Joe Biden for 2020

[louis c]

It's early and Joe's old, but there is too much at stake.

This country MUST remove Donald Trump in 2020, if he is not impeached, or he does not resign, before that.

It has been my experience that when we want to remove any unpopular incumbent from office, all you need is an opponent that people are comfortable with.

The VP's slot is the one that would be worth having for any new Democratic up and comer. We need Bernie and his supporters on board.

But if we enter the next Presidential election cycle divided and disorganized and we get beat by this fucking moron again, we deserve what we get.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Joe should have run the last time and surely would have won...

Not sure whether that door has closed.

[Not Ruth]

10. Bernie would have won the primary

Joe would have split votes with Hillary

[mainstreetonce]

16. Yes I believe that is why he didn't run.

I believe Barack thought if Joe entered
Bernie would be nominated.
Hillary could beat Trump,but Bernie couldn't.

I think at the time they decided Joe shouldn't run,they were sure Hillary could win.


Go Joe 2020.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

25. The polling showed that Bernie would beat Trump. Hillary wouldn't.

Joe is too old and it is much too early.

It's horrifying the way only old names ever seem to be suggested here for 2020.

[bettyellen]

35. The same polling showed Hillary trouncing Trump- so what is your point?

[charlyvi]

36. +1000

[bettyellen]

37. And those that attacked HRC totally believed it- they thought they could be contrarians without

consequences. They were wrong.

[charlyvi]

39. And we all will pay for it

for a generation. Sigh.

[sheshe2]

44. Generations.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

50. At least, especially if the Nazi-in-Chief gets another Supreme Court.nomination...

Why this last election had disastrous consequences.

[charlyvi]

53. Not just the Supreme Court

McConnell's Senate refused to seat many, many Obama nominees to lower courts. They are filling them fast and furious now.....with Federalist Society nutjobs. The damage will take our children's lifetimes to correct.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

45. No. The polling showed Hillary would lose to Trump.

That's my point.

[bettyellen]

62. The polling that matters- after the primary- all said HRC took it. It tightened at the end-

Becasue if the Comey thing. But let's be honest, most people assumed she would take it- and felt too comfy kicking her because of that polling.


All respected polling had her winning the last three months. If you find one that said otherwise- it's just that one outlier among dozens and dozens.

But you seem to be talking about the polling way early - during the primaries- which is ridiculous and not actually a topic open for discussion here.

[lunamagica]

85. Do you believe in polling after what happened last year? Virtually every poll for the GE

had Hillary trouncing trump.

To say that Sanders would have won the presidency because a poll in the primary said he would is absurd.

[StevieM]

93. The polls showed HRC winning, which she would have without the Comey intervention. (eom)

[Kaleva]

71. You're missing the numerous threads promoting new names for 2020

Amy Klobuchar

Al Franken

Kamala Devi Harris

Joaquín Castro

Joseph P. Kennedy III

Julian Castro

Adam Schiff

Michelle Obama

[StevieM]

94. If the early polling in 2013 and 2014 had shown Biden leading HRC then he would have gotten

into the race.

Nobody pressured Joe not to run. He made the choice not to. It was the voters who kept him out.

[karynnj]

78. Maybe just as likely, Hillary might have won as Joe and Bernie split the vote

Both Hillary and Bernie had some core supporters who were heart and soul for them. I actually think there were more of them for HRC. Here at DU, which always leans left, you can see nearly a year after the election a very large group of posters, who are almost as hurt for the lost of the dream they had for a Clinton Presidency as the horror of Trump. I also think there were a group of people who Bernie inspired. Those people would not have changed if the race became HRC, Bernie and Biden.

The question is who would lose more of the less attached people to Biden. There were some people with Bernie as the Anybody but Clinton candidate. There were also some of those people for Clinton seeing her as more mainstream (she is) or as the continuation of the still loved Obama Presidency. I have no idea the relative size of these groups -- or the percent of them that would shift to Biden as, for them, he is more what they want. (Note Biden was considered to be one of the least hawkish people, while HRC was among the most in teh Obama administration)

[delisen]

64. even tho voted for Iraq War Resolution?

and was a leader in pro-big bank credit card legislation?


I don't know that he would have had immunity from targeting by Russian propaganda or will in the future-guess it depends on his position on sanctions and human rights.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. Troubling for sure, but "lunch bucket"Joe would've connected w/ rust-belt voters is all I'm sayin...

and, thus, likely would have won had he run.

[delisen]

74. I don't see him winning in 2016

I think he would have been mincemeat under Russian cyber onslaught.. and the lunch-bucket Joe image would have been shattered.

