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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 06:49 PM

 

Please tell me, who did prayer in schools. I was 60's-70's west coast and we did not do prayer in

school. Ever. From the youngest of age.

Anyone? And the location. Because it may be only in the south, I do not know.

My father was in the Midwest in the 40's-50's and he did not have prayer in school.

I have been curious about this for a while, so the more that participate, the better sense I can get of how prevalent it was in schools, where and when.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 06:58 PM

1. 60's and 70's

too. Northeast coast. Never had prayer in school either,

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:03 PM

2. Probably nearly all of us (prior to exams)...



But, no, public schools did not require prayers and I went to school a LONG time ago (midwest).

We did do the pledge of allegiance though. It was rote and no one really thought twice about it or what was being said (or not).

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:17 PM

12. Pledge of allegiance, yes. Took me a second to get your joke. Funny.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:04 PM

3. Western Canada

in the 70s. We said The Lords Prayer up to grade 6.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:17 PM

13. Really? And not a Christian school. Interesting. Thanks.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:38 PM

68. Yup

It was in a very homogeneous small town. We said it every morning after announcements.

It ended when I hit 7th grade in 77.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:05 PM

4. 50's and 60's midwest. We sometimes had prayer at school events.

Occasionally a church group would come by and give Bible stories using cut out figures on a felt covered board. This was at a small, rural grade school.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:06 PM

5. 60's/70's in Texas and the Midwest

Never prayed in school. Prayed at home and in church, though.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:06 PM

6. NYC Metro area

50s & 60s. Nope....never.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:08 PM

7. I did, 60s and 70s

But I went to parochial schools.

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Response to mcar (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:18 PM

14. Lol.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:09 PM

8. Never but i think kids were allowed to form prayer groups/clubs

And only during lunch or other breaks they could get together and pray if they wanted.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:11 PM

9. Yes with an *. We had a benediction at graduation. Late 1970's in

NW Ohio. Small school. Other than that, there was no prayer in school.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:12 PM

10. public schools from 1984-1996

Mystic Connecticut and Adams Massachusetts, never saw prayer in the classroom.

did the Pledge every morning

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Response to Takket (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:41 AM

126. Same here 83-95 pledge every day, no prayer.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:13 PM

11. Macon Georgia

1970 to 1971, 6th grade teacher led prayer right after pledge of allegiance. Learned Catholic bible had different numbered psalms from Protestant bible and Our Father had one less verse and was called The Lord's Prayer. Jewish student read from Old Testament. Wonder what her parents thought.

Macon, Georgia. I had just moved from Prince George's County, Maryland. Big culture shock. Bible Belt but they went to school on Good Friday and did not go to church on Christmas Day.

Jehovah's Witness friend did not have to stand for national anthem and did not say pledge.

My teacher was a good teacher. After a few days, that's all I cared about.

Moved to South Florida as an adult and never looked back.

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:20 PM

16. Ok. Thanks. I had heard some southern states did prayer.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:25 PM

26. Later maybe?

Even in Macon, where the first question was always "What church y'all go to?" The aggressive push for prayer in school was in the 80's And 90's I think. I was beyond high school by then.

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:27 PM

28. That is the feeling I have been getting. Not that it is "back" to prayer.

 

Because it is seeming to me, that most did not have prayer in school. The argument is, they want to implement prayer in school.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:31 PM

61. Right, I've heard that for a long time: that prayer was "taken out of schools."

But it sounds like, for the most part, it wasn't there in the first place. At least not going back a couple generations. But then... that's when, in the Republican Handbook, everything supposedly went all to hell, right?

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:35 PM

64. Well, not seeing a lot of 40's like my father, but some 50's and they didn't have it.

 

It seems to be only a couple southern states and Florida, lol. Or individual teachers in these couple southern states.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:41 PM

96. It's a lie in any case.

Any kid that wants to pray in school can do so. They don't get to disrupt class with it, and they don't get to make anyone else pray along with them, but they can pray all they want to.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:53 PM

119. Not my southern state.

This is the DU member formerly known as cwydro.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #119)

Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:00 AM

120. I am seeing that. Looks like a scattered few in the South and surprising scattered few

 

in the Northeast, but like Penn.

