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Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:10 PM

How to Deprogram Truth-Denying Trump Voters

A short, and most interesting (and hopefully helpful) article:


How did Donald Trump win, when he used so many misleading statements and outright deceptions? Couldn’t people see through them? As an expert in brain science, I want to share why his followers fell for his lies and what can be done to address this situation in the future.

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... The Trump campaign did so through the illusory truth effect, a thinking error in our minds that happens when false statements are repeated many times and we begin to see them as true. In other words, just because something is stated several times, we perceive it as more accurate.

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Why should the human brain be structured so that mere repetition, without any more evidence, causes us to believe a claim more strongly? The more often we are exposed to a statement, the more comfortable it seems. The fundamental error most people make is mistaking statements that make them feel comfortable for true statements.

Our brains cause us to believe something is true because we feel it is true, regardless of the evidence—a phenomenon known as emotional reasoning. This strange phenomenon can be easily explained by understanding some basic biology behind how our brain works.


https://www.alternet.org/books/ancient-brain-science-fake-news-trump-lies?amp

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Reply How to Deprogram Truth-Denying Trump Voters (Original post)
Pluvious Oct 2017 OP
jayschool2013 Oct 2017 #1
democratisphere Oct 2017 #2
bettyellen Oct 2017 #3
The_jackalope Oct 2017 #4
Vidal Oct 2017 #5
The_jackalope Oct 2017 #7
WinkyDink Oct 2017 #11
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #6
Pluvious Oct 2017 #10
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #12
Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #8
MountCleaners Oct 2017 #9
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #16
kentuck Oct 2017 #13
lindysalsagal Oct 2017 #14
lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #15
Pluvious Oct 2017 #17
superpatriotman Oct 2017 #18
GallopingGhost Oct 2017 #19

Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:14 PM

1. By contrast

Can those of us who know those statements are false lose our minds when we keep hearing these statements purveyed as fact?

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:18 PM

2. I don't believe electroshock therapy will help deprogram drumpf voters.

They seem to love "the art of the lie".

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:25 PM

3. Well, he's always used the repeat three times "trick"... I'm blaming he media for glossing over the

 

Many many lies he told for a good year before they used anything stronger than "misspoke" to describe- in the third or fourth paragraph. His untruths were headlines and still are sometimes.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:25 PM

4. This reprogramming has been going on since 1971

Ever since big business woke up to the opportunity for social programming pointed out by the Powell Memo.

45 years of brainwashing will take at least another 45 years to undo - 45 years after a supportive legislative environment is created.

Until that happens, all you can do is grind away at the edges with lots of counterbalancing emotional messages.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:28 PM

5. It's Always Been That Way

 

People have always been driven by emotions, not reason. Reason is just a veneer slapped onto the id of human nature. In fact reason is primarily used to justify decisions that we make based on how we feel about things.

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Response to Vidal (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:58 PM

7. Bingo.

Succinctly correct.

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Response to Vidal (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:07 PM

11. Thus, "Lord of the Flies."

 

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:56 PM

6. Good article, thanks Pluvious. Some thoughts...

Rupert Murdoch (News Corp./Fox) and talk radio owners have known this psychology for many decades and have used it very effectively. A normal, mentally healthy and well-educated populace would have discredited their dogma from the beginning and they would not have survived. They also use additional tools such as sex appeal, sensationalism and consumerism to maintain an audience.

Our primitive brain succumbs to repetition and all the while our modern brain tries to fight that with facts, logic and reason. Makes for a discomforting, unconscious, continuous internal mental battle. Those of us on the "truth" side feel the pain. Those who are in the right-wing bubble are quite comfortable because they are not exposed to counter-facts, logic and reason.

If we could get all Congress critters that took Norquist's anti-tax pledge to take a Pro-Truth Pledge referenced in that article (and be faithful to it), we might have a functioning government again.