[Horse with no Name]

2. I agree

And I know that we need a new, fresh candidate but on the other hand, everyone loves Joe.
We can put a new fresh candidate as VP.

[louis c]

3. you grasp my entire point

Thanks.

[WheelWalker]

82. Yes.

[4now]

4. No Thanks

[louis c]

5. Your suggestion, please

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Hint: starts with a "B"

[stevenleser]

80. Buttigieg! nt

[chillfactor]

6. No I disagree...

we need a younger candidate....Joe should have run this past election......he missed his chance.

[romana]

7. No

He tried twice, he failed twice. Saying he'd have won in 2016 is an argument with no basis in reality.

[dsc]

8. I have no real opinion on Biden

but I do love the notion that he is so much more progressive than Hillary. Biden wrote the crime bill for which Hillary was pilloried, he sponsored the bancrupcy bill for which she was pilloried, he was a drug warrior to beat the band, opposed abortion rights for the early part of his career. Now I could easily see my self voting for him, even in the primaries, but I supported her. I find it pretty hard to take the notion the Biden is some progressive champion while Hillary is a centrist horror story.

[joeybee12]

9. Thanks

Are there trolls posting he's so progressive or just people clueless about anything about Joe's career?

[bettyellen]

34. Clueless- he was also very very close w banks credit card companies....

Makes me laugh every time a "progressive" says they love him. HRC was always a lot more progressive.

[NurseJackie]

43. Thank you!

It was never about being "progressive" at all... was it?

[charlyvi]

56. Gee.

I wonder what it was then. Wink. Wink.

[romana]

12. And lets not forget

And lets not forget the absolutely awful way he allowed Anita Hill to be treated. Some of us have never forgotten that.

[pnwmom]

26. Some people apparently never cared about that, but millions of us do. n/t

[Danmel]

65. Not to mention how he treated Anita Hill.

He's too old. We need new blood.

[Spy Car]

11. IMO no Democrat is better matched to defeat Trump than Joe Biden.

Biden connects with blue-collar voters (including many who may be regretting their votes in 2016) while remaining well-liked by liberals and progressives.

And Biden's sincerity and humanity stand in the sharpest contrast with the character of Donald Trump

I'm sure many Democrats (myself included) would hope for a young candidate who'd lead the party into the future. And we have some rising stars. But still, it seems to me that none is as perfect a foil to Donald Trump as Joe Biden.

[bettyellen]

31. Blue collar - you mean the WWC rust belt dudes who hate liberal? Yeah, nope. After Anita Hill-

VP as far as Joe is ever going. Women won't have it.

[Cryptoad]

60. Welcome to DU,,,,,Comrade!

[Lisa0825]

13. I love Joe, but no. nt

[Gidney N Cloyd]

14. No, but I'd love to see him come in for 4 years or so as Sec'y of State and clean that mess up.

Whoever our nominee is, they could make it public early on that Joe's going to be on the team.

[Bleacher Creature]

15. Maybe. Or maybe not. Lets wait and see where we are in a couple of years.

A LOT can happen between now and then. Will Trump be in office, or will we be stuck running against creepy Mike Pence? Will people be in the mood for a steady, experienced old hand, or will they want someone new? We just don’t know, and fortunately we don’t have to decide right now, or any time before the mid-terms (which often shed light on the direction of the electorate).

But I promise you this: if Biden fits the bill and is feeling up to it, I’d be behind him 100%. Same goes for Hillary (who has earned the right to change her mind anytime).

[Gothmog]

17. K&R

[bobbieinok]

18. TOO OLD!!

Surely democrats have younger strong people/candidates!!

Or is the national party in the place the OK party has long been?? No thorough training of young democrats to get involved in politics? In the 90s I listened to a heart-felt analysis of the situation in OK - the GOP had a strong, well-funded program to train future GOP office holders; the democrats zilch, nada.

[obamanut2012]

19. No

And, I like Biden, although Anita Hill's treatment will always bother me.

But no.

Never.

[left-of-center2012]

20. No, or -- absolutely not!

As JFK said:

"The torch has been passed" to a younger generation.

[ClarendonDem]

21. He'd be my choice

Although that can change a year from now. He would have been my preference in 2016 as well.

[samnsara]

22. Joes got my vote. When he talks everyone listens...

[pnwmom]

23. I'd prefer someone who supported Anita Hill when she was testifying against Clarence Thomas

or is too young to have been around then.

Millions of women were first introduced to Joe Biden as a result of that fiasco. He's not everybody's favorite.

[LakeArenal]

24. Nobody until 2019.

We need to focus on 2018.