Not any in the west. One in Texas but others say no so might be isolated. Same with a few spots in Midwest. It is very interesting.

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:09 PM

85. Oh, bless your heart. I lived there for 3 years in early 1980s. Called my office in

Atlanta one Monday and said transfer me or I quit. They did, thankfully.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #85)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:33 PM

93. So sorry

Still have family there. They are now fully Macon. Hardcore Democrats. Believe it or not Southerners are some of the best liberals when they are liberal. They've developed survival skills others have never had to.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:19 PM

15. Heck I was mostly in Mississippi and we didn't.

It wasn't a dictated thing in school, even where it was a ubiquitous part of society.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:21 PM

17. Ok. So some southern states did not. Good to hear.

 

I am learning. In the future when I state there hasn't been prayer in school, I want to get it right. Thanks.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:22 PM

18. I did, mountain west

We are Italian Catholic or Mexican Catholic Americans. Every football game we said an our father and a hail Mary.

It's was public school.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:22 PM

19. At football games but not class, daily?

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:25 PM

25. No. Just before games.

No on complained. I think we all figured we could use all the help we could get 😁

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:22 PM

20. New England

Me - Early '50s public schools - Lord's prayer in some grades.

Wife - Lord's prayer, even some bible passage reading.

(Later in high school I prayed a lot that the cute blonde with the pony tail would notice me, she eventually did, and now we've been married 50+ years).

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:23 PM

21. Ahhh. What a story. Interesting. Ok, thanks.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:24 PM

22. Rural Ohio, 60s-70s, daily prayer over the PA in elementary school.

By middle school, the Supreme Court was taking a really dim view so the principals switched to "now let's bow our heads and have a moment of silence."

Also, girls were not allowed to wear pants in my elementary school in the 1960s.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:24 PM

23. Early 60's NYC

I remember getting milk and crackers or cookies each day. We said a prayer, ate the snack and then put our heads on the desk for a nap. This would have been kindergarten or first grade.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:24 PM

24. Graduated in 1970 - we had prayer in school until the Supreme Court ruled it out

It was entirely up to the individual teachers. Most didn't pray, but the ones who insisted on it were obnoxious about it. They tried to force every child into complying with their religious preferences. We were pretty grateful when the SC stopped that silliness - it wasted class time and even as a kid I objected to much of their prayer content. I played along but didn't pray with them or participate in the prayer garbage at all.

One ultra conservative Christian teacher continued to require prayer even after the SC decision. It was not until a Jehovah Witness student made a fuss when she would not allow him to wait outside the classroom until her prayer was over that she was finally forced to stop.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #24)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:29 PM

30. Interesting. Thanks.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:26 PM

27. 70's Austin, TX

Never prayed and no one really asked to either...from what I recall.

We did do the Pledge of Allegiance every morning though.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:28 PM

29. Not in my public school

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:29 PM

31. 50s, 60s Philly

Never did prayers.
Did do the pledge of allegiance. I remember when we added under god. Just thought it was more words I had to say.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:29 PM

32. Delaware 70's - nope

 


We did go through some weird stuff, though, with a "moment of silent meditation" during after the pledge, during which were instructed that we could stand or sit silently for 15 seconds or so, and use that time for whatever mental act we wanted. No one had to pray, but everyone had to be silent.

It was apparently to avoid the accusation that they were preventing anyone from praying, such that anyone who wanted to pray could do so.

Why the Almighty Creator needs anyone to say anything out loud in a communication directed to it, is anyone's guess.

The ONLY reason to pray out loud is to make sure that other people can hear it.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #32)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:31 PM

35. Keeping Christ out of classrooms is another argument.

 

My thought is with God's omnipresent, there is no keeping out so if they believe, then what the hell are they talking about.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:29 PM

33. Thank you all, this is interesting. I appreciate the participation.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:31 PM

34. No. Upstate New York.

We said the pledge of allegiance (which I never really liked) but no prayer ever.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:34 PM

36. 50's and 60's in a Florida public school, yes, with the Lord's Prayer proscribed, until the

Supreme Court ruled in 1962. A big deal was not made of it, either. It was an automatic, assumed daily rite. Nobody asked if a child's family objected to the proscribed recitation of a New Testament prayer.

