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(13,868 posts)N/T
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)FoxNews = not(truth)
It doesn't get more nuanced or mysterious than that.
I can also tell you what Rush Limbaugh has to say about any given subject.
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Wiseman32218
(291 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)including SOME who are quite DANGEROUS.
That said, Fox has been blocked on my tv for more than 15 years. I appreciate that others bear the burdon of walking and reporting, but I simply CAN NOT do so.
lame54
(35,279 posts)bluepen
(620 posts)what the opposition is doing and saying?
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. - Sun Tzu
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)saying as they have the biggest audience in cable news.
bluepen
(620 posts)I wondered if that had anything to do with it as well.
I watch Fox very infrequently so I appreciate the info you shared.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)do everything we can to be aware of what the Repubs will be doing (and fox is their mouthpiece)
Wiseman32218
(291 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Docreed2003
(16,855 posts)Its easy in the bubble here on DU...when we go out into our RL the world becomes much more complex. How many of us work in places that have Fox News on all day? How many of us live and work around folks that consume Fox News as their authority for news choices?? We need to know what messages are being pushed out there so we know how to combat them in our daily lives with the people we interact with!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)But there's a whole lot wrong with creating links to FOX that increase their visibility in search engines which makes their news more visible and even makes them money.
Copy and paste text, repeat what's read, but page links and video links are not about knowing your enemy, it's feeding the enemy.
This is a fact of life on the Internet. Not my opinion.
I never need to know what FOX is doing or saying because I can imagine the worst and it wouldn't change my opinion either way. I know what they are.
I dont know if there are links involved in any of these posts. I should hope not.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)know that lies are being sold as truth to millions.
FOX NEWS should not be able to claim they are news unless they source their stories and prove their accuracy. It is a propaganda machine.
bdamomma
(63,822 posts)watch Fox, they insult my intelligence!!! State propaganda station, I won't even call it news.
I give those who watch kudos.
diva77
(7,639 posts)Foxs misinformation effect
Its not just the programming. Conservatives are more likely to seek out outlets that affirm their views
Chris Mooney, Alternet04.10.20125:00 AM
This article originally appeared on AlterNet. It is an excerpt from Chris Mooneys new book The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and Reality.
In June of last year, Jon Stewart went on air with Fox News Chris Wallace and started a major media controversy over the channels misinforming of its viewers. Who are the most consistently misinformed media viewers? Stewart asked Wallace. The most consistently misinformed? Fox, Fox viewers, consistently, every poll.
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Iraq War
In 2003, a survey by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland found widespread public misperceptions about the Iraq war. For instance, many Americans believed the U.S. had evidence that Saddam Husseins Iraq had been collaborating in some way with al-Qaida, or was involved in the 9-11 attacks; many also believed that the much touted weapons of mass destruction had been found in the country after the U.S. invasion, when they hadnt. But not everyone was equally misinformed: The extent of Americans misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news, PIPA reported. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions.
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Global Warming
At least two studies have documented that Fox News viewers are more misinformed about this subject.
In a late 2010 survey, Stanford University political scientist Jon Krosnick and visiting scholar Bo MacInnis found that more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists claims about global warming, with less trust in scientists, and with more belief that ameliorating global warming would hurt the U.S. economy. Frequent Fox viewers were less likely to say the Earths temperature has been rising and less likely to attribute this temperature increase to human activities. In fact, there was a 25 percentage point gap between the most frequent Fox News watchers (60 percent) and those who watch no Fox News (85 percent) in whether they think global warming is caused mostly by things people do or about equally by things people do and natural causes.
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many more misperceptions documented in this article - important to be aware of the damage their propaganda causes rather than just dismissing it
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They are also the rights main source of releasing propaganda, which is inline and often the same as the talking points. They have been out in front pushing Republicans message in real time.
I dont watch but do read some of their crap. Nothing wrong with understanding their messaging and game plan.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)to be able to counter the crap they pick up from Fox)
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)in our society today. If we are ever to turn things around we have to understand them
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)from Fox (especially if they are over 45 or so). Even Alex Jones and his ilk get ideas from Fox. Much of the anti-democrat talking points that a random Trumper or garden variety right winger will espouse will have come from Fox. Fox is given talking points by the Repubs, and they repeat these points as a mantra. Trump and his actions will follow very closely.
I have no idea why we wouldn't pay attention to them. My intention was to give everyone an idea just so we can be aware of the bullshit they are trying to spin and ideally counteract it and/or at least be prepared to respond when a coworker or Facebook contact repeats the Fox line. I don't post every single day about Fox; I don't think anyone here is "obsessed" with Fox. But I do think it's important to know what they are saying during major news events with major political implications like this one.
malaise
(268,856 posts)but it's not just DU - Fox doesn't repeat what's on the other stations while they repeat Fox crap lies.