[bettyellen]

28. Not after Anita Hill, he isn't. Plus close w/banks- bad w Berniecrats too.

[Motley13]

29. Love him, but too old

so are Hillary
Elizabeth Warren
Bernie

Any of the older people would be a one term president

YOUNG BLOOD please

[Tavarious Jackson]

30. Joe has my vote nt

[marylandblue]

32. I think we need someone new and young

I like Biden, but he has a lot of vulnerabilities that Trump can exploit. We need someone young and dynamic, someone who hasn't been in Washington too long, and can present a very sharp contrast with the Dotard.

[marybourg]

33. Well, if tRump's "election"

proved anything, it's that a candidate doesn't have to be perfect to win. Or even competent.

[romana]

41. Sure

If you’re a white male. Everyone else has to be perfect.

[Purveyor]

38. Joe would beat Trump. I'm good with it. nt

[charlyvi]

40. NO TO JOE

Former vice president Joe Biden returned to national politics Tuesday during an afternoon rally in Alabama for Democratic Senate nominee Doug Jones, and his speech was a striking departure from his party’s current tone.

As Jones smiled from across the podium, Biden treated the crowd of about 1,000 people to a riff on the Senate’s glory days — days when the party included segregationists.

“I’ve been around so long, I worked with James Eastland,” said Biden, referring to a segregationist senator from Mississippi. “Even in the days when I got there, the Democratic Party still had seven or eight old-fashioned Democratic segregationists. You’d get up and you’d argue like the devil with them. Then you’d go down and have lunch or dinner together. The political system worked. We were divided on issues, but the political system worked.”

Biden talked wistfully about Washington’s old politics, even showing off his vocal impression of the last Democrat to represent Alabama in the Senate, Howell Heflin. (Richard C. Shelby, the state’s senior senator, was elected as a Democrat but switched to the GOP in the 1990s.)

I mean, sure, we’d debate whether lynching should be legal, but then we’d have some great steak dinners and scotch and some laughs and then do the same thing the next day. Truly the good old days!

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/10/no-to-joe

He isn't what we need at this point in our politics. His outlook is simply too reactionary.

[DonViejo]

42. Time to pass the torch to a new generation..

Not a baby boomer

[louis c]

49. Give me a name

Don't give me several, because we need a single spokesperson, now.

If we go through a divisive, bruising primary, we will give Trump and the Russians the advantage

[DonViejo]

52. Yes, SIR!

I'm interested in Kamala Harris.

You can forget about not having a primary, especially if the moron isn't on the ballot but Pence is.

[louis c]

57. Without Trump on the ballot, all bets are off, I agree

but we need a spokesperson now that the American people will feel comfortable with, and Harris isn't there.

Her name recognition is in the 20's and we need a spokesperson, now.

If it was anyone but Trump, I'd say let the chips fall where they may. But Trump, in a second term, will be evil unleashed. This country will never recover from 8 years of Trump, the supreme court, the lower judges, the laws.

We have to settle on a name now, and that person has to be the alternative, like in a parliamentary system.

[karynnj]

83. The primaries serve a purpose and short circuiting them would be a mistake

From my perspective, the 2008 primaries with something like 23 debates and far tougher attacks than in 2016 was later spun as having "tested" Obama. In reality, it did. It showed that he could, for the most part, take many attacks, deflect them and get a positive message out. The fact that he won the primaries against the Clinton team made it clear that he was a very strong, tough candidate. Also, anyone watching the very early debates -- a year before the primaries when most people are not yet engaged - he improved immensely from those first few debates.

2016 was a close election -- and as in any close election - it is easy to blame many many things happening for the loss. The idea that it was attacks from the primaries is one of the weakest - even though HRC argued for that. The primary attacks from Sanders and O'Malley were milder than in any election I remember. The things that caused HRC trouble in the primary period were mostly things unrelated to the primaries - like how she handled the email situation that she caused in the first place. What were those attacks? That she was too close to WS? Do you seriously think that the Republicans would not have made an issue of the paid talks had it never been mentioned by O'Malley and Sanders? Not to mention, would SHE have agreed that she was to blame had Obama lost in 2008 because she had an ad suggesting he was too inexperienced to answer the 3 AM call -- and in many speeches she repeated that and even said that she AND JOHN MCCAIN were. Al Gore was the first to bring up Willie Horton against Dukakis.

In ANY general election, many attacks are repeats of the primaries. Dean called Kerry, who was actually pretty consistent over his long public life, a flip flopper. However that is an attack used against virtually any Senator who ever ran. A different example shows where an unfair primary attack - handled well - keeps it out of the general election. Dean attacked Kerry as too involved with lobbyists. Kerry responded by putting out a list of every meeting he had with a lobbyist in the then past 15 years - saying he could defend himself on any. In 2008, CREW asked Clinton, Obama, McCain and Edwards to follow the "Kerry precedent" --none of them did. That accusation was not repeated in the general election.