By 1963, a year after the ruling, proscribed prayer in school ended nationwide. So if you were not in school prior to 1963, you could not have experienced this.

I am interested in hearing from those who were in public schools in the years just prior to the ruling.

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Response to tableturner (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:49 PM

78. Eastern Shore of Maryland - yes, in the late 50's and 1960.

We said the Pledge, had a short prayer and/or a Bible verse. In my 11th grade homeroom, I was chosen to read the daily Bible verse. I remember how hard it was to choose just the "right" one. The high school was ALL white and my homeroom of 25 included mostly Methodists and Episcopalians, 2 Mennonites, 1 Baptist.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:37 PM

37. Western PA -

Bible readings and Lord's Prayer in grade school - stopped after 6th. grade - "pledge" throughout K-12.
We did have a Baccalaureate Service on the Sunday before the Graduation ceremony, as well as a community religious leader doing the invocation at the graduation.
Later spent 35 years teaching in public schools and never had any "religious" aspects involved with anything - but always had "the pledge!"

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:58 AM

135. Western PA here too and the same.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:39 PM

38. Phila. 'Burbs

1963 - 1975 public school. Never uttered a prayer in school, never heard anybody else say a prayer. Did Pledge and moment of silent meditation, which I took to mean exactly what it says.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:40 PM

39. I was in Chicago burbs and didnt see it. Further, we knew very well..

about separation of church and state. We knew because we were taught that in intermediate school. Even when I was in the Houston burbs for jr. high and high school, I never saw it.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:03 PM

42. I also remember being taught church/state separation

 

AND that the US had a mixed economy with elements of socialism and capitalism.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 07:42 PM

40. Late 50's-late 60's north shore LI 85% Jewish neighborhood: no prayers.

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Added: I'd thought I'd remembered this correctly: the school district I was in was Union Free District #9 and apparently it was the one that brought the school prayer issue all the way to the Supreme Court!from Wikipedia

Seven years later, Steven I. Engel, a Jew, was upset to see his sonís hands clasped and his head bent in prayer. He told his son that this was ďnot the way we say prayers.Ē Engel, a founding member of the New York Civil Liberties Union, would bring action along with Daniel Lichtenstein, Monroe Lerner, Lenore Lyons, and Lawrence Roth, all parents of children in the Long Island, New York public school system, against Union Free School District No. 9 for its adoption and subsequent prescription of the so-called "Regent's prayer", arguing that it constituted the state-sponsored establishment of religion in violation of citizensí First Amendment rights via the Fourteenth Amendment.[5]

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:01 PM

41. Colorado, 60s-70s--never.

 

Do remember duck n cover drills.

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Response to shanny (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:09 PM

47. Me, too. Like that would do anything.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:04 PM

43. I win the thread I guess :(

Public schools still had teacher led prayer before lunch in the early 1980's. It then died off for a while, then picked back up in the late '80's early 90's at football games. I was in Mississipppi.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/03/school.prayer/index.html was in 1996. About 20 mi away from my school. The that made the complaint was driven out of town.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #43)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:10 PM

49. Wow. Thanks.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:05 PM

44. I went to public summer schools in the 60s when they had real summer school.

We never said prayers which was funny to me because I went to catholic schools in the regular school years.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:06 PM

45. Atlanta, Georgia and no praying.

60's - 70's.

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:08 PM

46. We didn't have prayer but our fourth grade teacher passed out these 3 x 5 cards on which we told

to write down the name of the church we attended.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:10 PM

51. Gasp, no way. Lol. Wow.

 

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Reply #51)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:13 PM

53. My parents didn't go to church but I went to three different ones until I stopped going in middle

school.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #53)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:45 PM

73. I had the same thing

I loved to sing. My family was Russian orthodox light - we did church once a year at Easter.
I would go to any church in my neighborhood (we moved several times) from the time I was 8.
They would feel sorry for me and let me sing in the choir. I was really happy and had no belief in the mystical father so it did t matter. Whenever the priest or minister or whatever the designation was would come to our house to speak with my parents they would listen politely and say they didnít speak English. Worked every time.