Rachel Maddow has more watchers than Fox
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)that impacts the political discourse in this country in a major way? That effects friends and family? That seems odd to me. DU seems to me to be the place to point out and be prepared for these lies and their propaganda since it does have an unfortunately wide reach. I think that is just being realistic. I also repeated a tiny portion of one show. I didn't link to it or discuss every show or paraphrase hours of coverage. I was repeating the part that seemed to me to be important for us.
malaise
(268,856 posts)and I was not attacking you. I just don't get why that lying crap station gets so much attention.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)by increasing their Internet ratings through passing links which add financial support to their media empire is helping the cause of real journalism?
I do not.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)fun of him. I wish they wouldn't because it just drives up their viewership. I think it's useful , though to know what the enemy's saying.
malaise
(268,856 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I simply cannot stomach that channel.
malaise
(268,856 posts)by choice
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I just turn my music up.
Truly, I think theyre vile. Thats fantastic you dont have it.
I dont either where I live now.
LakeArenal
(28,812 posts)They have been saying it for decades.. Never watch. Never view the videos. Never switch it on..
Making me.... "willfully ignorant" I guess.
I tune in for things posted by malaise...
malaise
(268,856 posts)than malaise but like you I never ever watch Fox.
spanone
(135,815 posts)malaise
(268,856 posts)They disgust me
spanone
(135,815 posts)SJMULE
(193 posts)about how warped their narrative can get in the face of Facts. To each his own I guess. I am curious why you are curious.
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)Some of them are diehard Trump fans.
QED
(2,747 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)...as misguided as that something is. The lame-ass excuse is always some variant of "I need to know what the enemy is saying!!!" or some other such bullshit. And it is bullshit because I don't watch any cable news yet I somehow always find out what they are saying through Media Matters, TPM, or any other reputable blog or source that reports on that stuff. There's no reason anyone who is not one of those sources should be watching their bullshit, and DEFINITELY don't need to be posting breathlessly about it on here day in and day out. And that goes for Morning Joe even more so.
malaise
(268,856 posts)malaise
(268,856 posts)I can post what they are going to say without watching.
The same right-wing idiots show up on other channels, as well. They all say the same stupid things, given that they all work from the same basic playbook.
bluestarone
(16,894 posts)there tv's are set on that fucking channel (business's i mean tire change oil change buying car you)
underpants
(182,734 posts)All the cable and networks followed them repeatedly down rabbit holes. The big Papers did as well often.
malaise
(268,856 posts)and never will
underpants
(182,734 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)Don't watch them because I feel it's sexist, bigoted, racist, and nothing but propaganda. I see enough summaries on DU, Crooks & Liars, Raw Story and others. Have been reading those for years.
It's been a long-standing (amateur) scientific project of mine to try and understand the Republican mindset just for psychological relief. I ain't there yet, but continue to study. Fox and talk radio just feed bullshit to the established mindset daily, by the TON.
So long as several very shadowy right-wing billionaires continue to feed this beast, not much will change.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)but I appreciate those who can do so reporting to the rest of us what is being said.
PSPS
(13,587 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)I have internet, a Roku box, a digital antenna, and a $25 SlingTv subscription that gets me CNN. I have no interest in ever watching Fox and I only occasionally try to find MSNBC online now and then.
Mediumsizedhand
(531 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)And I hate what Fox News has done to the country. (Its not really news; its a right-wing talking nightlight.) Every day/week brings fake outrage, anger and fear. They spread hate and division, and then boldly say its all (everything) on the Democrats.
If anything, Im envious of that kind of mouthpiece. I wish Democrats had such an effective weapon in their arsenal. And as good as some of MSNBCs people are, it doesnt match it in terms of reach and influence. (Even if Rachels program has been doing well in the ratings.)
Most importantly, Rupert Murdoch has played a HUGE role in dividing America. Fox has really been pushing an alternate reality narrative since the last election. They are ignored at our own peril.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)I think that a lot of the reason that Fox is so successful is that conservatives tend to have a regard for authoritarianism and will subsume to the Borg.
Democrats (progressives) tend to be more geared to entropy.
Best quote from Will Rogers: I am not a member of an organized political party, I am a Democrat.
VOX
(22,976 posts)And I DESPISE authoritarianism!
dhol82
(9,352 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)But I surely refuse to feed them. Clicks are money.. and it gives rating credibility to misinformation.
ornotna
(10,798 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,730 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)If you want to disarm a political propaganda bomb, you first have to understand how it works, and what it's doing at present.
betsuni
(25,447 posts)Whatever.