[treestar]

76. Time to win

Whatever it takes

[lunamagica]

88. A baby boomer could be in their early to mid-fifties. That's not to old

[Mike Nelson]

46. I say the same thing...

...as I do with Hillary, Bernie, Elizabeth or any other senior - if they want to run, it's their call. Of course, Joe would be infinitely better than Trump or his Republican challenger. I don't expect Biden would win the primary, but if he does - I expect him to win the popular vote, with my enthusiastic support! Now, with the Republicans and Russians involved, I hope he wins by 60% or more - that could be the margin we'll need by 2020.

[rainin]

47. Michelle Obama!!!! n/t

[Cryptoad]

59. Welcome to DU,,,,,Comrade!

[NBachers]

48. I'd love to see Trump try to stalk him on the debate stage.

[Motley13]

54. Chris Murphy, CT

[TDale313]

55. No, please.

No Biden. No Bernie. No Hillary. We need a fresh face. I like all three, but it’s time look to the future.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

58. I like Joe, so I'm good with it, if no one else can unite the country against Trump. n/m

[doc03]

61. I like Joe but don't we have someone that isn't on Medicare? nt

[angrychair]

63. With all due respect, No

No to Joe (74 yrs old)
No to Bernie (76 yrs old)
No to Hillary (69 yrs old)
No to Elizabeth (68 yrs old)

We need someone younger than 60

Two most successful Democratic Presidents:
Bill Clinton- two term: 46 in 1993 and 54 when he left office.

Barack Obama- two terms: 47 in 2009 and 55 when he left office.


We have options. We can be successful in 2018 and 2020 but we need to focus on 2018 first.

[Persondem]

66. While I would certainly vote for Joe, there are better possibilities ...

I think a candidate like the current governor of Washington state, Jay Inslee would be a great candidate.

He was a popular congressman, a two term governor, author of a book on clean energy, a liberal voting record, not afraid to add estate taxes, supported a measure to legalize gay marriage, was very critical of the Gulf War, a "Friend of the National Parks" per the NPCA.

I am not saying it has to be Inslee, but his record looks like pretty good mix of executive and legislative experience. I would hope that our 2020 nominee has a similar political resume.

[WhiteTara]

67. Joe is a 3 time primary loser.

I don't think he should run. The majority of Democrats haven't wanted him for years.

[longship]

69. I absolutely adore Joe, but Jill will veto that idea quickly.

If she has not already. That is, presuming that some DUers' (dare I say) delusions are correct.

Joe has already basically said no. Why some people won't take him at his word, I'll never know. I guess some folks think he's lying, or something.

Strange!

Better yet, let's leave 2020 go until we get through 2018.

I frankly don't give a damn who will run for president in 2020. At least not now. Not with very important midterms coming up next year; the most important election of my 69 years is next year, not 2020. If we don't get together next year, it might not matter who runs in 2020!!

[guillaumeb]

70. He would be 77.

Perhaps it is time for a younger generation to take up the burden.

[treestar]

77. Includes Bernie too

He would be 78

[guillaumeb]

95. I know, and my message remains the same.

I am not saying that age is a hindrance to developing a new message, but at some point each generation should relinquish the stage.

[DavidDvorkin]

72. I really want young blood.

[mvd]

73. I like him personally, but as of now would support Bernie or Elizabeth Warren

People like Sherrod Brown and Kamala Harris are also better choices. Progressives will not like Joe’s past record any more than Hillary’s. There are indications of a very recent shift on Biden’s part, but it’s not a sure thing. He’s also part of the past. I am thinking our VP candidate should be someone more like Biden.

[volstork]

75. Joe is a no-go.

He has my admiration, but he is not the right candidate for 2020.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/10/no-to-joe

[Hekate]

79. I thought that Hillary was too old, in some minds. Joe is older.

[lunamagica]

89. But he's a man!

[Hekate]

90. So, so true.

[stevenleser]

81. I love Joe. Sadly I think he is too old, as are Hillary and Sanders. I'd like to see Buttigieg. nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

84. I would have wholeheartedly supported Biden last year,

But I don't think he could pull it off without the "third term" Obama momentum.

[USALiberal]

86. Too old IMO nt

[WheelWalker]

87. I'm in for Joe.

[jcmaine72]

91. Nope. I'll take Sherrod Brown for the win.

A progressive with rust belt appeal. Great combo.

[Yupster]

92. Sounds like a good pick

to me.