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Response to dhol82 (Reply #73)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:51 PM

79. Easter was the only time I can remember enjoying church. I thought church was more social than

religious. There was lots of gossip and comments on other folk's attire. It seemed fakey to me, even as a child.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #79)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:06 PM

84. Russian Orthodox Easter is a trip!

Lots of candles and incense and people milling about outside the sanctuary.
It was definitely a social occasion. All the families would bring a basket with Easter goodies (ham, fat back, Pascha, whatever else would be eaten later) to be blessed. Everybody would hang around waiting for the priest to splash holy water on the baskets and then, after the wander around the block with attendant ceremony, we would all go home.
It was a lovely experience. Sadly, it was lost on me as a religious experience. I would not mind going again just as a nostalgia event but, as a died in the wool atheist, it would only make the holy father weep.
The church of my childhood was called Our Lady Joy Of All Sorrows. The name always reminded me of Joan Rivers putative Jewish parochial school Our Lady Of Perpetual Guilt.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #84)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:23 PM

90. It sounds like it was a good time to be in the church-a real sense of history too.

LOL at Perpetual Guilt-that's what it was all about. If you felt guilty you were more likely to come back in hopes of being "saved".

After church my friends and I would play basketball on the asphalt court behind the grade school. The snows had started to melt, it was sunny and at least 50 degrees so it felt like summer. Spring was in the air and optimism was the mood.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #90)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:27 PM

91. Good times

At least for a while.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #91)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:47 PM

99. Yes, I agree. I still like spring though!

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Response to Mediumsizedhand (Original post)

Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:10 PM

48. Iowa in 60' and 70's - no praying in city schools, can't speak for rural schools.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:10 PM

50. Not in Kansas.

Contrary to popular thinking there was NO prayer in rural Kansas public schools in the 40's and 50's; only in parochial Catholic schools were students allowed to pray. After all; everyone knew there was a clear separation of church and state. Duh.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:11 PM

52. See, that is what my father in the earlier years, and my experience was. Separation.

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:11 PM

107. My experience exactly.

I grew up in Kansas in the 40s and 50s, and I make sure to tell people when they bitch about prayer being removed from schools that we NEVER prayed in school. I lived in a mixed (Catholic and Methodist) community, and if my Catholic parents had ever heard of us praying in school they'd have been at the school protesting vociferously.

At that point in time, at least in our community, Catholics simply were discouraged from praying with Protestants, and even from attending marriages and funerals in the Methodist church in our town.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:26 AM

140. You are right.

Yes. I was one of the Methodists. Maybe we knew each other? As mortal enemies.

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Sun Oct 29, 2017, 11:38 AM

147. well, i don't remember

thinking of Methodists as enemies so much as just thinking they were wrong. Of course they couldn't go to heaven.

What foolish things we were taught...

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:15 PM

54. I did

But I went to 12 years of Catholic School

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:20 PM

55. NJ late '50's and early '60's

Elementary school. Small town not far from Princeton and 45 minute train commute to NYC. We had Bible readings from old and new testament. There were several Jewish kids in our class and the parents of one girl whose family kept kosher complained about their daughter having to participate in the new testament readings. It made quite an impression in 1961.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:21 PM

56. In public school in Arkansas in the 60s and 70s.

My only memory of prayer in school was in high school algebra.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:21 PM

57. I started kindergarten in 1970 in St. Louis, we did not do any prayers.

But we did have separate boy and girl playgrounds (and this was a public school). We moved from there to St. Louis County in 1973 and no prayers there either (and no sex segregated playgrounds!).

