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[cilla4progress]

1. Right. We need a FIGHTER!

Remove the kid gloves!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. I know Keith Ellison would be fighting like hell for us had we given him the nod.

[NurseJackie]

8. "Buck up!"

“So don’t tell me because you’re frustrated about what happened in my DNC race ... or anybody else’s race that you gonna throw your hands up,” he added. “That’s a bunch of crap right there. Buck up!” ~ Keith Ellison

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. I definitely WON'T tell you I'm gonna throw up my hands...

cuz I have no intention whatsoever of doing so, EVER!! Keith and I are in complete agreement on that... it's time to buck the fuck up alright... no time left to dilly dally.

[NCDem777]

13. But we were too afraid of being accused of "identity politics"

to put him in charge

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. Too late now... time for Tom Perez to buck up, gird his loins, and fight like a dog with a bone!!

[JI7]

30. He is in Congress. Is anyone stopping him from doing what you say ?

[PatrickforO]

2. I get a lot of direct mails and emails wanting money.

But I don't think Tom is forceful enough talking about kitchen table issues.

[delisen]

5. Keith is in a power position-so why isn't he fighting

like hell? Very strange. Is it a strategy or is he. busy behind the scenes.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. Maybe Tom has a plan that he is about to unleash... sure hope so!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Keith is a true team player... he's not gonna usurp power. You gotta admire that!

[delisen]

31. You must be kidding. Has Perez told him he can't say anything?

I don't think so.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. "Saying anything" and pontificating like you're the one in charge are TWO radically different things

... Like I said, Keith is the ultimate team player, waiting "on deck" for his "turn at bat"... don't worry, it's coming! And when it does, look out... expect a grand slam!!

[delisen]

35. On deck? at bat? grand slam & pontificating:

Sorry I can't figure out what you are saying-getting lost in the metaphors.

I assume that Perez has not told Ellison that he can't speak out or that you don't have the answer to my question.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Sorry, I can't help you... you would have to be familiar with the game of baseball....

and have had a job working under a boss.

Most working people have enough common sense that they don't need to be explicitly told by the boss that they shouldn't "speak out" on certain subjects, acting like they have the authority to make statements and decisions, as if they're in charge. In my case, I patiently waited my turn ( "on deck" ) for my chance to get promoted to that position and once installed ( "at bat" ), I proceeded to make great strides running things ( hitting a "grand slam" ) in my former boss's place.

Keith Ellison will make a fine DNC Chairman in the next go-around... til then, he'll play "second fiddle" - that's a musical expression, perhaps, more familiar to you - and let Tom Perez take the lead.

[delisen]

37. You are making unwarranted assumptions

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about whether I am familiar with certain sports or have not worked for "a boss."- or whether I need to be schooled in the term "second fiddle."

Thanks for your elaboration-I do think, however, that too much hierarchal thinking/behavioral expectations applied to democratic institutions can be problematic.

In terms of metaphors I was referring to getting lost in your mixing of metaphors.

I just sent Tom Perez my questions and will also write to Keith Ellison.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. My apologies... I thought I was being clear, but, apparently not.

I'd be curious to know what those two have to say in response to your letter... hopefully, Tom Perez will "get on the stick" soon.

[eissa]

4. Where the fuck is he?

I NEVER see him. Not on the cable news programs, not in print interviews, not anywhere other than soliciting money in email blasts.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Maybe formulating a new, better plan.

[delisen]

6. so Perez and Ellison are both mia?

[LonePirate]

7. If you have not heard a word from him, why are you sure he is an elite leader?

What level or amount of communication is needed for him to move from elite to whatever the next category is?

[TEB]

11. We need a leader that can fight the GOP insanity

This is what we need today a leader that will be bare knuckles and smack the GOP in the mouth.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

23. Here, here!!

[delisen]

33. Yes what are the gradations -we have "elite"

We will need a label for Perez if he becomes less elite in the eyes of those who publish the labels.

How do we label someone who moves from "elitist to "less elite? Can an elitist flip suddenly to become "non elitist" and if so what does that person need to do flip, and who decides?

[demmiblue]

9. TEB

Tom perez needs to get tough and stop being an elite democratic leader

And start saying Trickle down economics is voodoo
Fighting to Raise minimum wage
401 k are Wall Street lie bring back defined pensions.
Democrats the party of the working class the middle class.
When Perez was elected as dnc chair I heard from him , that he was going to fight for us against trump. I have not heard a word from Tom Perez.

[TEB]

12. Ok your point

[demmiblue]

17. Because you delete almost all of your original posts and no one reading them...

after the fact has any idea about the content of the OP.

[TEB]

18. Oh ok thanks

I just like to keep things tight take care

[demmiblue]

20. You're welcome. n/t

[abbeyco]

10. Give me back Howard Dean & a real 50-state strategy. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. Yes, missin me some Howard.

[Vinca]

15. Tom who? Is he hiding in a closet somewhere?

As another poster said, we need a Howard Dean type of leader who isn't afraid to speak up . . . loudly.

[coolsandy]

22. He is tough! He just doesn't scream and foam at the mouth. If you want show biz then I guess

you won't like him. He is steady as he goes, smart, and skillful if given support and the chance. We don't need to yell and scream. We need to work the grassroots circuit one percent downhill at a time. I think he does need to be more visible on TV but remember, he is not the one running for office. He is as effective as Steele and Priebus. Give him a little time and do not join in the Democrat bashing.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. Look forward to seeing that Tom Perez.

[TEB]

27. I wasn't out to bash Perez

We need action to fight the GOP and I feel being passive will not win the fight. We need to be aggressive and fight the GOP bull crap Thank you for posting

[JustAnotherGen]

28. NJ and VA that's where he is

Can you please wait just 3 weeks?

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/democratic_stars_to_come_out_for_nj_governor_candi.html

This is an extremely serious election. Everything is on the table. Including our Congressional districts in 2020.

We have a chance to go out to Bedminster on a bright crisp Wednesday November morning and moon Trump.

We "see" him here.

Yes - those things you wrote are important - but not right now.

Eye on the prizes - NJ and VA.

I'm going to say this - I believe that Phil is going to win. And he will be a very effective attack dog in 2018. He's another guy who worked for Obama.

This is a big fucking deal and chance to flip the bird at 45.

ETA - VA - https://morningconsult.com/2017/09/01/national-democrats-turn-labor-day-attention-va-gubernatorial-race/

[Demsrule86]

29. Blame Democrats..right...how many posts today. His job is to run the DNC...I am always amazed how

if only Democrats would say the right words, all would be right with the world. Too bad the voters handed all the power to the Republicans in 16...bad move. Have patience. I do think we have a shot in 16.

[delisen]

34. Why don't you write to him with your complaint?