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Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:49 PM

Papadopoulos Pled Guilty....

what did he plead guilty to? I heard that it was 'lying to Mueller'. What was his lie? And how by pleading guilty and cooperating with Mueller - has he turned that around - and what is his truthful story to Mueller now?

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Reply Papadopoulos Pled Guilty.... (Original post)
global1 Oct 2017 OP
greeny2323 Oct 2017 #1
NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #2
marylandblue Oct 2017 #3
Not Ruth Oct 2017 #4
Nevernose Oct 2017 #6
Not Ruth Oct 2017 #7
Nevernose Oct 2017 #8
jberryhill Oct 2017 #9
Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #5

Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:52 PM

1. Contacts with Russia

 

He lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials. He was covering up collusion with Russia, the central theme of the investigation.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:53 PM

2. He pled guilty ...

... to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian operatives.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:56 PM

3. His truthful story is

Who his Russian contacts were, who in the Trump administration knew what he was doing, and perhaps most damning of all, he apparently has been wearing a wire for the last three months.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:04 PM

4. He plead that the FBI that he communicated with a professor re Hillary emails in April

 

It was actually March. We have no idea what he really did. The idea of a plea is you plea to a lesser charge. He might have killed an FBI agent and then plead to this April/March email charge to beat the murder charge, for instance.

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:19 PM

6. Thats not accurate at all. You should read the charges:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/george-papadopoulos-charges-and-plea-deal/2253/

The timing is, indeed, mentioned. It’s not a “March/April” thing. That’s a mischaracterization. He lied about when the contact was by claiming to have made contacts with the Russian government BEFORE he was with the Trump campaign. It was before, during, and after.

He told the FBI it was some friendly email banter, hellos, maybe some anti-Hillary bullshitting. Instead, it was introductions to the FSB and Russian government, searching for a quid pro quo to hurt Hillary and help Trump. Not a conspiracy theory anymore: the guy admitted it in court.

(“Putin’s niece” sounds like such an obvious honeypot it’s painful anyone could fall for it. This guy would have donated to free the imprisoned King of Nigeria)

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:46 PM

7. My point is that is does not matter what he plead to, that is not what he did

 

Like when the nice trooper gives you a ticket for not signaling a lane change, when you were really doing 95mph. You gladly lie and plead guilty to that lane change to avoid doing time.

He plead to a base offense level 6, which is very basic. With little or no criminal history, the sentencing guideline is 0-6 months. By taking the plea, he should be looking at the 0 month option.

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 31, 2017, 12:14 AM

8. Theres an allocution

Go past the first page and the pro forma plea agreement, and the details of the government’s case are laid out. We know EXACTLY what he did. The link I gave you contains a ten page description of every detail of the crime. What he was charged with is wholly irellevant.

I’m sure there are additional charges they could have added, and probably crimes they left out entirely. They also don’t mention how they got their accurate information (warrants, taps, emails, etc.).

But the offense is way more than “he told the FBI he talked to the Russians in April and it was actually March.”

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 31, 2017, 01:16 AM

9. Not in this context, no

 

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:07 PM

5. Webster will be ver disappointed without Mr Papadopolous around.

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