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Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:44 AM

Louise Mensch‏ is on a friggin' roll

I considered this for the Humor board, but then you never know:



Exclusive: Multiple sources with links to the justice and intelligence communities report that Special Counsel Mueller has dozens of sealed indictments against suspects in the Trump Russia scandal.

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Donald Trump – indicted on RICO over the Felix Sater and Bayrock case, and on other charges which sources have requested we do not report.

Mike Flynn – indicted for failing to register under FARA, the Foreign Agents’ Registration Act, as an agent of Turkey whilst National Security Advisor

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Paul Ryan
Rex Tillerson
Steve Mnuchin

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The Republican Party as a body is under investigation for RICO for accepting Russian money. The GOP itself is being considered to be a corrupt organization under the RICO statutes. Sources were firm that the GOP, as it is presently known, may no longer exist after this investigation and a new party of the right may have to form. Sources did not say if charges or indictments had been returned against the party however.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/10/29/exclusive-mueller-has-dozens-of-sealed-indictments-including-on-donald-trump/

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Reply Louise Mensch‏ is on a friggin' roll (Original post)
HAB911 Oct 2017 OP
Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #1
jodymarie aimee Oct 2017 #3
Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #5
Bradical79 Oct 2017 #17
pnwmom Nov 2017 #29
Bradical79 Nov 2017 #36
pnwmom Nov 2017 #43
Orrex Nov 2017 #52
Me. Nov 2017 #59
LanternWaste Nov 2017 #30
Bradical79 Nov 2017 #34
Orrex Nov 2017 #55
metalbot Oct 2017 #12
Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #13
peggysue2 Oct 2017 #23
MGKrebs Nov 2017 #37
peggysue2 Nov 2017 #38
snooper2 Nov 2017 #44
Scoopster Oct 2017 #2
greeny2323 Oct 2017 #4
Achilleaze Oct 2017 #7
Cary Oct 2017 #11
Bradical79 Oct 2017 #18
Cary Oct 2017 #22
demmiblue Oct 2017 #6
LonePirate Oct 2017 #8
grantcart Oct 2017 #9
HAB911 Oct 2017 #10
MineralMan Oct 2017 #14
sarisataka Oct 2017 #15
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2017 #16
titaniumsalute Oct 2017 #19
Orsino Oct 2017 #20
onenote Oct 2017 #21
mainer Nov 2017 #25
herding cats Nov 2017 #42
onenote Nov 2017 #49
jberryhill Nov 2017 #54
mainer Nov 2017 #24
Bradical79 Nov 2017 #47
applegrove Nov 2017 #26
Hornedfrog1985 Nov 2017 #27
snooper2 Nov 2017 #45
Bradical79 Nov 2017 #46
SharonClark Nov 2017 #28
LanternWaste Nov 2017 #31
L. Coyote Nov 2017 #32
HAB911 Nov 2017 #33
demmiblue Nov 2017 #39
onenote Nov 2017 #50
kentuck Nov 2017 #35
Crabby Appleton Nov 2017 #40
bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #41
Bradical79 Nov 2017 #48
bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #57
L. Coyote Nov 2017 #56
bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #58
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #51
lapfog_1 Nov 2017 #53

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:46 AM

1. I know people are going to pile on her but I appreciate both Louise & Claude

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:47 AM

3. me too

 

Claude is a Bill Clinton guy.

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Response to jodymarie aimee (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:52 AM

5. People that I like & respect here pile on her. People w/agendas pile on her. I know why I appreciate

 

her & Claude!

So that's good enough for me (and others like you).

FTW!!!

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:25 AM

17. She a terrible journalist

 

And she's spread misinfornation and conspiracies that have done more harm than good. The agenda is that she's a constant embarassment.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:22 AM

29. What harm have they done? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:55 AM

36. You don't find pushing false stories harmful?

 

I find creating and pushing fake news to be a serious problem.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 01:34 PM

43. She helped build morale when most Democrats had none. Overall, she's been a positive.

She was right about FISA. She was right about Comey. She was right about lRosenstein. And she was right about Mueller. They were all people who were trying to do the right thing -- even if they were Republicans.

When many people here were completely demoralized, she helped people not give up. And I think that's a good thing.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:17 PM

52. To believe in a falsehood is to embrace deliberate foolishness

I know that someone will immediately offer up children believing in Santa Claus or adults with terminal cancer believing in a miracle cure, but of course these are irrelevant to the case at hand.

