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question everything

(47,538 posts)
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:03 AM Oct 2017

I don't understand about that "dossier"

Yes, we had fun with it and DUers rose to the occasion to add their explanation. One of the few times that I was really laughing reading posts here.

But... what does it mean about Whiny Donny? Yes, he traveled to Russia; he had business dealings there, he secured loans (and we can wonder what collateral) but besides the "salacious" details, what were the investigation team expecting to fund?

Just curious. Thanks

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I don't understand about that "dossier" (Original Post) question everything Oct 2017 OP
Document greeny2323 Oct 2017 #1
Curious what's so funny about it? bettyellen Oct 2017 #2
Read this question everything Oct 2017 #4
I guess the part where they could blackmail our current president matters more to me bettyellen Oct 2017 #5
having someone pee on a bed because you hate President Obama isn't kink Skittles Oct 2017 #11
This is true, but my point was the salacious hooker shit is overhyped compared to the blackmail and bettyellen Oct 2017 #17
It's because Americans are obsessed with sex and violence misanthrope Oct 2017 #16
I downloaded it in Jan or Feb and it is very easy reading. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #3
OK, I went back and searched DU question everything Oct 2017 #6
I remember the looks on the faces of congressional members after they BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #7
Read the document blogslut Oct 2017 #8
Isn't it about Roseneft oil deal for 19 billion dollars dewsgirl Oct 2017 #9
Posted about it on Latest Breaking News in January, when the story broke. Denzil_DC Oct 2017 #10
The dossier has been proven to be true...and in the end will bring this awful president down. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #12
Mueller is investigating criminality of money laundering implicit in the Trump/Russia dossier deals wishstar Oct 2017 #13
I agree...Trump needs to go before he literally destroys the world Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #19
It means that potentially embarrassing/impicating information about the president... Orsino Oct 2017 #14
The pee tapes are likely the least important part of it... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #15
Remember, Republicans are in charge of all invesigations.. ananda Oct 2017 #18
 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
1. Document
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:06 AM
Oct 2017

I haven't read it myself, but my understanding is that if the core of the dossier is true, then the Trump campaign committed illegal acts by colluding with a hostile foreign power (Russia).

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. I guess the part where they could blackmail our current president matters more to me
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:26 AM
Oct 2017

And also, I've already met plenty of kinky people, am generally a bit blase about the whole thing. Anyway - it's suck a small part of the dossier- one of he few parts that isnt confirmed..... yet.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. This is true, but my point was the salacious hooker shit is overhyped compared to the blackmail and
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:21 PM
Oct 2017

Collusion. And even though you're right it's demented I fell like a lot of guys are like "ohhh hookers" and they need to grow up and get over it.

misanthrope

(7,431 posts)
16. It's because Americans are obsessed with sex and violence
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 11:57 AM
Oct 2017

The only part they care about is the salacious stuff.

BigmanPigman

(51,636 posts)
3. I downloaded it in Jan or Feb and it is very easy reading.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:22 AM
Oct 2017

I do not read/comprehend well since I have ADD but even I was able to follow it. It goes into the whole history of how Russia and 45 became linked.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

question everything

(47,538 posts)
6. OK, I went back and searched DU
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:27 AM
Oct 2017

and it said that there were exchange of information, including classified briefing given to Congress.

BigmanPigman

(51,636 posts)
7. I remember the looks on the faces of congressional members after they
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:53 AM
Oct 2017

read the whole thing (not just the part we can read) and it scared the shit out of me. Diane Feinstein's face looked like she saw a ghost.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
9. Isn't it about Roseneft oil deal for 19 billion dollars
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 01:02 AM
Oct 2017

In exchange for lifting sanctions part of the dossier? Sorry going by memory here.

Denzil_DC

(7,276 posts)
10. Posted about it on Latest Breaking News in January, when the story broke.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:04 AM
Oct 2017
These Reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia

Source: BuzzFeed

A dossier making explosive — but unverified — allegations that the Russian government has been “cultivating, supporting and assisting” President-elect Donald Trump for years and gained compromising information about him has been circulating among elected officials, intelligence agents, and journalists for weeks.

The dossier, which is a collection of memos written over a period of months, includes specific, unverified and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives, and graphic claims of sexual acts documented by the Russians. CNN reported Tuesday that a two-page synopsis of the report was given to President Barack Obama and Trump.

Now BuzzFeed News is publishing the full document so that Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government.

The document was prepared for political opponents of Trump by a person who is understood to be a former British intelligence agent. It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and is also populated by the very wealthy.

Read more: https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia
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Direct link to the UNVERIFIED document: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html


OP: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141661349


Then a follow-up:

Head of MI6 used information from Trump dossier in first public speech

Source: The Independent

The head of MI6 used information obtained by former officer Christopher Steele in his Trump investigation, in a warning against Russian cyberattacks and attempts to subvert Western democracies, The Independent has learned.

Sir Alex Younger's briefing notes for his first public speech as head of the Secret Intelligence Service contained some of the material supplied by Mr Steele, according to security sources. Drawing on the alleged hacking carried out by Moscow in the US presidential campaign, he warned of the danger facing Britain and Western European allies, and especially to elections due to be held next year.

Security sources stress that MI6 had extensive information, British and international, on the Russian threat apart from that of Mr Steele. But they pointed out that he is held in high regard and the contribution he provided was valuable.

In one of his recent tweets, Mr Trump described Mr Steele as a failed spy. He also claimed in another tweet that "James Clapper {director of national intelligence} called me yesterday to denounce the false and fictitious report that was illegally circulated. Made up, phony facts. Too bad!"

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dossier-mi6-christopher-steele-russia-documents-alex-younger-a7528681.html

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More about Steele's professional reputation at the link. So let's kill this meme some are trying to push that Steele is some sort of flaky maverick limelighter.

The article also gives a little more background into the UK intelligence services' current concerns.

OP: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141666849


Folks predictably focused on the "pee tape" aspect, but that's really just one salty facet (not that the prospect of the president possibly being blackmailed is no cause for concern).

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
12. The dossier has been proven to be true...and in the end will bring this awful president down.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 06:31 AM
Oct 2017

The salacious stuff is only part of it although I have no doubt, it is true. As for traveling to Russia...he has been laundering money for Russia for years. I don't laugh about what Trump has done...he is a fucking Russian spy basically.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
13. Mueller is investigating criminality of money laundering implicit in the Trump/Russia dossier deals
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 07:12 AM
Oct 2017

These criminals are so skillful at moving around money using shell companies and foreign banks and fake loans that are really payoffs, to obfuscate whats really going on, knowing their lives are in danger if they expose the schemes, so successful prosecution seems incredibly difficult.

But if, any group of investigators can expose and prosecute, I bet on Mueller and his team

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
14. It means that potentially embarrassing/impicating information about the president...
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 08:49 AM
Oct 2017

...is likely in the hands of many foreign governments and private individuals.

A stronger president might defy this leverage, but poor dumb Donald has a pathological fear of embarrassment.

Wounded Bear

(58,721 posts)
15. The pee tapes are likely the least important part of it...
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:27 AM
Oct 2017

It's all about ties to Russians and the availability of leverage by Russians over Trump and his crew.

Hell, we now know they were negotiating Trump Tower Moscow during the transition. There has to be a quid pro quo in there somewhere.

ananda

(28,878 posts)
18. Remember, Republicans are in charge of all invesigations..
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:28 PM
Oct 2017

.. even the ones pretending to be mature and unbiased.

Notice, with all the evidence so far.. and it is more than enough ..
nothing is happening on the indictment or prosecution front.

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