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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,304 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:41 AM Oct 2017

The Rock Test: A Hack for Men Who Dont Want To Be Accused of Sexual Harassment

https://medium.com/annevictoriaclark/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af

Are you a man confused on how to treat the women you work with? Do you feel like if you can’t say or do *anything* you don’t know what to say or do at all? Well stress no more! This life hack will have you treating women like people in no time.

From Harvey Weinstein to like all of Uber, it seems each day a wealthy and powerful man is being brought down by accusations of sexual harassment or assault. And just today the New York Times reported that men are becoming less likely to mentor females out of fear.

(snip)

While navigating professional relationships can often require that dreaded thing known as “any amount of work at all”, there is hope. You see, by following this one simple rule, you too can interact with women as people.

It’s as clear cut as this: Treat all women like you would treat Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.


I cackled. Having seen and heard sentiments along the lines of "It's gotten so you can't ________ anymore!" here and in other progressive circles, I thought this might be helpful to some.
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The Rock Test: A Hack for Men Who Dont Want To Be Accused of Sexual Harassment (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 OP
So, statements like "Nice dress" are out. Wednesdays Oct 2017 #1
Oh no, I think we're still good there. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2017 #7
Dunno. How do you feel if a man tells you "Nice tie"? TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #44
That actually happened to me and I was fine with it. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #45
I think it would matter how often the compliments come also TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #46
That Was Funny! ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #2
So what if the Rock flirts with you? Major Nikon Oct 2017 #3
Still having issues figuring out what sexual harassment is? How sad for you bettyellen Oct 2017 #34
You have my vote for the non-sequitur award Major Nikon Oct 2017 #38
Feigning confusion as to what sexual harassment is an ugly slippery slope and you're on it. bettyellen Oct 2017 #39
You seem to be quite proud of your non-sequiturs Major Nikon Oct 2017 #40
I think it's on all of us to call out this "how will I know I'm harassing" bullshit because it's bettyellen Oct 2017 #41
Kick if you SMEEEEEELLLLL WHAT THIS LADY IS.....cooking! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2017 #4
Somebody, Like, needs to not write like they talk.. snooper2 Oct 2017 #5
Welcome to the Internet! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #9
I sat next to a young woman and man in the airport Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #19
That sounds different than using it once in a humor column to make a hyperbolic point. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #20
Sure. But again, this is old Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #21
The breezy, ironically detached tone implied by the judicious use of "like" as well as other WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #24
That's, like, a really fascinating analysis. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #37
Forerynel leahtrian! kcr Oct 2017 #12
I posted below before reading replies. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #30
Hum bad call, the Rock is groped all the time Exultant Democracy Oct 2017 #6
um, yeah, grope a woman like you would grope the rock- mopinko Oct 2017 #11
Not really the same thing Merlot Oct 2017 #14
Taylor Swift would disagree. Exultant Democracy Oct 2017 #27
Good one! Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #8
'This... will have you treating women like people in no time" whathehell Oct 2017 #10
"Handman's Tale" DetlefK Oct 2017 #13
Bwahahaha! A classic! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #15
That was awsome! Thanks for posting! Merlot Oct 2017 #16
You mean not sexually harassing people makes you less likely mythology Oct 2017 #17
Right? It's incredible. Who knew? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #18
I prefer holding an aspirin between my legs maxrandb Oct 2017 #22
After working in a matriarchy for over 45 years it was simple mitch96 Oct 2017 #23
I can't imagine why not calling women "pretty" at work sucks so bad for you. nt. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #29
Or why they feel they need to comment on co-workers' appearances at all. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #31
Because it's a great conversation starter before asking them out on a date. Duh. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #32
Hee! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #33
That's what happens when you worked mitch96 Oct 2017 #35
I can't imagine how bad it bothered you. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #36
" I'm sure the others were smitten at your personal comments about their appearance." mitch96 Oct 2017 #43
"card carrying Sephora shoppers" IronLionZion Oct 2017 #25
This doesn't work. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #26
I don't understand this sentence. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #28
Do a couple of commas help? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2017 #42

TexasBushwhacker

(20,131 posts)
44. Dunno. How do you feel if a man tells you "Nice tie"?
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 08:12 PM
Oct 2017

Do you compliment male coworkers on their clothing or appearance?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
45. That actually happened to me and I was fine with it.
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:20 PM
Oct 2017

I think the difference is that we were both straight so there was no implication beyond his liking that particular tie. He was even my boss and that didn't matter.