Mesnch is earning her paycheck by creating falsehoods to be eagerly lapped up by functional adults willing to deceive themselves. This is straight up fraud, and I find nothing positive or uplifting about it.

Her fans will continue to praise her, obviously, and they are free to do so, but they are wrong to imagine that she's benefiting anyone except herself (and her behind-the-scenes benefactors, of course).

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:16 PM

59. Actually

She was pivotal in bringing the Steele dossier to the forefront, hardly fake news

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:33 AM

30. You certainly make many unsupported allegations. That's damned ironic, no?

You certainly make many unsupported allegations. That's damned ironic, no?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:39 AM

34. It's been covered over and over and over

 

I'm not digging that shit up again just because some people can't figure it out the first dozen times that she's been shown to be a non-credible fraud. No irony here at all. Just not going to write a research paper for every sucker that comes along and is too stupid or lazy to take an honest look at her track record. She hit on maybe a single story while pushing a whole lot of nonsense (based on speculation and lack of source checking) and showing a complete lack of understanding of how our political system works (such as claiming a redo of the electionwas going to happen). An internet prank showed more explicitly how her and Taylor fail to verify their sources when someone was able to easy convince them they were law enforcement through email, though it was pretty obvious in previous stories that ended up being false.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:24 PM

55. You have spelled it out exactly.

No matter how many times she's debunked, the next time she opens her tweet-hole we see her acolytes jump up to claim that this one is the real deal.

She has been sort of right-ish a number of times, but the same can be said of any cold-reader "psychic." When your "successes" are vague statements ("someone was arrested in July" ) and misses (FISA's sealed indictments), then the bar is set very low indeed.

I don't care if she predicts the moment of Trump's impeachment with to-the-second accuracy; until a credible journalist confirms her story, Mensch is not worth believing.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:58 AM

12. I treat them as well written fan fiction

Entertaining to read, but not the real thing.

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Response to metalbot (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:00 AM

13. That's ok, I am not pushing them on people but I will continue to read & follow them.

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 12:35 PM

23. My position exactly

The whole group included in the Mensch et al group--Team Patriot--are not journalists but have had unnamed 'sources' more right than wrong. I read their tweets with a pinch of salt but I do not automatically disregard their reports nor do I push them on anyone else.

We all get to choose and analyze. My suspicion is that a lot of what these people have reported months in advance? Will be vindicated at the end of this. Louise Mensch is on RT's top ten list of critics of the Kremlin. Along with John McCain, Morgan Freeman, Rob Reiner, etc. Pretty good company in my mind.

Readers choice.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 09:01 AM

37. OK so I would like to understand this.

What is the attraction of hearing a rumor of something that months later you can look back and say "I knew that back then"? Because if only half of her stories come true, you don't know at the time which of them might be true. You only know it later- when someone else reports it.

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Response to MGKrebs (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:42 AM

38. You're assuming 50% . . .

of what these people have reported is incorrect. That's simply not the case. Have they made mistakes? Yes, and they've admitted them, come forward on their feeds and done the whole mea culpa thing. That said, I'm not pushing the group or their reports on anyone.

What is the benefit? Having a sense of what's going on behind the scenes, peeking around corners then comparing that material to what I've read from traditional sources. It's a way of staying informed and not being overwhelmed by day-to-day events. Obviously using these alternative sources is not for everyone, judging from comments on the DU board.

That's okay. As I've said repeatedly, it's the individual reader's choice.



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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 01:56 PM

44. We know, you say as much in every one of the threads that mention her

 

She is still a douchebag and a grifter...

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:46 AM

2. Meh.

Mensch lost her credibility when she started insulting people & sockpuppeting to harass them after blocks. I'll wait until this stuff is confirmed by a legitimate news source.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:49 AM

4. That quote

 

Sources were firm that the GOP, as it is presently known, may no longer exist after this investigation and a new party of the right may have to form


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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:53 AM

7. That feeling you get when a wee whiff of hope enters the polisphere...

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:55 AM

11. I fail to see why you are amused

Putin has pulled off the biggest espionage coup in history. The Republican Party deserves to die.

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Response to Cary (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:36 AM

18. What they deserve isn't really relevant to the statement -nt

 

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 12:07 PM

22. Justice matters to me.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:52 AM

6. FTFU: Louise Mensch‏ is a friggin' troll

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:53 AM

8. Heres a real head scratcher: other charges which sources have requested we do not report

Why in the world would her “sources” want to keep these other charges secret? What could they be? Jaywalking? Not using a seat belt?