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:32 PM

62. No way. I have not heard of such a thing.

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:23 PM

58. 60s-70s for both myself and older sister

70 miles from STL

No prayers in school
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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:27 PM

59. I lived in Florida in the early 60s and we had teacher led prayer

every morning. I lived in the Mormon theocracy of Utah in the late 50s...no prayer in school.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:33 PM

63. Interesting that, hu? Lol. Florida, not Utah.

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:30 PM

60. Public school in suburbs of NYC circa 1957.

I think it was only one particular teacher and not school policy but in that one year we started each day with the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer. Again, this was just in one teacher's 3rd grade class and not general policy for the school. In other years we recited the pledge but no prayer.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:36 PM

65. Did it in public schools until '63.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:37 PM

67. What area?

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:36 PM

66. 50s and 60s and no

no prayers in any schools I went to.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:40 PM

69. I grew up in Iowa. I was in elementary school in the 70's and we had prayer

At Christmas our principal would sing Christmas songs, and he was a bad singer. I moved to another school in our town, they didn't do prayer...I guess they thought the poor side of town needed Jesus more the the middle class kids

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:43 PM

72. My father was in Iowa, in the 40's and 50's, no prayer. So, more isolated.

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:40 PM

70. No prayers in LA suburb in the 50's but we did celebrate Christmas & Easter.

We sang 'Let There Be Peace on Earth' and 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' Pledge of Allegience every morning.

I really enjoyed all the singing we did.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:41 PM

71. I finished high school in the late 60s in a small South Carolina town.

I finished high school in the late 60s in a small South Carolina town. This was a public school.

Every morning someone would read a daily devotion, a hymn sung by Tennessee Ernie Ford was played, and have a prayer. All this went out to the whole school over the intercom.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:46 PM

74. Florida - 1956

Came out to Montana and Washington state - no school prayer.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:47 PM

76. Cool to know, because Florida seems to be the state besides Mississippi and another Southern state.

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:59 PM

81. I went to first grade in Jacksonville FL

I wondered what happened to the morning prayer when I started second grade in Montana.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:47 PM

75. Dunkard Twp. Greene Co. Pa.

Over the PA system, 1950something.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:48 PM

77. And a couple Northeast states, lol. Adding to a post I just made.

 

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:58 PM

80. So Cal, Torrence

1955 - 1968. Never had prayer.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 08:59 PM

82. I lived in Bible Belt central Florida and Atlanta mid 60s into 70s

No prayer in my public schools....but went through integration. I was bussed across town to a historically black school. It was a good experience, no issues. It was just for 5th and 6th graders.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:03 PM

83. i did, i went to a catholic school thru ninth grade....then i went to public school and it quit.

thank God

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:15 PM

86. Never had prayers in school - upper Midwest, '50s and '60s.

When I first heard there was such a thing in some places, probably when I was in high school, I thought it was pretty weird.
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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:16 PM

87. We did pledge every morning. Always prayers before bigger events such as graduation.

Believe they still do

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:19 PM

88. From 1960-1964, 1968-1976 did not.

I was in public schools during those times.
From 1964-1968 I was in parochial school.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:19 PM

89. Raised in northern Mn. No school prayers.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:31 PM

92. In public elementary school in Florida from about 1958 through early 60s,

we didn't pray, but read a Bible passage each day.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:38 PM

94. Mobile, Alabama in 1978.

We moved there that year from another state. In my sister's public elementary school (Kate Shepard), they were made to say grace before lunch, she said. I don't know if they did a prayer in the morning too. I was in middle school, and if anyone prayed there or in high school, they did it discreetly.

The pledge was read over the P.A. system in the morning, and we were told to stand for it but we didn't recite it, we just listened.

Paddling was done. The school handbook spelled out that certain infractions were punishable by "three licks with the paddle, or three days' suspension". Parents could forbid that their children be paddled, but few did so.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:40 PM

95. Seldom. NE Ohio

1960s-early 70s.

In choir we used to warm up with "May the Lord Bless You and Keep You" in jr high, which looking back on it now I wonder how the music teacher got away with it.