On the other hand, if a man (at least one who's straight or a closeted gay) compliments a woman's clothing, she has to consider whether he's making a sexual overture. The further complication is that he might actually be making a sexual overture, or, to put it another way, flirting. If he wants to ask her out but doesn't want to risk rejection, he might make a remark like that to see how she reacts. As a result, if the exchange occurs between co-workers, and especially if she reports to him, there are problems that didn't arise when my boss complimented my tie.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,131 posts)
46. I think it would matter how often the compliments come also
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 03:27 PM
Oct 2017

An occassional compliment is nice, but if someone was complimenting me on my appearance on a regular basis, it would seem like flirting to me.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
39. Feigning confusion as to what sexual harassment is an ugly slippery slope and you're on it.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 05:52 PM
Oct 2017

Nothing to be proud of. Just more "boys will be boys" poison.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
40. You seem to be quite proud of your non-sequiturs
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 06:19 PM
Oct 2017

You already have my vote, so not sure why you'd want to continue, but feel free to do so without me. I generally just ignore your posts anyway, which is why it's always you initiating replies to me and not the other way around. At least I can rely on you to always read mine.

Cheers!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
41. I think it's on all of us to call out this "how will I know I'm harassing" bullshit because it's
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 06:27 PM
Oct 2017

Insidious and it's tiresome watching men - purported "progressives" among them too- play at being stupid. Congrats! it actually works- makes you look stupid.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
5. Somebody, Like, needs to not write like they talk..
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:02 AM
Oct 2017

Like, Really


"From Harvey Weinstein to like all of Uber"

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,304 posts)
9. Welcome to the Internet!
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
Oct 2017

It's a melting pot of writing tones and techniques. One person's hip, breezy tone is another person's evidence that kids these days are the worst.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
19. I sat next to a young woman and man in the airport
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:57 AM
Oct 2017

She said "like" 45 times in five minutes (I was bored so I counted)

How can this be hip? Valley Girls started talking like that 35 years ago...


WhiskeyGrinder

(22,304 posts)
24. The breezy, ironically detached tone implied by the judicious use of "like" as well as other
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:10 PM
Oct 2017

literary tricks is a popular one now, especially in pieces such as this one. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's not useful or popular. The longevity of "like" as a modifier is an interesting one for linguists, as it can convey how we say things and not just what we say, without using adverbs or another sentence about our internal monologue. Its overuse can grate, as does overuse of any dialect.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
30. I posted below before reading replies.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:14 PM
Oct 2017

I didn't get what they meant in one of their sentences. Now I get it.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
6. Hum bad call, the Rock is groped all the time
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:14 AM
Oct 2017

It doesn’t appear like he minds but if you watch video of the Rock interacting with people 90% of the time they end up feeling his arms or chest (more men than women) I would say about 40% of the people ask permission to touch him. Most just get a dazed look on their faces and reach out and then go, oh sorry is it ok after they already have.

mopinko

(69,982 posts)
11. um, yeah, grope a woman like you would grope the rock-
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:30 AM
Oct 2017

ask first. if you can ask first, say sorry after. in the mean time, dont be too surprised if you get punched in the nose. if you do get punched in the nose, realize you had it coming.

see? not so hard.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
14. Not really the same thing
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:34 AM
Oct 2017

Big difference between a star struck fan touching a star (who probably has body guards close by) and someone who is in a position of power makes unwanted advances.


 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
17. You mean not sexually harassing people makes you less likely
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:51 AM
Oct 2017

To be accused of it? And even better it's so easy it's like you don't even have to do anything.

mitch96

(13,869 posts)
23. After working in a matriarchy for over 45 years it was simple
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:08 PM
Oct 2017

Just don't say or do anything that could be alluded to sexually. Use non gender specific terms.
You look nice, not you look pretty etc.. Kinda sucks but with the world we live in today it worked for me!!
m

mitch96

(13,869 posts)
35. That's what happens when you worked
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:59 PM
Oct 2017

With many strong willed upwardly mobile women... I did not have a problem with it. They did their thing and I did mine.. Retired now so it's all good.
m

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
36. I can't imagine how bad it bothered you.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:42 PM
Oct 2017

Retired and still commenting on it. Damn "upwardly mobile women." I'm sure the others were smitten at your personal comments about their appearance. Not those uppit.... I mean "upwardly mobile women."

mitch96

(13,869 posts)
43. " I'm sure the others were smitten at your personal comments about their appearance."
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 07:52 PM
Oct 2017

Ouch!
Feel better now bunky?
m

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
28. I don't understand this sentence.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:10 PM
Oct 2017

"From Harvey Weinstein to like all of Uber, it seems each day a wealthy and powerful man is being brought down by accusations of sexual harassment or assault."

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
42. Do a couple of commas help?
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 06:38 PM
Oct 2017

"From Harvey Weinstein to, like, all of Uber, it seems each day a wealthy and powerful man is being brought down by accusations of sexual harassment or assault."

(If it was the "like" that threw you.)

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