I had not seen before.

One item not there is a traffic stop Krar had. I think he had ammo and things like duct tape. I remember commenting in an old thread about it. I also remember articles about this being scrubbed from news websites shortly after release.

Scary that Bruey was released so soon and no info on Feltus.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
11. A licensing system for ammunition purchase would find these sickos real quick.
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 03:43 AM
Oct 2017

Large purchases at once or over time would trigger a friendly visit from ATF agents. Even just a tracking system would do the job.

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