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rateyes

(17,439 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:17 AM Nov 2017

When the fuck is the Democratic Party gonna put it's focus

on US, we, the PEOPLE of the United States of America? Every damned day all I hear from Democrats is Trump, Manafort, Page, Flynn, Hillary, Bernie, Elizabeth, Kamala, gripe gripe gripe gripe gripe gripe gripe gripe. Here I am right now griping about all the griping!!

When the fuck are we gonna start talking about jobs, wages, education, healthcare, infrastructure, peace, the planet...you know, the things that really MATTER every fucking day of the year?

Let Mueller do his job. Quit rehashing the fucking primaries. There is not one fucking politician that we elect who can fix what is wrong with America. Only WE THE PEOPLE can do that working together with one another. And we are not doing it.

This country is so fucked.

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When the fuck is the Democratic Party gonna put it's focus (Original Post) rateyes Nov 2017 OP
Amen. shanny Nov 2017 #1
No, you DO run against Trump but ALSO have a powerful affirmative message. Listen, LBM20 Nov 2017 #11
Running on fear works a lot better on the other side of the aisle. shanny Nov 2017 #17
Maybe we need to mobilize.... FarPoint Nov 2017 #2
Anything to get us proactive on solutions to real problems! rateyes Nov 2017 #3
instead of griping about griping get invovled with you local county democratic party organization beachbum bob Nov 2017 #4
I am not talking about local efforts. I am talking rateyes Nov 2017 #8
Totally true and I have been screaming this in my state. We SUCK at messaging. It is about JOBS!!! LBM20 Nov 2017 #12
It's more fun to re-hash the 2016 loss. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #5
Oh, bull frazzled Nov 2017 #6
YOU, a Democrat get email! What do the independents rateyes Nov 2017 #9
What's with with "YOU" and "we"? frazzled Nov 2017 #15
What I am saying is that we are preaching to rateyes Nov 2017 #18
Maybe youre just not listening frazzled Nov 2017 #20
Ok. Whatever. rateyes Nov 2017 #21
We have no power and it sure worked for the GOP to attack Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #7
My Democrats are busy fighting for issues like Healthcare, womens rights, and DREAMERS ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #10
Agree 100% doodsaq Nov 2017 #13
Can be a two pronged strategy. 1. Dem mission and plans 2. GOP treason nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #14
Somewhere deep inside the Democratic Party, they are making complex sophisticated plans for... Binkie The Clown Nov 2017 #16
Bingo! rateyes Nov 2017 #19
Maybe we need some new, highly paid consultants. The current ones aren't doing so well. jalan48 Nov 2017 #22
The primary fight threw us off-message LittleBlue Nov 2017 #23
 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
11. No, you DO run against Trump but ALSO have a powerful affirmative message. Listen,
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:57 AM
Nov 2017

in 2014 what was the Republican message that helped them win so big? It was "We are not Obama." That's it. No other substance. Of course we must attack Trump who is SO unpopular and attach him to the other Republicans BUT, yes, we also need a loud and clear affirmative message too on good paying JOBS JOBS JOBS, infrastructure, fair taxation, education, healthcare, foreign policy, etc.

You must do BOTH.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
17. Running on fear works a lot better on the other side of the aisle.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:46 PM
Nov 2017

Our voters are more motivated by hope.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
4. instead of griping about griping get invovled with you local county democratic party organization
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:36 AM
Nov 2017

thats where the action is....what democrats say in front of a microphone really doesn't matter at this point. Its all about mobilization and getting outstanding candidates running for every single office from dogcatcher to Senator....

rateyes

(17,439 posts)
8. I am not talking about local efforts. I am talking
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nov 2017

about messaging. The MSM when speaking of the Democratic Party has nothing to say about us but that we are divided over power issues. The fish rots from the head down. The Republicans are in a mess, and yet they still control the damned messaging because we suck at it.

With an asshole like Trump in office the Govenor's race in VA should be a damned cakewalk for the Dems. But the Republicans have convinced half the electorate that they will be better off economically with Republicans in power.

Carville was right back in the 90s when he said, "It's the economy, stupid!" We are terrible at showing that we are the ones who will boost the economy. People still vote their pocketbooks!

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
12. Totally true and I have been screaming this in my state. We SUCK at messaging. It is about JOBS!!!
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:59 AM
Nov 2017

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. Oh, bull
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:11 AM
Nov 2017

You’re talking about DU, not the Democratic leaders. I get email everyday from my Democratic senators as well as from the DCCC, DSCC, etc. Not a single one talks about Hillary or Bernie or Kamala. They’re all about policy issues: the dangers of the Republican tax plan, the need to address climate change and pass gun control legislation and protect immigrants.

Turn off the Internet and unplug from the infotainment gossip cable channels. Turn on C-Span and listen to members speak passionately about all the issues you claim they don’t talk about.

And stop blaming Democrats. They’re not the problem. Our insatiable lust for chitter chatter on tv over substance that is actually occurring is the problem. It’s a distraction, as is this thread.

rateyes

(17,439 posts)
9. YOU, a Democrat get email! What do the independents
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:50 AM
Nov 2017

and moderate republicans get in terms that speak to them about why they should choose us over the Republicans? We suck at messaging to the masses.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
15. What's with with "YOU" and "we"?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:15 AM
Nov 2017

If someone chooses to be an independent and/or not to communicate with Democratic legislators or donate to the party or a Democratic campaign, that's their choice. They don't have your email, so you don't get any. D'oh.

I don't get any emails from Republicans ... ever. (Well, one exception: when a Republican was atypically elected senator in my state for a single term before the populace realized what a mistake that was, I wrote him a protest letter about a particular upcoming vote, and then started getting newsletter emails—I pretty quickly unsubscribed). So the Republicans must suck equally at messaging the masses. They never communicate with me.

To get emails, you have to give yours out. If Independents don't bother to write their congressional representatives, then they won't get email.

All this complaining about the Democratic Party seems suspicious to me. And that's as much as I'll say about it.

rateyes

(17,439 posts)
18. What I am saying is that we are preaching to
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:42 PM
Nov 2017

the damned choir. We aren't getting any proactive messaging out to the masses.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
20. Maybe youre just not listening
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:50 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Or listening to the wrong things.
Sorry, but I'm not buying all this whining.

Demsrule86

(69,102 posts)
7. We have no power and it sure worked for the GOP to attack Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:12 AM
Nov 2017

The GOP owns it all. Talk is cheap because with the GOP in power, we can do nothing about any of the issues you raised. As for rehashing the primaries...if you are referring to the pushback over Brazile's book, it needs to be refuted as it is an attack on the DNC...which takes it out of any primary rehashing.

ismnotwasm

(42,088 posts)
10. My Democrats are busy fighting for issues like Healthcare, womens rights, and DREAMERS
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:54 AM
Nov 2017

As well as the others you mentioned. I’m guessing you live in an area without Democrats?

doodsaq

(120 posts)
13. Agree 100%
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:46 AM
Nov 2017

Reminds me of this article which described how Berlusconi was defeated...by focusing on the issues, not the person.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/opinion/the-right-way-to-resist-trump.html

I fear the Democratic party will never get their shit together as long as it's about individual politicians instead of the issues.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
16. Somewhere deep inside the Democratic Party, they are making complex sophisticated plans for...
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:29 AM
Nov 2017

... how to lose the next election. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is what we do best.,

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
23. The primary fight threw us off-message
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:01 PM
Nov 2017

We've never recovered. It was the last time we were able to discuss topics that impact Americans without distractions.

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