The day JFK was shot our teacher was crying and said though we weren't supposed to pray in class she didn't care today and said a prayer.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:41 PM

97. Georgia 50s-60s no prayers

Never prayed in school. Said Pledge of Allegiance. Had Christmas party in classroom through 6th grade elementary school.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:45 PM

98. It was done in the 1950's, and then at least until 1961, as we read from the Bible when I was 12. It

 

pretty much was ended in 62--63, per the SCOTUS.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:54 PM

100. Yes, but I went to Catholic schools

In grammar school we also had to attend Mass every day. High school - also Catholic - wasn't so big on prayers: we had a chapel, but less than 10% of the school could fit into it at one time. We also had mandatory religion classes, one of which was an overview of non-Catholic religions. Yeah, it was a pretty liberal high school.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 09:58 PM

101. We had prayer in 50s elementary school sometimes

and christmas plays and christmas choir concerts. I grew up in Dallas.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:00 PM

102. Milwaukee, 1970s-1980s. We did, however, sing very religious songs at the Christmas program

 

which was a little weird for us Jewish kids (there were just a few of us).

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:00 PM

103. Rural south central PA

We did it, also had a reading of 10 verses of the Bible. This was in the "Alabama" part of PA. In defence of the school administration (and the town), when the Supreme Court ruling came down, they stopped it immediately and there was never any discussion that I heard of defying the court, as happened in so many places and still happens sometimes. They did replace it with a minute of meditation or silence or something (not sure what they called it) when they played classical music over the P.A. system.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:03 PM

104. 60s and 70s

Missouri and Illinois: never.

This stuff about returning prayers to schools, IMO, is just BS. I often wondered if my schools were aberrations. I went to six different schools in two states.
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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:05 PM

105. Mid- to late 80s - town in GA about 70 miles north of FL

Before assemblies (which were often programs by the local baptist church) and before football games

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:11 PM

106. 80s-90s Buckle of the Bible Belt

Southwest Missouri that is. In junior high and high school we prayed for everything including sports and band. I will never forget how weird I thought it was the first time I heard the Lords Prayer said with trespassers vs debtors. I grew up Presbyterian and everyone else I knew was Assembly of God, Baptist, or Mormon. I thought that was a cobapiracy Lol. But seriously, the superintendent for the school I went to was just put on probation awhile ago because some awesome kiddos complained about his prayer at graduation this past year. He was retiring anyway, but good for those kids. Even growing up as a Christian, my life was filled with other kids condemning everyone else for not being like "them."

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:15 PM

108. Arizona. Same time.

No prayer there.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:21 PM

109. Montgomery, Alabama, in the early 60s

A student (each of us had our turn) would read a passage from the Bible, and then we'd say the Lord's Prayer. Having just moved from an elementary school on a military base in Alaska, it all seemed surreal to me.

In my oldest sister's high school class, the one Jewish student would step out of the room during this exercise in government-enforced Christianity.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:22 PM

110. I started school in the 1950s

Rural Pennsylvania school. No prayers.

We did stand,
face the flag,
and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

(No one took a knee)

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:34 PM

111. Connecticut (suburban NYC) in the 50s

Up to 6th grade we had to start the morning with the salute to the flag and the Lord's Prayer. We may have sung "My Country 'Tis of Thee," also. At Junior High and beyond, I think it was just the salute.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 10:43 PM

112. In 1953 my 3rd grade teacher

read to our class from Genesis every morning for a half hour or so. Does that count? This was in western Nebraska.

I didn't mind, because it cut into arithmetic, which I hated.

I don't recall any school prayers, though, not ever in all my school years.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:00 PM

113. 50's in Eastern PA.

We said the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of allegiance every morning until 1959 or 60. Then it stopped in my school district (Bristol Township, Buck's County, PA).

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:10 PM

114. East coast--daily prayer and/or bible readings in public elementary school.

Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina. (I was an Air Force brat, so we moved a lot.)

I was in junior high when the landmarK SCOTUS rulings about state sponsored prayer in school occurred in 1962 and 1963.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:21 PM

115. Prayer: How to do nothing and still think you're helping.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:06 PM

145. Wow, gotta remember that one.

I'm sure it'll come to mind after the next mass shooting ...