See: https://www.protruthpledge.org/

I am a dreamer, LOL.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:02 PM

10. Have you seen "How Fox Brainwashed My Dad?"

Glad you got something out of the article KY

I wrestle with my self control at each and every "in-laws" event, when overwhelmed by the willfully ignorant winger blather. It's hard, I've struggled with fighting it, and regaining peace of mind, at every encounter.

ICYMI

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Response to Pluvious (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:27 PM

12. "regaining peace of mind" is a daily challenge.

Thanks for reminding me of that documentary. I followed her story for a while, when the film was till in development - but forgot it. I don't have streaming video and have low internet bandwidth, so I'm going to order it on DVD (it's linked to Amazon for $25). I can also watch it at a friend's house on one of the streaming services.

For those not aware of it, see: http://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

Sadly, I don't even go "home" to TN anymore, as it's a sea of blood-red bullshit. I've lost contact with all of my 1965 classmates because of that dilemma. It's sickening and un-American the way they've divided us. So, I feel your pain!



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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:25 PM

8. Republicans will post anything and believe anything...whatever makes them feel good

 

While liberals reject fake news because they won't take the bait.

Those segments are later in the article.

No kidding. And that's it in a nutshell. Extremely difficult to combat because it revolves around basic intelligence and instincts, but if you correctly argue it that way you lose points.

I don't mind the "Pro-Truth Pledge," which is apparently the goal of the study although buried at the end of the piece. That slogan is strong and memorable enough to stick but it needs to be pushed everywhere, and soon.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:35 PM

9. I think we have a social responsibility...

to teach critical thinking to people on the internet.

These Trump followers go on and on about the "deep state" and the "globalists". People I am acquainted with listen to Alex Jones as if he is reporting the "truth". We must make more of an effort to debunk the conspiracy mongers. I don't think Trump truly believes most of this stuff, but he panders to it.

They've never been exposed to stuff like skepticism or concepts like debunking. Apparently they are not even aware of what the Enlightenment was about.

I'm trying to focus my social media presence on supporting people who take on Trump's credulous followers. For example, there is this great Twitter personality https://twitter.com/TakeThatDarwin named Take That Darwin. Lately this person has been re-tweeting scary people who "argue" that Trump was ordained by "God" to be President.

It will do no good to just hang out in friendly, supportive atmospheres. We have an opportunity to promote reason in social media and should put more effort into it.

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Response to MountCleaners (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 08:52 PM

16. Wow, that guy has his hands full - just from doing a quick look.

Thanks for the link and your good thoughts and efforts.

I believe our best bet for reversing this trend is in our schools. We need a new generation that thinks for themselves for a change - using logic, reason and truth. Re-emphasis on science, the arts, and math is a start, along with (somehow) a renewed interest in civics, government and history. Old-fashioned debate classes would be good, too.

Keep up the good work - one nut case at a time!

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:29 PM

13. I would guess that a few indictments might sharpen their focus a little...

It will be a slow process.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:37 PM

14. There's a giant billboard in CT on I95 with this image crossed out:



and it reads something like, "In the beginning, god created man"...

because they're evolution deniers. If they make the billboard big enough, they feel justified in their defiance of society.

People gain a sense of identity and community from the opposition of society norms. If they were just another person going along with the crowd, they feel they aren't real or really there or important. The contradiction makes them feel they matter.

You'll always have some cookes. The problem is, the rest of us have to show up to out-vote them.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:40 PM

15. We all heard Turd's lies endlessly; most people weren't fooled.

Turd voters are actually mentally defective. They can't be fixed; the best we can do is shun, isolate, and demoralize them so their disease is quarantined.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:28 PM

17. I also like how shaming them can...

... Also be effective, like pointing out the lessons of Jesus from the New Testament heh.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:46 PM

18. Kick

Important and informative.

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Response to Pluvious (Original post)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:52 PM

19. I went to trumpgrets yesterday

because they're fun and satisfying to read, and one of the latest tweets is from a woman who is made about the grab-em-by-the-feline video. But what caught my eye is that she says she "just saw" it. Is she kidding? These people never watch real news; they just sit and soak up the Fox slime. They are so uninformed and so gullible it's scary.

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