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:54 AM

9. lol LM always good for a laugh

supporters free to tip her tip jar at her website.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:54 AM

10. I hope with all my heart every line is true

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:26 AM

14. Dozens, I tell you - Dozens!

And, yet, only one has been revealed.

:yawn: (oops, no such emoji)

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:44 AM

15. *sigh*

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:22 AM

16. Does Louise Mensch ever tire of being wrong?

 

One time she was right about something.
ONE. TIME.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:39 AM

19. Ahh Lawrdy lawrdy here she comes again?

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:43 AM

20. She's deliberately omitting Karl Rove? n/t

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:12 AM

21. Remember when Mensch and Taylor said Manafort had been indicted in the E.D. VA last May

I suspect they hope no one remembers that, since it was bogus.

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Response to onenote (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:10 AM

25. The indictments were just unsealed

Do we know when they were filed?

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Response to mainer (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 01:06 PM

42. Per the indictment it was 10-27-2017.

Which was last Friday when CNN broke the story of sealed indictments existing.

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Response to mainer (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:01 PM

49. Yes we do. On October 27, 2017 in the US District Court for the District of Columbia

Which is a different court than the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Plus, it has been widely reported that critical evidence used to obtain the indictment was gathered when Manafort's house was raided over the summer -- AFTER the eastern district indictment allegedly had been obtained.

LM's knowledge of the legal process is a joke. Really. Truly. I'm trying to recall if she has ever gotten anything right on even a procedural level -- stuff that anyone could look up. Can't think of a single time.

She writes fan fiction.

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Response to mainer (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:19 PM

54. Yes, and we know the court, too

 


It's not the EDVA, and was October 27.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:04 AM

24. Remember months ago when Mensch said arrests were imminent?

And DU laughed, jeering that no one was arrested?

It turns out Papadopoulos was arrested in July, and no one noticed. Who else has been arrested while no one noticed?

And yes, it now seems there may be many other sealed indictments.

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Response to mainer (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 02:55 PM

47. She was off by months.

 

Same with the indictments. Lots of us thought arrests were coming just because the corruption was so overt. Her indictments claim hasn't been backed up either. The unsealed indictment is from a much later date than when she claimed they were there. The grand jury wasn't even convened yet when she was talking about arrests in April and May. Also said Trump had been indicted at the time which clearly isn't the case.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:18 AM

26. Whoever is leaking to her did not give her george papadopoulos. So

the leaker is not in the loop/doesn't exist.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:24 AM

27. She claims over seas sources i believe

 

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Response to Hornedfrog1985 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 01:59 PM

45. over seas? So you have to cross multiple to get to her sources?

 

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 02:49 PM

46. Emails!

 

Nice thing about emails is they can come from anywhere! She just flat out doesn't check sources. As a prankster had shown earlier, it's rather easy to plant a fake story with her and Taylor with some semi-convincing emails. She hates Russia as much as anybody, but it reaches the level of unhinged paranoia. Makes her very easy to manipulate. Some think feelings are more important than facts when its someone supposedly on our side. It's the same attitude Newt Gingrich described in his infamous interview awhile back.

And sometimes her paranoia goes in a disgusting direction, like claiming Weiner's predatory behaviour woth a young teenaged girl was a conspiracy enacted by multiple intellegence agents. The poor girl's life was upended by this, and Mench was egging people on about it being a right wing/ Russian conspiracy.

Also we have her to thank for Trump's wiretapping claims.

It's frustrating, and really pushes my buttons, lol.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:10 AM

28. Just because someone says something you so much want to be true, doesn't make it true.

It just reinforces your wishful thinking.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:34 AM

31. One imagines the corollary is true as well...

One imagines the corollary is true as well...

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:35 AM

32. Mensch is brilliant. A lot of her detractors could use that level of intelligence.

One of the people on Session's NATSEC Committee has pleaded guilty already!




I expect she will be attacked more than ever this week as Sessions goes up in flames, because she is the one who called it perfectly. They really hate it when the truth about them is revealed.

From the wife of a member of Congress, not as easily targeted by the trolls:



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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:36 AM

33. I hope you are correct!

nothing would make me happier

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 12:00 PM

39. Fake news: "From the wife of a member of Congress"

This guy would tell you otherwise:



Plus, we all found out what kind of man he turned out to be (and I really liked him at one point).