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:21 PM

116. They had prayers in Texas schools long after the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:31 PM

117. Oh yeah..

Hartford High.. 1962 home room teacher read from the bible every morning until someone must have said something because he stopped. He was pissed. Came in one morning and demanded a moment of silence and private thoughts.. He could no longer read from the Bible. The SC decision was in the summer of 1962, but he didn't stop until after the school year began.

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Fri Oct 27, 2017, 11:51 PM

118. Grew up in the south. And nope.

We did the Pledge of Allegiance, but I donít even remember that after the third grade.

I remember the sugar cube polio vaccine though....Anyone else?
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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:14 AM

121. We did that in Indiana

In Catholic school, of course, when I was in first and second grade. That's why it didn't seem strange to me when my third grade public school teacher called for it in the fall of 1964.

I think the Supreme Court pretty much squashed it after that, except for the "moment of silence" thing. I don't regard that as prayer, but as a call to be mindful of the subject of the MOS.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:20 AM

122. I attended K through 3 in Connecticut in the early 60s

and NO prayers there. Moved to NYC in grade 4, to find daily prayer. Go figure. Daily, we said the Pledge, sang "My Country 'Tis Of Thee", and then said The Lord's Prayer.

I thought the prayer part was comical... the Jewish kids sat down right away after the song and didn't participate at all in the prayer, then the Catholic kids sat down before the "For thine is the Kingdom" part, which Catholics don't say in the Lord's Prayer, and the Protestant kids were the last ones standing.

Edited to comment: Both schools were public schools.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 02:48 AM

123. No prayer ever.

I remember doing the pledge up to 2nd grade then when I went to JFK in Berlin we did not do any of those things. I do not think it would have worked well when I was going to a school where diplomat's kids went to from all countries. When I got back when I was 10 and started school in Centralia Wa we did not have prayer but we said the pledge of allegiance. I remember singing My Country, Tis Of Thee also. The singing ended when I went into 7th grade. Here is the big kicker though, in high school we no longer did the pledge of allegiance. I do not know if that happened for anyone else but my very red city stopped that at 9th grade.
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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 04:34 AM

124. I don't think we ever did in Spokane in the 50's and 60's.

We did in Salt Lake City but that was to be expected.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:46 AM

127. I did

for the first few years, started school in 1960. New Jersey

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:10 AM

128. oh hell no!!...and my grand dtrs were attending school in Tenn....

....and they both knew to let me know if there were any prayers or Good News Club people hovering about...

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:30 AM

129. Only in first grade

62 - 63 school year our teacher began the day with a Bible reading from a big "child's edition" Bible. Nothing after that. I remember my parents explaining about the SC ruling. This was Philly burbs. HS graduation (74) had an optional Bachelareate (sp?) service with local clergy. My son graduated from the same HS in 2008 and that servuce had been dropped.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:56 AM

130. Stand for Moment of Silence Count?

My daughter's Home Room Teacher wanted them to start the day off doing this in the '90s. Majority of the class walked out and went to the Principal's office to complain. My daughter said the rest of the class just sat and stared at her.

Word spread. Parents called the school and complained. Backdoor way of praying? I suppose knew she couldn't tell the class to stand and pray so she tried this. She was told to stop doing this or she would be reprimanded.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:11 AM

131. 70s to mid / late 80's Public School

Western NY - Nope.

88 - 91 - Same state, Catholic Prep School.

Ready?


Ready?

Nope. Pledge of Allegiance and that's it.


At the beginning of my daily "God" class - yes. But school wide? Only for specific religious observances, semester convocation, end of the year blessing, etc etc.

We were protestants growing up and my parents sent me there and paid tuition knowing the rules.

They would have flipped a shit if their tax dollars forced non believers to engage in that activity. They still paid property and state taxes on top of my tuition.

My dad would have hit the roof and is probably rolling over in his grave about A LOT of things these days.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:52 AM

132. In grade school and middle school in the fifties, we started the morning with a Bible quote,

a prayer and the Pledge. In those days, "under God" was not in the pledge. That was added toward the end of my middle school years.

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133. Nashville, Tn

Late 50's.

The public elementary school I attended was almost 100% Protestant at the time and probably reflected the makeup of most of the other schools. There was one Catholic kid- a boy who was, in my young eyes, persecuted by the the other boys. There was one Jewish girl, Debbie, who came into my 3rd grade class.

Our teacher in 3rd grade was great--she always made a point of having Debbie share information about her religious traditions whenever she could. Therefore we 3rd graders in her class learned about Hanukkah and Passover. She made sure Debbie felt included in our class activities but I am not sure how she handled the prayer part.

When I was in 4th grade the Gideon organization visited the school and gave every child a copy of the New Testament.

We also would have to memorize or read Bible verses out loud in some of our classes. "Jesus wept" was always a favorite.

So yeah, we definitely had religion in our public school at that time.

So yeah I remember all of that very well.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:58 AM

134. WV 1950s

Pledge of Allegiance, "My Country 'tis of Thee", Lord's Prayer. Every day through sixth grade.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:59 AM

136. Up to Ohio in 1963

I really don't recall praying during that time, I was only 6. I do remember the court action. Madalyn Murray O'Hair grew up Rossford OH, not far from my hometown. Her name came up a lot at the time.

BTW the area code for Rossford is 666.
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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:04 AM

137. A small town in NE OK 1965-1978

Prayer at the flagpole, prayer at the beginning of every class, prayer before every sporting event, prayer before you eat, prayer before tests....
The whole time the only thing I was praying for was to GTFO of there.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:49 AM

138. I was in public schools in Illinois

from 1956-1969 and never did a prayer. On edit, we did do a Christmas pageant though, with the manger scene and all.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:53 AM

139. 1976, Columbus Ohio

My fourth grade teacher Mrs. Lee made us say the Lord's Prayer every morning. In hindsight I'm guessing this was her own initiative, not the school system's.

The class was pretty evenly split between Catholics and Protestants, so things got awkward at the end of the prayer :/

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 03:03 PM

141. I was in elementary school in Upstate NY in the '60s and I remember exactly when it stopped

We said the Pledge every morning, followed by the "school prayer", all I remember is that it ended with "our parents, our teachers and our country." Then one day we were told we wouldn't be saying it anymore, we were told it was being replaced by a moment of silence when we were expected to pray to ourselves. I'm guessing now that some law was passed, don't remember it being explained. So some student was assigned to call for the silence in the beginning, we never knew how long it would be, depended on the student, and it was disconcerting because it was a change and no one was sure exactly what to do. Sometime after that, the "moment" disappeared too, not sure when, but nobody seemed to miss it.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 03:08 PM

142. First grade. 1962. Lawrence MA.

They made us say the Lord's Prayer. The Protestant version. Our school was 90+% Roman Catholic. We would stop the prayers as The RCC does with "World without end amen.". Dead silence after that and they forced us to say the Protestant add-on.
That didn't fly too well.

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 03:42 PM

143. Well, being in Catholic schools from kindergarten (1959) to 1968.............

I'm probably not the kid to ask!

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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 03:47 PM

144. Never in public school

and I don't remember praying in Catholic School either. I remember being told to do confession once, with priests lined up on the auditorium stage to take them. I remember having to go to a funeral of a complete stranger for a class on the sacraments. That was the last straw for me. I transferred to public school soon thereafter.
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Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:18 PM

146. None

For me here Iím in NY. We did the pledge etc. When I lived in England we said the Lordís Prayer and sang hymns in assembly. I think that was once per week. Iím not religious and come from a mixed religious background with non believers. It had no meaning for me and I donít believe in pledges etc. I liked the music and it was good for knowledge etc that I learned that prayer. Although Iím not religious I do pray occasionally in extreme circumstances, usually in a vague spiritual way. I donít believe in religious doctrines or organized religion. That was in the 67-70ís. In Canada I was in a religious play for Christmas in nursery school. My father had an antisemitic math teacher in Canada in elementary school who made them read the Bible and told him he had to read the Old Testament when he refused to do it. 😹😳

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Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:02 PM

148. Catholic school? Yes. Normal school? No. (n/t)

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