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:12 PM

50. Dena Grayson?

Not the wife of a US Congressman. She is a medical professional and the wife of FORMER Congressman Alan Grayson, who she married in May 2016. Three months later both Graysons were crushed in Democratic primaries (he was trying for the Senate nomination, she was trying for his former House seat). The idea that she would have access to "well-placed sources" two months after that debacle is gut busting laughable.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:39 AM

35. Are these facts or just her imagination?

There is a difference.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 12:27 PM

40. Her imagination. nt

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 12:33 PM

41. DU will hate on Mensch and Taylor

 

But the people here will still rec the same words that have been coming from Taylor and Mensch since the beginning of the Russian investigation. lol

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9778913

Up to 100 now - Now let's imagine if this thread had Mensch and Taylor's name in the post. lol

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 02:58 PM

48. What a weird post.

 

There's no correlation between recs of a that, and what's being discussed here.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:08 PM

57. Go read the latest patribotics blog post

 

https://patribotics.blog/2017/10/29/exclusive-mueller-has-dozens-of-sealed-indictments-including-on-donald-trump/

The OP of that post sounds just like every Twitter follower of Mensch and Taylor. Mensch has stated numerous times that the entire GOP is under investigation and she's even thrown out the espionage word on occasions. If Taylor and Mensch's names were attached to that OP there would be far less recs an more people on here attacking the OP for posting such "nonsense".

It is espionage.

At the very highest levels and much deeper into the Republican Party than we may have imagined.

We will all be surprised.

Just my opinion.


My post isn't "weird" at all- I'm just being more observant than you.


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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:07 PM

56. Oh so true, when it is 'just an opinion' it is REC'ed sky high, but

when it comes from intelligence sources who are constantly trolled by the Russians, then it is mere fantasy hearsay or deliberate lies. Go figure!


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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:13 PM

58. Star members are put on high

 

even if they are passing along Mensch and Taylor opinions.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:16 PM

51. Patribotic: Trump indicted on RICO & on other charges sources asked not to be reported. Further ...


It's Mensch who has a mixed record but more than once had important scoops. And there are very interesting details. Lots of details.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/10/29/exclusive-mueller-has-dozens-of-sealed-indictments-including-on-donald-trump/

Donald Trump – indicted on RICO over the Felix Sater and Bayrock case, and on other charges which sources have requested we do not report. ... He is also under investigation for sexual abuse and human trafficking relating to Trump Models. ...

Mike Flynn – indicted for failing to register under FARA, the Foreign Agents’ Registration Act, as an agent of Turkey whilst National Security Advisor

While we are able to report that Special Counsel Mueller is holding dozens of sealed indictments, many of which were returned while James Comey was Director of the FBI, we cannot report with specificity who is indicted on what charge other than the two above, because sources were not specific. We have reported on the investigations suspects are facing, and these are listed below.


Listed as under investigation with lots of specifics as to areas:

Mike Pence
Paul Ryan
Rex Tillerson
Steve Mnuchin
Mike Flynn
Mike Flynn Jr
The Republican Party as a body is under investigation for RICO for accepting Russian money. The GOP itself is being considered to be a corrupt organization under the RICO statutes. Sources were firm that the GOP, as it is presently known, may no longer exist after this investigation and a new party of the right may have to form. Sources did not say if charges or indictments had been returned against the party however.

Donald J Trump Jr
Eric Trump
Donald J Trump Jr is on tape colluding with Russia in France before the election. He is being investigated for collusion with Russia over the meeting that was taped in Trump Tower.
(These are not intended to be exclusionary. We are aware of other offenses the Trump sons and their father are being investigated for and are withholding reporting at the request of sources).

Ivanka Trump
Brad Parscale, Jared Kushner, Pyotr Levashov, Michael Cohen and Boris Epshteyn (among several others)
Michael Cohen
Paul Manafort is under more additional investigations than we have time to list here, including FARA violations, money laundering, RICO, bribery, espionage, lying to the FBI, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice. That list is not meant to be exhaustive.

Mitch McConnell
Jason Chaffetz
Devin Nunes
Steve Bannon
Julian Assange
Carter Page is under investigation for espionage. The tape, or recording, of Donald Trump agreeing to change sanctions policy for hacking help, which he took to Moscow, is in the hands of Bob Mueller. The first FISA application made in June 2016, which named Page, Manafort, Epshteyn and Trump, was made over their conversation with Sergei Kislyak in the Mayflower Hotel in which Trump agrees to do this. The FISA warrant application failed, sources speculated, because Trump may not have known at that time that he was being taped.

Jeff Sessions



We have no doubt that this list is not exhaustive.


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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:17 PM

53. "other charges which sources have requested we do not report"

WTF?

Since this isn't considered a legit news source anyway, why hint around at "other charges"?

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